House of Commons Debates Same-Sex Marriage

[Stephania Incognita]

It isn't my opinion remember.

I wish it were possible to express myself without being banned.

[Fnordgasm 5]

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Can't wear mixed fabric clothing, either.

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

[Divair]

Can't wear mixed fabric clothing, either.

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

[Napkiraly]

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

I wouldn't hold your breath, mate.

[Fnordgasm 5]

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

The only way I see that happening is if it were another religion trying to enforce their beliefs on them. I'm sure they'll see it then. Until then I'll be satisfied that they're slowly losing ground and accept that their hypocrisy means at least they're not trying to stone people.

[Hevzane]

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

[Divair]

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

I wouldn't hold your breath, mate.

One can hope.

[Ceannairceach]

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

[Hevzane]

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

[Napkiraly]

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

Which still has the Old and New Testaments, I believe.

[Delvoir]

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

You've obviously never read the Bible thoroughly enough to know what you're talking about.

[Ovisterra]

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

But you follow the Bible, correct?

[TomKirk]

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

Then the Orthodox church is profoundly hypocritical.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Indeed. As Jesus was often wont to say about homosexuality, "......................................"

[Romalae]

I think gays should be allowed to access the same life-ruining institution as the rest of us.

[CVT Temp]

It isn't my opinion remember.

Yes it is. I hate when people try to hide their own opinions behind "God said so." Well, by saying "God said so." you're also implicitly saying "Everything god says is correct." which automatically implies that you agree with god. You can't disagree with someone you hold to be axiomatically correct.

Besides, neurologically, god's opinions are just your opinions anyway.

[Menassa]

I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

[Genivaria]

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

Do you support the abolition of slavery?

[Salandriagado]

(Image)

Is that an actual campaigning poster?

Because he looks both scary and hilarious at the same time.

You should have seen the parody versions.

[Stephania Incognita]

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

What about not one jot nor tittle passing from the law and so forth?

[Menassa]

Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

What about not one jot nor tittle passing from the law and so forth?

What about him coming to fulfill the law? ... which makes no sense.

Another way you can look at it is that the Law was never given to Christians....

Also, he told a rich man that the Law was not enough.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It isn't my opinion remember.

I wish it were possible to express myself without being banned.

Go and shout at a wall; it works for me when NSG gets too much.

[Grenartia]

I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

No, the Bible doesn't say it. See below.

I'm against it. I'm not homophobic, but Britain has been Christian for over 1700 years. I know, it's all civil rights and stuff, but to be honest, a Christian like me should not be supporting gay marriage. I can't believe David Cameron calls himself a Christian

Being Christian has nothing to do with opposing LGBT rights. It has everything to do with supporting them.

According to? [Please select from the options below]

If you're going to say Leviticus 18:22 or any other part of the OT

The Hebrew Bible contains the law for Jews, not for Christians

If you're going to cite Romans or any other NT quote relating to homosexuality

Any mentions to homosexuality being sinful were written in Paul's letters, well after Jesus left the Earth.

If the Son of God truly believed that homosexuality was so sinful, why was it never mentioned in any of the four editions of his biography (the Gospels)? Or for that matter in any other books in the New Testament?

Not to mention that Leviticus is such an anal retentive book anyways. I mean, if somebody's going to use it to tell me I shouldn't have gay sex, then they should at least have the common fucking decency to use it to tell me I shouldn't eat bacon, wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, or perform the environmentally-beneficial practice of crop rotation (if I were a farmer).

Also, I'd say that even Paul wasn't saying it was a sin. Given the fact that Paul made up the word arsenokoitai, instead of using the already existing Greek word for homosexuals.

[Menassa]

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

No, the Bible doesn't say it. See below.

Being Christian has nothing to do with opposing LGBT rights. It has everything to do with supporting them.



Not to mention that Leviticus is such an anal retentive book anyways. I mean, if somebody's going to use it to tell me I shouldn't have gay sex, then they should at least have the common fucking decency to use it to tell me I shouldn't eat bacon, wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, or perform the environmentally-beneficial practice of crop rotation (if I were a farmer).

Also, I'd say that even Paul wasn't saying it was a sin. Given the fact that Paul made up the word arsenokoitai, instead of using the already existing Greek word for homosexuals.

*proudest teacher moment ever*

[Tmutarakhan]

Also, I'd say that even Paul wasn't saying it was a sin. Given the fact that Paul made up the word arsenokoitai, instead of using the already existing Greek word for homosexuals.

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He wasn't making up the compound arseno-koitai "male-bedder" out of nothing: he was imitating the Septuagint translation of Leviticus. Leviticus says not to shakav "bed" a male, so the Septuagint unusually turns the Greek word for "bed" into a verb for purpose of translating this verse, and Paul is following that usage.