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by Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:18 am
by Vladisvok Destino » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:20 am
Individuality-ness wrote:Now tell me how many people who don't pay attention to the News posts or the forums will know that they can opt out? How many new players will know that they can opt out of recruitment spam?
Individuality-ness wrote:I don't think it's right. It's reasonable to expect moving from GCR > UCR means that you stop getting recruitment TGs. That's basically a nation not consenting to be spammed with recruitment TGs from one region or another.
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Why don't we default this "Receive recruitment TGs in user-created regions" to off and/or leave it to regional administration to turn it on if they damn well please? I guarantee you there will be a lot of furious people TGing and posting about the sudden spamfest of recruiting TGs only to find out they could have turned off the spam themselves.
Olthar wrote:Sanctaria wrote:You can select not to receive any via the new TG system.
And if I had never seen this thread, I likely wouldn't have learned of that bit of information. I don't see how this is automatically no longer a problem. By the fact that this thread only has a few hundred views, I can confidently say that not everyone has seen it, and not everyone knows about this ability. Many of them also likely don't want to be bombarded by TGs and will be suddenly blindsided by them. Receiving recruitment TGs should be opt-in, not opt-out.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:20 am
by Unibot III » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:22 am
Cerian Quilor wrote:Most doesn't remove all recruitment. It limits how many recruitments you get in a given timespan.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Tramiar » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:23 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Also, absolutely fucking lol at admin turning this game into pay for success if we're going to be charged money to send telegrams.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.
by Gest » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:23 am
[violet] wrote:I completely agree with that philosophy, and I can promise you that if this turns out to be the case, we'll change it. The idea is absolutely not to make you need to pay for stuff to compete as a region.
by Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:24 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Given just how many recruitment telegrams I get *ALREADY* in UCRs from people ignoring the rules (after a 3 week login I generally clean up about 1 telegram per 10 puppets and only bother reporting people that should know better), I absolutely shudder to think how many recruitment telegrams I'd get on every single one of my puppets if it became legal.
Also, absolutely fucking lol at admin turning this game into pay for success if we're going to be charged money to send telegrams.
by Tredania » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:27 am
Gest wrote:[violet] wrote:I completely agree with that philosophy, and I can promise you that if this turns out to be the case, we'll change it. The idea is absolutely not to make you need to pay for stuff to compete as a region.
Do we really need a trial balloon? When all it takes is 3 dollars to target the largest UCR, built over 10 years, I think it's obvious what the result will be.
by 95X » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:30 am
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
by Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:36 am
Vladisvok Destino wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Now tell me how many people who don't pay attention to the News posts or the forums will know that they can opt out? How many new players will know that they can opt out of recruitment spam?
How will players who don't pay attention to the news posts or the forums know that recruitment TGs outside the GCRs are illegal currently? How many new players will know that they can report recruitment spam?
If players have managed to figure out that much, it's stupid to suggest they won't figure out the new TG system.
Vladisvok Destino wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:I don't think it's right. It's reasonable to expect moving from GCR > UCR means that you stop getting recruitment TGs. That's basically a nation not consenting to be spammed with recruitment TGs from one region or another.
Why is it reasonable? Because you're an older player who is familiar with the rules. How would a new player know that this is reasonable?
by Sichuan Pepper » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:36 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:38 am
Individuality-ness wrote:Vladisvok Destino wrote:How will players who don't pay attention to the news posts or the forums know that recruitment TGs outside the GCRs are illegal currently? How many new players will know that they can report recruitment spam?
If players have managed to figure out that much, it's stupid to suggest they won't figure out the new TG system.
I haven't seen how it's structured, but if the controls to block recruitment TGs are hidden somewhere in a tab, it's going to be harder. Furthermore, not all new players are going to figure it out by reading the rules because many of them won't read them - hell, we still get threads at least once a month (if not once every other week) from some newbie who didn't read the FAQ or any of the stickies regarding posting images on the forums or how to use signatures or why the hell are they being told off for WA multying when they logged into their WA nation from a shared school computer or a friend's house.Vladisvok Destino wrote:Why is it reasonable? Because you're an older player who is familiar with the rules. How would a new player know that this is reasonable?
