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If you were an MP in the Commons tonight, how would you vote?

Aye! Yes to same-sex marriage
224
84%
No! No to same-sex marriage
37
14%
Other
7
3%
 
Total votes : 268

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Postby Paper Mache » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:28 pm

is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

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Postby Socialist EU » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:30 pm

Souseiseki wrote:Responding to the news that 175 MPs voted against and a further 70 plus abstained, or were absent at Second Reading, Colin Hart, Campaign Director for Coalition for Marriage commented: “The scale of the opposition against the Government’s profoundly undemocratic plans is astonishing, and sends a clear message to the Prime Minister that he faces a lengthy and damaging battle to redefine marriage.

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Postby Slarvainian » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:33 pm

France and now the UK all in the last week. Finally firm strides being made for marriage equality.

Bravo Europe, bravo
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:34 pm

Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

No. They claim there is, but there isn't.
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Postby Slarvainian » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:38 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

No. They claim there is, but there isn't.

Besides for the odd person claiming it to not be natural. No, no there isn't. Even the natural theory doesn't hold up because there is evidence that a number of animals do participate in homosexual activity. There was a story done by the young Turks about gay fish a few months ago.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:56 pm

Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:39 pm

The merciless prism of equality wishes to reduce us to grey nothings.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:03 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

No. They claim there is, but there isn't.


Hell, even if you're a Christian, there isn't.
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Postby Everbeek » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:14 am

Slarvainian wrote:France and now the UK all in the last week. Finally firm strides being made for marriage equality.

Bravo Europe, bravo
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Bravo Europe, in the sense that The Netherlands, Belgium and Spain have had it for a decade.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:17 am

Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

Secular homophobia.

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Postby Tagmatium » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:51 am

Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."

These people really want to cling on to their bigotry.
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Postby Avenio » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:02 am

Anollasia wrote:Oh, I thought this was the Canadian House of Commons...nevermind...


Thankfully, similarly to in Britain, same-sex marriage in Canada is such a 'settled issue' that actively re-opening the debate as a party policy would probably send the current majority Tory government spiralling off into a ditch, whereupon it would roll feebly over and burst into flames.

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Postby Suicune » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:22 am

Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."


How the hell do these people get elected?
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Postby Tagmatium » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:33 am

Suicune wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."

How the hell do these people get elected?

By constituencies that have similar views, I'd imagine.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:35 am

Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?


To not lose votes.
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Postby Davao and Mati » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:44 am

The Kingdom Itself supports Britain for that kind of law it is because it could provide freedom to marry and freedom to love and also Homophobia is a destructive form of Bullying
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Postby Poorisolation » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:45 am

Blouman Empire wrote:
Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?


To not lose votes.


No the reason that gay-marriage is a threat to marriage in the traditional sense is that as soon as it has wound its way through the Lords and become law there will be a rash of divorces among campaigners against gay marriage as they or their partners or both rush off to marry the same sex person of their dreams.

It really ought to be obvious :p
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Davao and Mati wrote:The Kingdom Itself supports Britain for that kind of law it is because it could provide freedom to marry and freedom to love and also Homophobia is a destructive form of Bullying
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Postby Cabra West » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:58 am

Souseiseki wrote:...
He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

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So we should only be concerned with equality if it doesn't conflict with tradition?
And if inequality is traditional, we should just shut up an accept it?
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Postby Slarvainian » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:00 am

Everbeek wrote:
Slarvainian wrote:France and now the UK all in the last week. Finally firm strides being made for marriage equality.

Bravo Europe, bravo
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Bravo Europe, in the sense that The Netherlands, Belgium and Spain have had it for a decade.


I was aware. But France and the UK are the ex colonial powers and still are some of the major powers in Europe. Symbolically it represents a bigger step.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:01 am

"Mr cameron, the french are legalizing gay marriage."
"Mr prime minister, we must not allow a gay marriage gap!"
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Postby Afalia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:14 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:"Mr cameron, the french are legalizing gay marriage."
"Mr prime minister, we must not allow a gay marriage gap!"


:lol: :clap:

That was excellent.

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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:13 am

Paper Mache wrote:is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

Sexism.

Remember that traditional marriage is a gendered hierarchy; gay marriage disrupts that. If two men marry, then how will we know which one is supposed to stay home and clean things??? If two women marry, how will we know which one of them "wears the pants"???

It also undermines the traditionalist narrative that men and women are bound together out of dependence. This is sometimes referred to as "complimentarianism," and basically is the idea that men are innately incapable of some things and women are innately incapable of other things and therefore a man MUST have a woman-partner and a woman MUST have a man-partner. (Of course there are plenty of heterosexuals who disprove this mythology, but gay couples really put the nail in the coffin.)

Two men making a life together, keeping a happy home, doing their own laundry, nurturing children, etc., prove that men CAN clean up after themselves and be tender caregivers. Two women making a life together, paying their bills, fixing their own cars, being beautiful for each other and not for the benefit of a male viewer, etc., prove that women CAN support themselves and protect themselves. So when sexists try to insist that Men Just Are one way and Women Just Are another way, gay couples are rather a problem.

There are more related reasons, like the motivation to keep women pregnant and occupied with childcare in order to keep them busy and out of the way, but most of that stuff is just offshoots of these general principles.
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Postby Scholencia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The merciless prism of equality wishes to reduce us to grey nothings.

(Image)

LOOK AT IT.
A nice, diverse beam of rainbows going in and GREYYYYY coming out.
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Or is it a nice uniform beam of light being turned into a gay rainbow. Either way, it's absolutelyfabulous terrible.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:17 am

Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."

Mr. Leigh, you are a bigot and a git.
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