Elfen High 2 (OOC 3, Closed)

[Nude East Ireland]

"Let's see, who should I put on my permanent tattoo? Hmm. I know! The guy who shot me in the ass and hated me!"

This was between Arcs 1 and 2. Yes, James had fuzzy feelings for Damien. That time he shot him in the eye? When Alt!James left, James cried his eyes out.

That's... kind of sweet, actually.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

This was between Arcs 1 and 2. Yes, James had fuzzy feelings for Damien. That time he shot him in the eye? When Alt!James left, James cried his eyes out.

That's... kind of sweet, actually.

Thank you. <3

This is what I mean though. When people ask, whether directly or implied, I can explain. If they don't, the only other options are to say nothing or give a massive info-dump, and people hate info-dumps.

[Mavorpen]

That's... kind of sweet, actually.

Thank you. <3

And then they kissed.

[Nationstatelandsville]

...I'm sorry?

I mean, I never gave any indication of thinking that, because I don't, I just don't see how re-affirming what we already know is really that important. I didn't know you cared that much, so I apologize.

Here's the thing: Every time I try to do anything to expand on James' character, unless I'm RPing with TIE nobody else gives a fuck. If it's perceived as minor it's ignored. If it's major (black bullets, Firefly, killing Damien) it's seen as stupid and horrible. So I'm forced to either drop something nobody likes and go back to not developing James at all or keep going with something nobody likes. Either way, inevitably the call is made to just kill off James already because he sucks.

Why has nobody asked why James tried to hide in the DH universe instead of facing his fuck-ups at home? Why did nobody react to bullets that tear out your soul, or ask how he came about them? Why has nobody bothered to force him to spill the beans on what he did before and during his career? All of that is important, but because it doesn't directly affect anyone else and is perceived as "minor", nobody wants to.

And then we inevitably do a fucking timeskip and those questions are no longer relevant, or we're suddenly involved in a crisis that serves as a convenient "we're too busy" excuse. And when I try to have James interact with everyone else he's shoved to the side anyway, conveniently ensuring that every time I bitch about my character being ignored someone can turn around and say "this isn't James: The Roleplay, we all got our own shit to deal with". Whether IC or OOC, if someone would fucking ask I could give the relevant information.

"Let's see, who should I put on my permanent tattoo? Hmm. I know! The guy who shot me in the ass and hated me!"

This was between Arcs 1 and 2. Yes, James had fuzzy feelings for Damien. That time he shot him in the eye? When Alt!James left, James cried his eyes out.

Because we have no idea what the hell you want?

It isn't our responsibility to look out for what you want us to do. If you want someone to talk to, ask. Yes, we're going to be busy sometimes, because that's how it works. Yes, sometimes no one will want to, because that's how it works.

But it isn't a conspiracy against you. It's just how the very nature of this game works. I'm sorry that there are rarely opportunities to talk to James or you aren't always very clear - this isn't a novel, this isn't linear or organized, this place doesn't even make any logical sense whatsoever. That's just how it is.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

That's... kind of sweet, actually.

Thank you. <3

This is what I mean though. When people ask, whether directly or implied, I can explain. If they don't, the only other options are to say nothing or give a massive info-dump, and people hate info-dumps.

So as a frank summary you want people to ask your character stuff about his past.

The frank thing is that most of them don't care. Most of the time, a character has had to go up to another one and ask what's wrong. The exceptions were Ivy with Calliel and Lewis, in which cases all characters could tell she was visibly depressed. I had Michael tell James up front how to get people to talk to him and get his issues acknowledged.

So, sure, we could have characters talk to James on his past. Nat and I pretty much utterly forgot about James' tattoo and that's our own bad. But James as a character is not one who most characters care for or want to talk with unless he drops his facade and talks to another character first. He's an unpleasant character on the surface. Basically, picture someone going up to Pierre and asking "Hey man, what's wrong?" So James needs to make the first step to talking to a character and making a link so he has someone who gives a damn about him instead of borderline hating him. One obvious one to talk to is Richard. So have Firefly or James or whatever go up to Richard in EH and chat with him.

And obviously if we don't like something, we'll call it stupid. Don't be angry at criticism, welcome it. I see Nat criticising Crowley's backstory all the time and I appreciate it. Of course, I also will tell some people- Ende- to try and back up their criticism.

And also, everything Nat just said in that post up there.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

So if that's cleared up, people should post.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Thank you. <3

This is what I mean though. When people ask, whether directly or implied, I can explain. If they don't, the only other options are to say nothing or give a massive info-dump, and people hate info-dumps.

So as a frank summary you want people to ask your character stuff about his past.

The frank thing is that most of them don't care. Most of the time, a character has had to go up to another one and ask what's wrong. The exceptions were Ivy with Calliel and Lewis, in which cases all characters could tell she was visibly depressed. I had Michael tell James up front how to get people to talk to him and get his issues acknowledged.