If you're assuming that everyone is going to read the rules and whatnot, they'll find out that way and move.
If you're assuming that they won't, then under the current rules they're going to move to a new region and find that they're not being bombarded by recruitment TGs anymore. Or they'll post a question on the RMB, or on the forums asking about this, and someone will tell them to move, and they will.
by JURISDICTIONS » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:43 am
Takaram wrote:Irony. Rule 4 prevents a repeal based on Rule 4 violations, meaning that Rule 4 does not comply with Rule 4. It should be struck down.
by Communist Eraser » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:49 am
Unibot III wrote:Communist Eraser wrote:
Sometime else saw that. If we are willing to go with this system I propose:
Newly created nations (Feeders etc) start with 'None' and slowly go to "Most". Once a nation moves to a UCR it jumps to "Most" slowly going to "None". This resets to "Most"->"None" again if a nation jumps between different UCRs. The nation of course could override and manually set their own preference at any time.
We just need want time and a chance to have try and integrate the nation first, for a while before opening it up again.
If "Most" removes 'recruitment' and only 'recruitment', then I think it should fall back to "Some", so we still have the Miscellaneous and Region filter available unless someone intentionally turns it off. But I'd like to see invites beyond regional recruitment to fit under Miscellaneous -- ultimately, in the past the Moderators have had a pretty wide definition for "Recruitment" though.
by [violet] » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:58 am
by The Republic of Lanos » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:58 am
[violet] wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Now tell me how many people who don't pay attention to the News posts or the forums will know that they can opt out? How many new players will know that they can opt out of recruitment spam?
This is a question about the interface. I think it's reasonably easy for people to see they can block recruitment TGs. We want nations to know they have this power. But you can judge for yourself when it goes live.
by Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:00 am
[violet] wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Now tell me how many people who don't pay attention to the News posts or the forums will know that they can opt out? How many new players will know that they can opt out of recruitment spam?
This is a question about the interface. I think it's reasonably easy for people to see they can block recruitment TGs. We want nations to know they have this power. But you can judge for yourself when it goes live.
by [violet] » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:05 am
Gest wrote:[violet] wrote:I completely agree with that philosophy, and I can promise you that if this turns out to be the case, we'll change it. The idea is absolutely not to make you need to pay for stuff to compete as a region.
Do we really need a trial balloon? When all it takes is 3 dollars to target the largest UCR, built over 10 years, I think it's obvious what the result will be.
by Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:06 am
[violet] wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:Now tell me how many people who don't pay attention to the News posts or the forums will know that they can opt out? How many new players will know that they can opt out of recruitment spam?
This is a question about the interface. I think it's reasonably easy for people to see they can block recruitment TGs. We want nations to know they have this power. But you can judge for yourself when it goes live.
by Cerian Quilor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:07 am
by Sichuan Pepper » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:07 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by [violet] » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:09 am
Individuality-ness wrote:[violet] wrote:This is a question about the interface. I think it's reasonably easy for people to see they can block recruitment TGs. We want nations to know they have this power. But you can judge for yourself when it goes live.
I hope so, but granted, many newbies don't actually know the rules and don't read the stickies.
by Cromarty » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:13 am
Cerian Quilor wrote:There's a difference between breaking the rules, and being well....Cromarty...
<Koth>all sexual orientations must unite under the relative sexiness of madjack
by Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:16 am
[violet] wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:I hope so, but granted, many newbies don't actually know the rules and don't read the stickies.
I totally agree. I certainly don't expect people to discover this option by reading FAQs. Again, I'd just say to wait and take a look for yourself at how obvious it is.
by Ananke II » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:16 am
[violet] wrote:I don't doubt that nations in Player-Created Regions who haven't had any recruitment TGs for a long time will start getting a number of them--in some regions, maybe a lot. But I don't think that means good regions will be "gutted," like some people here are saying. That implies either that the residents are idiots, swayed by whichever TG they last read, or that they're unhappy in their region and only staying because they don't know about a better one. I don't believe the former and I don't think the latter deserves protection, because those nations aren't staying in NS anyway.
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