If it has an exhaust, it can be clogged.
If it has wheels, they can be fucked with.
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by Alowwvia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:14 pm
by Osaea » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:15 pm
by Alowwvia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:16 pm
Osaea wrote:Whatever tank is manufactured, it'll be easier, and much cheaper, to manufacture a one-use ATGM that can kill it. At least, that's the golden rule.
by Moriskov » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:31 pm
by Discordant Schism » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:42 pm
by Amerikians » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:48 pm
Discordant Schism wrote:What kind of warfare and terrain was the M60A3 made for? It seems like a great tank, but for Cold War tank slugging matches? I'm a much smaller nation than any of my neighbors, and the terrain is pretty much Afghanistan.
Note: Not sand dune after sand dune. Really quite like this.
by The Kievan People » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:18 pm
Discordant Schism wrote:What kind of warfare and terrain was the M60A3 made for? It seems like a great tank, but for Cold War tank slugging matches? I'm a much smaller nation than any of my neighbors, and the terrain is pretty much Afghanistan.
Note: Not sand dune after sand dune. Really quite like this.
by Samozaryadnyastan » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:27 pm
The Kievan People wrote:Discordant Schism wrote:What kind of warfare and terrain was the M60A3 made for? It seems like a great tank, but for Cold War tank slugging matches? I'm a much smaller nation than any of my neighbors, and the terrain is pretty much Afghanistan.
Note: Not sand dune after sand dune. Really quite like this.
Tanks work fine in Afghanistan.
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by The Kievan People » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:32 pm
by Samozaryadnyastan » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:34 pm
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by The Kievan People » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:46 pm
Purpelia wrote:So a big gunned TD might be a solution to these and allow you to use more practical tanks for everything else a tank is supposed to do like supporting infantry.
That's how my PMT concept for the Ymir works out. (Although it is an abortive result of such a project but lets not nitpick)
Purpelia wrote:Flexibility. A gun armed TD doubles as a good assault gun and stuff. A missile tank is just a one trick pony.
by Kouralia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:53 pm
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:The Kievan People wrote:
You are correct many militaries were unable to anticipate they might need AC. In a desert. Sadly.
Given that most of these tanks were intended to be used during or following a nuclear exchange, I find it odd that AC was not considered in the original design process.
by Samozaryadnyastan » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:55 pm
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Eastern Slavia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:42 pm
by Purpelia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:43 pm
The Kievan People wrote:Purpelia wrote:So a big gunned TD might be a solution to these and allow you to use more practical tanks for everything else a tank is supposed to do like supporting infantry.
That's how my PMT concept for the Ymir works out. (Although it is an abortive result of such a project but lets not nitpick)Purpelia wrote:Flexibility. A gun armed TD doubles as a good assault gun and stuff. A missile tank is just a one trick pony.
Now you are just going in circles.
by The Noble Wolf » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:46 pm
by The Kievan People » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:27 pm
Purpelia wrote:No I am not. Just because this thing is not intended to be used as a MBT but as a TD does not mean it should not be flexible enough to do other things besides its primary function. It just won't be doing the same things a MBT would. Just like it is too heavy and slow to be used as an MBT effectively the huge gun lets it be useful in ways conventional MBT's just aren't and in ways that a missile tank can't be.
Specialization is good. But overspecialization is for insects.
by Purpelia » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:28 pm
The Kievan People wrote:Purpelia wrote:No I am not. Just because this thing is not intended to be used as a MBT but as a TD does not mean it should not be flexible enough to do other things besides its primary function. It just won't be doing the same things a MBT would. Just like it is too heavy and slow to be used as an MBT effectively the huge gun lets it be useful in ways conventional MBT's just aren't and in ways that a missile tank can't be.
Specialization is good. But overspecialization is for insects.
Not an arguement against missile armed TDs. Quite the opposite in fact.
by Spirit of Hope » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:31 pm
Purpelia wrote:The Kievan People wrote:
Not an arguement against missile armed TDs. Quite the opposite in fact.
Are you reading what I am saying?
To sum my words up once more for you. Specialization is all well and good. But overspecialization is a bad thing. And a missile armed TD is overspecialized compared to a gun armed one that can also fire missiles. As the Soviets have found out time and time again with their various missile tank experiments.
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by San-Silvacian » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:02 pm
by The Republic of Lanos » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:07 pm
by The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:12 pm
by The Ctan » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:14 pm
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Can I get away with my tank's armor stopping 152mm shells from the front, 140mm shells from the sides, 120mm from the rear, 155mm artillery direct hits, top-attack ATGMs, and all current ATGMs?
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