So, sure, we could have characters talk to James on his past. Nat and I pretty much utterly forgot about James' tattoo and that's our own bad. But James as a character is not one who most characters care for or want to talk with unless he drops his facade and talks to another character first. He's an unpleasant character on the surface. Basically, picture someone going up to Pierre and asking "Hey man, what's wrong?" So James needs to make the first step to talking to a character and making a link so he has someone who gives a damn about him instead of borderline hating him. One obvious one to talk to is Richard. So have Firefly or James or whatever go up to Richard in EH and chat with him.

And obviously if we don't like something, we'll call it stupid. Don't be angry at criticism, welcome it. I see Nat criticising Crowley's backstory all the time and I appreciate it. Of course, I also will tell some people- Ende- to try and back up their criticism.

And also, everything Nat just said in that post up there.

The reason we discredit Ende's opinions is fairly simple - he has them.

I wonder what Hell's policy on sarcasm is.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

Thank you. <3

This is what I mean though. When people ask, whether directly or implied, I can explain. If they don't, the only other options are to say nothing or give a massive info-dump, and people hate info-dumps.

So as a frank summary you want people to ask your character stuff about his past.

The frank thing is that most of them don't care. Most of the time, a character has had to go up to another one and ask what's wrong. The exceptions were Ivy with Calliel and Lewis, in which cases all characters could tell she was visibly depressed. I had Michael tell James up front how to get people to talk to him and get his issues acknowledged.

So, sure, we could have characters talk to James on his past. Nat and I pretty much utterly forgot about James' tattoo and that's our own bad. But James as a character is not one who most characters care for or want to talk with unless he drops his facade and talks to another character first. He's an unpleasant character on the surface. Basically, picture someone going up to Pierre and asking "Hey man, what's wrong?" So James needs to make the first step to talking to a character and making a link so he has someone who gives a damn about him instead of borderline hating him. One obvious one to talk to is Richard. So have Firefly or James or whatever go up to Richard in EH and chat with him.

And obviously if we don't like something, we'll call it stupid. Don't be angry at criticism, welcome it. I see Nat criticising Crowley's backstory all the time and I appreciate it. Of course, I also will tell some people- Ende- to try and back up their criticism.

And also, everything Nat just said in that post up there.

Problem with that: You then immediately turned around and shot down the only opportunity to do so, and now James has been replaced by a separate personality that only cares about killing things.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

So as a frank summary you want people to ask your character stuff about his past.

The frank thing is that most of them don't care. Most of the time, a character has had to go up to another one and ask what's wrong. The exceptions were Ivy with Calliel and Lewis, in which cases all characters could tell she was visibly depressed. I had Michael tell James up front how to get people to talk to him and get his issues acknowledged.

So, sure, we could have characters talk to James on his past. Nat and I pretty much utterly forgot about James' tattoo and that's our own bad. But James as a character is not one who most characters care for or want to talk with unless he drops his facade and talks to another character first. He's an unpleasant character on the surface. Basically, picture someone going up to Pierre and asking "Hey man, what's wrong?" So James needs to make the first step to talking to a character and making a link so he has someone who gives a damn about him instead of borderline hating him. One obvious one to talk to is Richard. So have Firefly or James or whatever go up to Richard in EH and chat with him.

And obviously if we don't like something, we'll call it stupid. Don't be angry at criticism, welcome it. I see Nat criticising Crowley's backstory all the time and I appreciate it. Of course, I also will tell some people- Ende- to try and back up their criticism.

And also, everything Nat just said in that post up there.

Problem with that: You then immediately turned around and shot down the only opportunity to do so, and now James has been replaced by a separate personality that only cares about killing things.

I have no idea what event you're talking about here.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

Problem with that: You then immediately turned around and shot down the only opportunity to do so, and now James has been replaced by a separate personality that only cares about killing things.

I have no idea what event you're talking about here.

"I'll spill everything when it's time to choose between me and Minh."
"NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE LOL"

You straight-up presented that to me, only to take it away right when I was going to do as you suggested. Then you had the marriage. Then Jade died and you revealed that before giving me any chance to do it anyway.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I have no idea what event you're talking about here.

"I'll spill everything when it's time to choose between me and Minh."
"NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE LOL"

You straight-up presented that to me, only to take it away right when I was going to do as you suggested. Then you had the marriage. Then Jade died and you revealed that before giving me any chance to do it anyway.

That was because I listened to everyone else's criticism and realised there was no point. Then I figured that James' own statement that Minh was getting it on a silver platter was actually yours, so I figured you had listened to the same criticism. Then I was fine with dropping it. As for Jade dying, I didn't know James was going to reveal that or that you wanted him to. So I just had Sanchez show up to talk to him afterwards so you could do that stuff.

