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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:19 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
Jamie Anumia wrote:I'm pretty sure it breaks Rule 3, 4 and Rule 4(d) at least.

It has an operative clause.

The operative clause also fulfills the spirit of Rule 4.

I don't see how 4(d) applies.

My mistake. It does have an operative clause.
4(d) does apply, since the whole proposal is based on something which does not exist in NS.
Anyway, the fact remains the proposal is spammy.
Edit: It's now been removed, so further discussion is probably redundant.
Last edited by Jamie Anumia on Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:21 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:Edit: It's now been removed, so further discussion is probably redundant.

For being in a foreign language, which implies it was legal otherwise.
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:42 am

Nope. There was no attempt at an argument, and it was pure spam.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Frattastan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:53 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: liossalde_1354304687
Condemn Free Socialist Canada
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation
Nominee: Free Socialist Canada
Proposed by: Liossalde

Description: RECOGNIZING that the the Federation has been a delegate in very difficult moments.

CLARIFYING that it is one large-very unique nation,know for it's economic domination

OBSERVING that 5.391 billion popullation are fighting for this recognition and they enjoy a lot of civil and political freedoms

ACKNOWLEDGING that it helps smaller nations to be indacteed in the Communist International League

BELIEVING to be one of the greatest nations to ever registered in this awesome game

THEREFORE I commend The Federation of Free Socialist Canada


Refers to the game as a game ("this awesome game"). Rule 4(b).
Reads as if it was the player who is speaking ("*I* commend"). Rule 4(c).
Condemnations can't commend. Rule 3.
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Postby San Leggera » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:46 am

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vie ... 1354345982
Repeal "Condemn Macedon"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal
Resolution: SC#1
Proposed by: GaryGarrett

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: This item should be repealed because thing nation has not done anything worthy of being commended for.

No operative clause.
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Postby Frattastan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:51 am

Rule 2(d) too. Does not address the content of the resolution it is repealing.
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Postby Frattastan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:44 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: reagan_island_1354559839

Commend Virgo
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation
Nominee: Virgo
Proposed by: Reagan Island

Description: TAKING NOTICE that Virgo, having been elected as delegate of Gargantuan, stablized the region during a time of great division and unrest,

APPLAUDING the creation of a working government that gives proper representation of all inhabitants of Gargantuan,

INSPIRED by the shifting of power from the delegate to the people of the region, and

CONGRATULATING the ability to stay above the fray of corruption,

The Security Council hereby commends Virgo for his selfless sacrifice and service to Gargantuan.

Co-Authored by Rhemaland


"His selfless sacrifice". In SC language, nations are not players and cannot be referred to as players. Rule 4(a).
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Postby The Great Destruction » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:59 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: the_pacistien_republic_1354632930

Repeal "Condemn The Black Riders"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation

Category: Repeal
Resolution: SC#91
Proposed by: The Pacistien Republic


Description: WA Security Council Resolution #91: Condemn The Black Riders shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Recognizing that the Black Riders have continually spread their influence of goodwill and togetherness.--really?

Amazed at how many, do not even try to negotiate with the region before, during, or after a raid.--How many what? ...raiders? Whose point are you trying to make?

Understands that even though The Black Riders are called an Anti-WA establishment, more than ¾’s of their conquered regions do.--Do? Do what?

Realizes that The Black Riders have slowed down with their invasions.Not to sound butt hurt or anything but we got raided by them this week.

Accepts the fact that Region of reunited Muslim states has been liberated and is open to join.Ummm. you point being?

Herby Liberates The Black Riders--Rule violation


The only actual rules violation is that the operative clause tries to do something other than what a repeal can do. Other than that it is just childish syntactical mistakes that make the proposal almost unreadable.

