Stalinism is not communism.

[CTALNH]

I don't read anything that is pro-communist.

Intellectual laziness always contributes so much to a topic.

You may say whatever you want about me but take note that I at least took a glance on what he wrote....

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

But the First was brought into being by Marx and Engels. Ergo, by refusing to adopt its fundamental principle, you're not a Marxist and not a communist and shouldn't claim to be.

No not really I am just moving on from 1860 to well now.....

Well I got to live with you and you with me for the rest of our pitiful lives....
At least I will fight for the cause...

No you won't, you'll fight for reactionary and backwards goals long since proved to be utter failures, rooted in a fundamental contempt for the proletarian lives that you falsely claim to represent and advance.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Then your opinion is meaningless as it is based on a stubborn and close-minded refusal to consider evidence that contradicts your opinion.

The whole point of the OP is that Stalinism fundamentally goes against major communist principles and is therefore not communist.

Do I need to read up on Nazism to have a valid negative opinion of it too?

Yes. At least a bit.

[CTALNH]

No not really I am just moving on from 1860 to well now.....

Well I got to live with you and you with me for the rest of our pitiful lives....
At least I will fight for the cause...

No you won't, you'll fight for reactionary and backwards goals long since proved to be utter failures, rooted in a fundamental contempt for the proletarian lives that you falsely claim to represent and advance.

Okay (sarcasm)at least I will do something in my pitiful live and try to change society by whatever means necessary...

[Divair]

Then your opinion is meaningless as it is based on a stubborn and close-minded refusal to consider evidence that contradicts your opinion.

The whole point of the OP is that Stalinism fundamentally goes against major communist principles and is therefore not communist.

Do I need to read up on Nazism to have a valid negative opinion of it too?

Damn right you have to.

[Antiliberalbis]

Do I need to read up on Nazism to disprove of it too?

It'd be useful to familiarise yourself with its principles in order to deconstruct it, yes.

That's ridiculous. All i'm doing then is entertaining ideas that are inherently broken and even immoral. It's just like bring a flat-earther to debate a Geologist like he actually has a valid point to make. It's intellectually insulting.

[Harrgar]

No you won't, you'll fight for reactionary and backwards goals long since proved to be utter failures, rooted in a fundamental contempt for the proletarian lives that you falsely claim to represent and advance.

Okay (sarcasm)at least I will do something in my pitiful live and try to change society by whatever means necessary...

For a system that is doomed to fail.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It'd be useful to familiarise yourself with its principles in order to deconstruct it, yes.

That's ridiculous. All i'm doing then is entertaining ideas that are inherently broken and even immoral. It's just like bring a flat-earther to debate a Geologist like he actually has a valid point to make. It's intellectually insulting.

You've fundamentally misrepresented my point. I said you have to familiarise yourself with its principles.

Familiarisation doesn't imply agreeing with them or treating them as valid, it involves acquiring an understanding of what those principles are so as to better be able to rebut them.

What's intellectually insulting is you refusing to read an OP because it conflicts with your view and then making points already dealt with in the OP because you don't want to read it or read up on why you're wrong.

[CTALNH]

Okay (sarcasm)at least I will do something in my pitiful live and try to change society by whatever means necessary...

For a system that is doomed to fail.

Hey its like saying USA will survive to see the next century....

[CTALNH]

That's ridiculous. All i'm doing then is entertaining ideas that are inherently broken and even immoral. It's just like bring a flat-earther to debate a Geologist like he actually has a valid point to make. It's intellectually insulting.

You've fundamentally misrepresented my point. I said you have to familiarise yourself with its principles.

Familiarisation doesn't imply agreeing with them or treating them as valid, it involves acquiring an understanding of what those principles are so as to better be able to rebut them.

What's intellectually insulting is you refusing to read an OP because it conflicts with your view and then making points already dealt with in the OP because you don't want to read it or read up on why you're wrong.

You know his trolling you right?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

For a system that is doomed to fail.

Hey its like saying USA will survive to see the next century....

Capitalism is doomed to fail. So is Stalinism. Your point being?

[Zaras]

Intellectual laziness always contributes so much to a topic.

