Easy for you to say! D:
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by Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:10 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:11 pm
Zweite Alaje wrote:Bottle wrote:Why should anybody "defend themselves" to you?
You seem to be confusing anger with contempt, Zweite. People aren't angry at you, they are looking at you the same way they'd look at someone who thought that dropping his pants and pooping on the floor was a convincing reply during a debate.
Your posts are giving us an opportunity to expose and discuss some of the more common points of ignorance when it comes to trans issues, but honestly any old bigot could fill your role. You've given no reason why anybody should care what you think.
Puffing our your feathers and strutting around cawing "Come at me, bro!!!" is just pitiful.
I'm attacking their belief system.
Contempt and anger are the same to me.
I'm not "just any bigot", you will never find anyone like me, my ideological thought processes are unique as well as my manner of evaluating issues. If I feel I'm without question defeated in an arguement, I will concede. But I do care what you think, because you are incorrect.
I'm confrontational, that should be evident by now. I view debates as battles.
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:12 pm
by The Emerald Dawn » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:12 pm
by Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm
Salandriagado wrote:Zweite Alaje wrote:
I'm attacking their belief system.
Contempt and anger are the same to me.
I'm not "just any bigot", you will never find anyone like me, my ideological thought processes are unique as well as my manner of evaluating issues. If I feel I'm without question defeated in an arguement, I will concede. But I do care what you think, because you are incorrect.
I'm confrontational, that should be evident by now. I view debates as battles.
No, you are exactly "just any bigot".
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.
You are just somebody who doesn't know what they hell they're talking about and insists on trying to force their petty bigotry on everybody else.
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm
by Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:19 pm
Bottle wrote:Tlaceceyaya wrote:Please, no one start attacking me and yelling at me and stuff. I just have a question.
Sex is determined by whether or not you have a y-chromosome. Males have y-chromosomes, females have x-chromosomes.
So, since a male has an x chromosome, I can understand male to female transsexuality, but where's the "brain circuitry" come from for female to male transsexuality?
It's actually a lot more complicated at the genetic level. You can have individuals who are XY, yet who are physiologically female, because what really matters is the activation of a particular gene locus called SRY. If you have a Y chromosome but your SRY does not activate, then you will remain female (all fetuses start out as female) and you will look like a perfectly normal girl in terms of how your body develops.
You also need to remember that relatively little information is contained on the Y chromosome. The vast majority of coding for "brain circuitry" is not on the Y chromosome (indeed, I'm not sure there is any coding for "brain circuitry" contained on the Y at all, but this is not my area of expertise). You have 46 chromosomes and only one of them is the Y, after all...small wonder that there is so very little difference between "male brains" and "female brains"!
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:20 pm
by Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:21 pm
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.
That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.
You are just somebody who doesn't know what they hell they're talking about and insists on trying to force their petty bigotry on everybody else.
Prove I don't know what I'm talking about. If I suddenly didn't feel like being a male anymore, could I simply start acting like a woman and legitly be a woman?
by Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:21 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:23 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Zweite Alaje wrote:
I seriously doubt anyone will associate the MLP fandom with my views, Ostro. I'm extremely atypical for a brony, especially considering I'm a fascistic brony. As always, I appreciate your comradery as a fellow syndicalist.
Yeah, don't worry.
We're all aware Alaje is the only gender-obsessed one-trick pony in this particular part of Equestria.
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by The Truth and Light » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 pm
Zweite Alaje wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Yeah, don't worry.
We're all aware Alaje is the only gender-obsessed one-trick pony in this particular part of Equestria.
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Maybe you could participate in this discussion DI. You're trans as well, correct? How about you describe to me what it is like?
I have an IRL friend that is either trans or questioning. She's bi, but she talks alot about wanting to be male. And she still refers to herself as a she still so IDK?
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 pm
by Immoren » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:27 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Zottistan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:29 pm
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:30 pm
Zottistan wrote:Ok, so regardless of whether or not teans people are the sex they want to be and the gender they feel they are, what's to stop them making the change? Regardless of whether or not they become the sex they want to be, if it makes them happier, why shouldn't they be allowed to alter themselves in any way they see fit? If I decide I want to lop off my left hand, why shouldn't I be allowed to?
by Zweite Alaje » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:34 pm
You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake.
That's such a fascist thing to say. No really, you sound exactly like someone from a certain wannabe fascist cesspool I know.
Prove I don't know what I'm talking about. If I suddenly didn't feel like being a male anymore, could I simply start acting like a woman and legitly be a woman?
If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.
by Zottistan » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:36 pm
Olthar wrote:Zottistan wrote:Ok, so regardless of whether or not teans people are the sex they want to be and the gender they feel they are, what's to stop them making the change? Regardless of whether or not they become the sex they want to be, if it makes them happier, why shouldn't they be allowed to alter themselves in any way they see fit? If I decide I want to lop off my left hand, why shouldn't I be allowed to?
If Hollywood movie stars can get new tits, I should be able to, as well.
by Olthar » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:38 pm
by The Truth and Light » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:39 pm
Zweite Alaje wrote:That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.
by Salandriagado » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:42 pm
If you believe yourself to be so, yes. Gender is an entirely social/psychological construct.
That is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Ok, maybe I'm not explaining my views as very well. I do recognize there is a masculine/feminine spectrum and that a person can fall anywhere on it. I for example "identify" as male, but appearently I'm sort of androgynous, because in online chatrooms and on the phone people assume I'm female a disturbingly high percentage of the time. However, I don't understand why people think that "acting" masculine or feminine makes you a male or female.
Gender identity refers to a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender. This is generally described as one's private sense of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of the acceptance of membership into a category of people: male or female.[1] All societies have a set of gender categories that can serve as the basis of the formation of a social identity in relation to other members of society. In most societies, there is a basic division between gender attributes assigned to males and females. In all societies, however, some individuals do not identify with some (or all) of the aspects of gender that are assigned to their biological sex.
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