Also lies, they are all lies :p
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Firstaria » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:09 pm

Description: The Republic of THE PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES has been slandering many nation's names. It has not only destroyed communities, nut it has also tried to wreak havoc among to nations and regions negotiating peace. We must either put an end to his nation or teach him a lesson. Please support my argument. Condemning him may not be the answer but if no one helps him it can only be necessary.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 78 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours



I'm pretty sure that, other to be someone who doesn't know this forum, violates rule 4.
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:02 am

Category: Commendation

Nominee: United States of CBHS

Proposed by: Mother Soviet Union Russia

Description: We should commend the United States of CBHS for bringing together whole nations and making them better in terms of our society. Since its creation a few weeks ago, it has grown to be a powerhouse region. We continue to grow and we should be recognized for all the advancements we have made in the nations involved.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 77 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 23 hours


R3 - no operative clause.

EDIT: Oddly enough, I think all the "obvious" R4 violations are legal. They can all be interpreted as SC-IC, from my view.
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Postby Frattastan » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:44 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: new_slifer_1354884348

Condemn Chinamerica
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation
Nominee: Chinamerica
Proposed by: New Slifer

Description: Members of the Security Council,

COMMITTING itself to the efforts of maintaining peace and security around the world.

RECOGNIZING that The United Socialist States of Chinamerica is continuing to stir up drama in regions such as the Greater German Reich and the Coalition of Governments by establishing puppet states such as The Federal Republic of North Slifer, a deliberate violation of the sovereignty of The Principality of New Slifer.

ALSO RECOGNIZING that this is the second proposal to be submitted to the Security Council, with the first proposal failing to gain more than the support of twelve regional delegates.

DISGUSTED that The United Socialist States of Chinamerica is encouraging other nations in the same reason to invade sovereign territory and accusing our regional delegate of not representing the interests of our region, while at the same time bugging our regional delegate to over-represent Chinamerica's own interests, which include the oppressing of it's own citizens political rights and other various freedoms.

HEREBY CONDEMNS The United Socialist States of Chinamerica.


"Accusing our regional delegate [...] bugging our regional delegate". Proposals cannot read as if the author was speaking for themselves (the player/the ambassador/the nation). Rule 4(c).
The second pre-ambulatory clause seem to address a moderation issue (malicious impersonation) solely with a Condemnation. Rule 2(c)?
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:03 pm

Frattastan wrote:"Accusing our regional delegate [...] bugging our regional delegate". Proposals cannot read as if the author was speaking for themselves (the player/the ambassador/the nation). Rule 4(c).
The second pre-ambulatory clause seem to address a moderation issue (malicious impersonation) solely with a Condemnation. Rule 2(c)?

Correct on both counts.

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:17 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: dbrickishaw_island_1354932390

Condemn Samlandia the better
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Samlandia the better

Proposed by: DBrickishaw Island

Description: They have banned an innocent country out of the region Hunterland. They made false accusations about what the country did and they should be condemned for this. If they are not punished they will keep doing this to other countries. They are also trying to convince other WA delegates and founders to ban innocent countries in other regions. They are trying to start an uprising and we need to stop it. Do the right thing and condemn them.

Approvals: 1 (Conoga)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 78 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 19 hours

No operative clause. Also breaks 4(b) I believe?

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:35 am

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: marquette_of_pacific_1354982275

Condemn The International Communist Union
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: The International Communist Union

Proposed by: Marquette of Pacific

Description: BELIEVING that Communism is not a functional form of government in our modern society and oppresses its people

NOTING that this region believes that Capitalism is a "terminal disease".

CONCERNED that this region wishes to impose Communism on democratic nations. "The antidote is communism! Administer through socialism! WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!"

APPALLED that the WA delegate of this region's motto is "To victory and nothing less!"

DEEPLY CONCERNED that civil rights and political freedoms are not valued enough.

WORRIED that the International Communist Union will take advantage of its seat in the World Assembly and use that to justify its beliefs.

WANTING to prevent Communism from spreading violently

NOTING that the Founder's motto is “WORKERS, STUDENTS, OPPRESSED PEOPLES: UNITE AND FIGHT!”