You may say whatever you want about me but take note that I at least took a glance on what he wrote....

And proceeded to ignore it and go on your silly way. Not quite an achievement if you ask me.

[CTALNH]

Hey its like saying USA will survive to see the next century....

Capitalism is doomed to fail. So is Stalinism. Your point being?

Your not helping it fail though....
Also stop talking to the other guy his trolling you....

[CTALNH]

You may say whatever you want about me but take note that I at least took a glance on what he wrote....

And proceeded to ignore it and go on your silly way. Not quite an achievement if you ask me.

Shit I am human....

[Antiliberalbis]

You've fundamentally misrepresented my point. I said you have to familiarise yourself with its principles.

Familiarisation doesn't imply agreeing with them or treating them as valid, it involves acquiring an understanding of what those principles are so as to better be able to rebut them.

What's intellectually insulting is you refusing to read an OP because it conflicts with your view and then making points already dealt with in the OP because you don't want to read it or read up on why you're wrong.

You know his trolling you right?

I love how people delude themselves into thinking that anyone that disagrees with them must be trolling.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Capitalism is doomed to fail. So is Stalinism. Your point being?

Your not helping it fail though....

How is presenting a realistic and free alternative to capitalism, as opposed to a worse tyranny and even less freedom for workers, not helping it fail?

Also, last time I checked, you weren't exactly an active international revolutionary either.

Also stop talking to the other guy his trolling you....

I don't give a damn, and I don't think he is.

You know his trolling you right?

I love how people delude themselves into thinking that anyone that disagrees with them must be trolling.

Funnily enough, I didn't.

[CTALNH]

You know his trolling you right?

I love how people delude themselves into thinking that anyone that disagrees with them must be trolling.

Either your trolling or you are ignorant....

Your name being Antiliberalbis doesn't help either...

I will ignore you now...

[Zaras]

And proceeded to ignore it and go on your silly way. Not quite an achievement if you ask me.

Shit I am human....

Really? All those posts calling for blood made me think otherwise.

[Zaras]

I will ignore you now...

Ignore this entire thread, that way we can get somewhere.

[Harrgar]

For a system that is doomed to fail.

Hey its like saying USA will survive to see the next century....

It lasted longer than Soviet Russia...

[Zaras]

Hey its like saying USA will survive to see the next century....

It lasted longer than Soviet Russia...

Because Soviet Russia was run by the kind of totalitarian absolute morons at economics who make Reagan look like J.K. Galbraith.

[Antiliberalbis]

Your not helping it fail though....

How is presenting a realistic and free alternative to capitalism, as opposed to a worse tyranny and even less freedom for workers, not helping it fail?

Also, last time I checked, you weren't exactly an active international revolutionary either.

Also stop talking to the other guy his trolling you....

I don't give a damn, and I don't think he is.

I love how people delude themselves into thinking that anyone that disagrees with them must be trolling.

Funnily enough, I didn't.

I know you didn't, which is why I quoted him specifically. Back to your last post, though. I already know the fundementals of communism. There is no money, state, or class, and everyone is happy. That can't be done one day, which is why you need extreme control of government to fade all of that out. Slalin tried that and he failed because the ideology he loved so much was not in line with human nature and the power he gained ultimately led to him killing 20 million people. If any ideology leads to killing people whether it is nazism or communism, then it is not worthy of any real debate for the "perfect" society. I'll entertain liberals and socialism in debates because they actually have sound principles that could work. Communism had its chance and proved itself to be an inherent evil. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably failed every history class they took.

[CTALNH]

I will ignore you now...

Ignore this entire thread, that way we can get somewhere.

Oh no maybe one day you people will understand that revolution isn't a walk in the park and decide to become true Marxist Leninists...

[New England and The Maritimes]

Wow a whole tread about me...

I was hoping you'd turn up.

No, it's more of a thread about how your beliefs are no more communist than Ronald Reagan's.

This here is true.

[CTALNH]

It lasted longer than Soviet Russia...

Because Soviet Russia was run by the kind of totalitarian absolute morons at economics who make Reagan look like J.K. Galbraith.

So the complete industrialization of the Soviet Union in 10 years didn't happen?