But there's no point debating that stuff now. Do you want me to retcon Firefly or do you want to keep him in?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

"There's greatness in you." Apollo noted, smoking a pipe and glancing at Crowley. "But not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes." Apollo shook his head and chuckled. "There's going to come a moment when you realise you're wrong about that. And then you're going to get yourself and everyone under your command killed." He leaned in toward the wizard.

Crowley leaned back in his own chair, not particularly caring. "The sword, Apollo. Hand it over." he said simply.

"Oh, Aleister Crowley. Used to be sweet and innocent, look at you now."

"I grew up. Now give me the sword." Crowley said, his voice steely.

"What, Gram? One of the four great swords older than this universe? What makes you think I have it?"

"Enough riddles. I should be glad you aren't reciting poetry at me." Crowley said, rubbing his head.

"I don't have the sword. But I do know where you can get it." And then Apollo told him.

Crowley sighed, leaning back in his chair. "That'll be hard to get." he noted.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

"I'll spill everything when it's time to choose between me and Minh."
"NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE LOL"

You straight-up presented that to me, only to take it away right when I was going to do as you suggested. Then you had the marriage. Then Jade died and you revealed that before giving me any chance to do it anyway.

That was because I listened to everyone else's criticism and realised there was no point. Then I figured that James' own statement that Minh was getting it on a silver platter was actually yours, so I figured you had listened to the same criticism. Then I was fine with dropping it. As for Jade dying, I didn't know James was going to reveal that or that you wanted him to. So I just had Sanchez show up to talk to him afterwards so you could do that stuff.

But there's no point debating that stuff now. Do you want me to retcon Firefly or do you want to keep him in?

Never assume that what James says is my viewpoint. Half the time it isn't. And while I'll accept you didn't expect Firefly, which was intentional, you had to expect that James would immediately go and kill shit.

As for Firefly, fuck it, I'm staying the course with him whether people like it or not.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

That was because I listened to everyone else's criticism and realised there was no point. Then I figured that James' own statement that Minh was getting it on a silver platter was actually yours, so I figured you had listened to the same criticism. Then I was fine with dropping it. As for Jade dying, I didn't know James was going to reveal that or that you wanted him to. So I just had Sanchez show up to talk to him afterwards so you could do that stuff.

But there's no point debating that stuff now. Do you want me to retcon Firefly or do you want to keep him in?

Never assume that what James says is my viewpoint. Half the time it isn't. And while I'll accept you didn't expect Firefly, which was intentional, you had to expect that James would immediately go and kill shit.

As for Firefly, fuck it, I'm staying the course with him whether people like it or not.

I did indeed expect James would kill shit and therefore at that time I did not expect that you would care to have anyone talk with him, so I made no effort.

Alright, stick with Firefly, but expect criticism.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

"There's greatness in you." Apollo noted, smoking a pipe and glancing at Crowley. "But not an ounce of humility. You think that you can't make mistakes." Apollo shook his head and chuckled. "There's going to come a moment when you realise you're wrong about that. And then you're going to get yourself and everyone under your command killed." He leaned in toward the wizard.

Crowley leaned back in his own chair, not particularly caring. "The sword, Apollo. Hand it over." he said simply.

"Oh, Aleister Crowley. Used to be sweet and innocent, look at you now."

"I grew up. Now give me the sword." Crowley said, his voice steely.

"What, Gram? One of the four great swords older than this universe? What makes you think I have it?"

"Enough riddles. I should be glad you aren't reciting poetry at me." Crowley said, rubbing his head.

"I don't have the sword. But I do know where you can get it." And then Apollo told him.

Crowley sighed, leaning back in his chair. "That'll be hard to get." he noted.

I will add that Apollo is a god of prophecy.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

The conclusion to all this is that Nat should post.

[Nationstatelandsville]

The conclusion to all this is that Nat should post.

Nat is busy procrastinating, fuck you.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

On a different note, who has a character that isn't doing anything so I can give them shit to do?

[Mavorpen]

The conclusion to all this is that Nat should post.

Nat is busy procrastinating, fuck you.

Two words together that do not compute.

[Ende]

I won't be posting for a week or two.

It's like I'm a fucking lightning rod.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I won't be posting for a week or two.

It's like I'm a fucking lightning rod.

What's wrong?

[Nude East Ireland]

I won't be posting for a week or two.

It's like I'm a fucking lightning rod.

What's wrong?

Hit by lightning.

Every damn time I tell 'em, but nobody listens.

[Mavorpen]

What's wrong?

Hit by lightning.

Every damn time I tell 'em, but nobody listens.

I interpreted it as he was fucked by lightning.

[Nude East Ireland]

Hit by lightning.

Every damn time I tell 'em, but nobody listens.

I interpreted it as he was fucked by lightning.

James is the only Lightningophile in this RP.

[Constaniana]

On a different note, who has a character that isn't doing anything so I can give them shit to do?

The Mormon.