HEREBY condemning the International Communist Union.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 79 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

Rule 4(e) violation.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:42 am

Rule 4(e) only really applies in a couple of cases - to "real-world ideologies" - those like Nazism, Fabian Socialism, Peronism etc. that reference real-world people or similar (and Nazism is so common in the game, we're lax on that too), or if a proposal was solely based on an ideology (Condemns Examplistan for being Communist) without explaining what that was.

We may do a clean-up of the rules at some point, to clarify this.

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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:46 am

Sedgistan wrote:Rule 4(e) only really applies in a couple of cases - to "real-world ideologies" - those like Nazism, Fabian Socialism, Peronism etc. that reference real-world people or similar (and Nazism is so common in the game, we're lax on that too), or if a proposal was solely based on an ideology (Condemns Examplistan for being Communist) without explaining what that was.

We may do a clean-up of the rules at some point, to clarify this.

Thanks for clearing that up Sedge.
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Postby The Great Destruction » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:50 pm

I think you should outlaw real world ideologies all together. Players can make up an unrelated name and if the want to base it on something real, so be it...like Violetism.

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Jamie Anumia
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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:04 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: the_shaloming_union_of_the_boss_hankuma_1355028950

Condemn DBrickishaw Island
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: DBrickishaw Island

Proposed by: The Shaloming Union of the Boss Hankuma

Description: Noting, this country has given its citizens almost no political freedoms as well as civil rights

Concerning, it has been making false facts about other countries hoping to condemn them,

Disappointed, that they would be allowed to accuse another country of "raping animals to death" falsely for their own pleasure

Appalled, that two countries have approved this

Wanting, to prevent such vulgar and false accusations to happen again

Hereby, condemning DBrickishaw Island

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 79 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

It seems to possibly be plagiarism. So 2(a) violation?

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:10 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:<snip>

Also tit-for-tat.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:57 am

SkyDip nailed it on the head.

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:16 pm

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Jakkea

Proposed by: The Pan-Slavic Union

Description: SHOCKED that The Kingdom of Jakkea has violated Mordor by impersonating its administration.

NOTING that while impersonating the administration of Mordor, The Kingdom of Jakkea sent threats of war to The Allied States of The Pan-Slavic Union via telegram.

KEEPING IN MIND that in its threats of war that were sent to The Allied States of The Pan-Slavic Union, The Kingdom of Jakkea acted with hostility by demanding the immediate surrender of The Allied States of The Pan-Slavic Union, and it's region, Slavia.

CONCERNED that as a result of The Kingdom of Jakkea making false threats of war, a state of emergency was established in Slavia, sparking much havoc and panic among the members of Slavia, and a political meltdown in the region.

TROUBLED that The Kingdom of Jakkea has committed the violation in an attempt to "troll" Slavia, which shows a juvenile and troublesome attitude.

DEEPLY CONCERNED that The Kingdom of Jakkea's mischief perhaps might have been targeted towards Slavia because of racial discrimination, seeing how Jakkea has made it clear that it is a nation of Albanian origin.

REMEMBERING that this sort of attitude is unacceptable and highly unworthy of the World Assembly.

HEREBY Condemns Jakkea.

Approvals: 1 (Filadelfia)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 78 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 5 hours

Sounds like an R2 violation to me.

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Postby Aksun » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:39 am

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=211239

2c

I don't see how condemning a region based on "puppets" should be worth it when it can be fixed.

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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:45 am

Aksun wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=211239

2c

I don't see how condemning a region based on "puppets" should be worth it when it can be fixed.

...so what exactly do you think is illegal there? It's been in queue for three days - don't you think the moderators would have pulled it before it reached quorum?

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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:32 am

Plus, it has a thread to debate it in. Use that.

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Postby The Great Destruction » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:52 pm

SECURITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL
ID: brandonsbane_1355260546

Condemn St Brandenburgz
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.
 

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: St Brandenburgz

Proposed by: Brandonsbane

Description: St Brandenburgz has repeatedly abused its citizens
Giving very little civil rights or political freedoms.
Building up weapons of mass destruction as well as chemical and biological weapons.
St Brandenburgz needs to be stopped from its reign of tyranny.


No operative clause.

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