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Postby Verzia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 pm

What is your opinion on gun control?

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Gun control is hitting your target?
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:00 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Gun control is hitting your target?


She probably has shooting pains just thinking about it.

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Postby Verzia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:03 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Gun control is hitting your target?


She probably has shooting pains just thinking about it.


She? I'm a boy!

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Postby Krazniastan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:08 pm

I am against most forms of gun control. A lot of it is unnecessary, unenforceable, or so screwed up its not even funny. . .

I do think you should have safety and basic marksmanship training before purchasing one however. (And I do sell guns, a lot of people don't have the basics. . .)
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Postby F1-Insanity » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:10 pm

The higher your accuracy is, the better your gun control is :)
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Postby Bafuria » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:11 pm

Too late for America to have gun control.
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Postby Third Spanish States » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:14 pm

I'd make laws to enforce it strictly, were I a dictator. Together with conscience, it is one of the safeguards against tyranny. Unfortunately most of the world has the former being stamped out through subtle means as masses of alienated people grow. An armed cattle is no different from an unarmed free man.

Also, gun control helps criminals a lot unless we're talking of a Orwellian Police State here.
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Postby Neu California » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:15 pm

Krazniastan wrote:I am against most forms of gun control. A lot of it is unnecessary, unenforceable, or so screwed up its not even funny. . .

I do think you should have safety and basic marksmanship training before purchasing one however. (And I do sell guns, a lot of people don't have the basics. . .)

Why not background checks, or psychological evaluations?

Surely you don't want violent/sexual criminals or people who are mentally unstable to have guns?

The above as well as strict limitations on automatic/sniper rifles pretty much sums up my views. There is no real reason why anyone needs those. Not for hunting (unless you're ging for utter overkill) or self defense.
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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:16 pm

My uncle owns a gun store, I work there, so my opinion might be a little biased.
I believe anyone 18 years or older should be allowed to buy a gun, and get a permit. Even felons should be able to, as long as their crimes didn't previously involve firearms or violence.

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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:16 pm

Looser gun control leads to less crime. Strong gun control increases violent crime, and it leaves the playing field unbalanced with no way to make it fair. Criminals don't use registered guns anyways. Increasing the hoops you have to jump through to get a gun just hurts law-abiding citizens.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:17 pm

Gun control is putting two bullets through the same hole at 25 meters.

However, I assume that's not what you mean. What you mean is victim disarmament.

Look at Chicago, Detroit, and Washington DC. Some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. Yet they have some of the highest murder rates in the country.
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Postby Roten » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:17 pm

Verzia wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:Gun control is hitting your target?


She probably has shooting pains just thinking about it.


She? I'm a boy!

As far as you know.

Anyway, gun control is only successful when the government does not kid itself on the purpose of it. Gun control is primarily intended to make sure the government is far more powerful than its citizens. This was the case after the unification of Japan, where the Shogun made sure that noone would be militarialy powerful enough to depose him.

Usually, gun-control activists want to reduce crime. In this venue, Gun control is doomed to failure. Just because someone has a gun does not mean that they can't hurt other people. A gas station could be robbed just as easily if the thief holds up a machete to the attendant's neck instead of pointing a gun at his face (which is why the UK is looking at banning those too). Ban swords, then it's knives. Ban Knives, then it's rocks. Ban rocks, then it's hands. A human can kill another human without any guns or tools.

Then, the argument goes, if criminals did not have guns (and this is assuming a successful gun-control campaign), they would cause less damage, in cases such as school shootings. Since most school shootings usually have a headline like "shooter with automatic weapon fires it at crowded middle-school hallway, injures 2", I think that this is not a problem. If he spent as much time training with any other weapon as he did his guns, we have nothing to worry about. In the case of the Gas-station attendant, if the attendant also has a gun, then it is better than if neither has one, and the criminal, having intent beforehand, has trained to kill with no weapon at all.
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Postby Neu California » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:18 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:Looser gun control leads to less crime. Strong gun control increases violent crime, and it leaves the playing field unbalanced with no way to make it fair.

[citation needed]
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:20 pm

Neu California wrote:Why not background checks, or psychological evaluations?

Surely you don't want violent/sexual criminals or people who are mentally unstable to have guns?

The above as well as strict limitations on automatic/sniper rifles pretty much sums up my views. There is no real reason why anyone needs those. Not for hunting (unless you're ging for utter overkill) or self defense.


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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:20 pm

Neu California wrote:The above as well as strict limitations on automatic/sniper rifles pretty much sums up my views. There is no real reason why anyone needs those. Not for hunting (unless you're ging for utter overkill) or self defense.


Please define what you consider automatic and sniper rifles.

The basic definition of a sniper rifle is pretty much a rifle with a scope. By that definition, you just out lawwed almost every single hunting rifle.
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Postby Neu California » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:21 pm

Brogavia wrote:Gun control is putting two bullets through the same hole at 25 meters.

However, I assume that's not what you mean. What you mean is victim disarmament.

Look at Chicago, Detroit, and Washington DC. Some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. Yet they have some of the highest murder rates in the country.

Yeah, blame a single factor on everything without even thinking of the possibility that other factors may exist.
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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:21 pm

[citation needed]

You have the internet, bro. Read up. The amount of information out there on this is astounding, and me trying to summarize it will just be a waste of everyones time.
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Postby New World Liberty » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:21 pm

Marinetus wrote:My uncle owns a gun store, I work there, so my opinion might be a little biased.
I believe anyone 18 years or older should be allowed to buy a gun, and get a permit. Even felons should be able to, as long as their crimes didn't previously involve firearms or violence.



i agree 18, a permit and even felons of non-violent crimes. but i think you should also have to take some kind of course or class or an evaluation to make sure your competent.

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:21 pm

An automatic sniper rifle, never heard of any such thing.
There are two kinds of sniper rifles, semi-automatic and bolt-action (At least that I sell).

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Postby F1-Insanity » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:21 pm

Brogavia wrote:
Neu California wrote:The above as well as strict limitations on automatic/sniper rifles pretty much sums up my views. There is no real reason why anyone needs those. Not for hunting (unless you're ging for utter overkill) or self defense.


Please define what you consider automatic and sniper rifles.

The basic definition of a sniper rifle is pretty much a rifle with a scope. By that definition, you just out lawwed almost every single hunting rifle.


I think that's his idea... :eyebrow:
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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:23 pm

New World Liberty wrote:[...]
i agree 18, a permit and even felons of non-violent crimes. but i think you should also have to take some kind of course or class or an evaluation to make sure your competent.

At the shop we have a three week course for $50 a week. It teaches you to use a variety of weapons, but most guns are pretty self-explanatory; point and click.

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:23 pm

Roten wrote:
Usually, gun-control activists want to reduce crime. In this venue, Gun control is doomed to failure. Just because someone has a gun does not mean that they can't hurt other people. A gas station could be robbed just as easily if the thief holds up a machete to the attendant's neck instead of pointing a gun at his face (which is why the UK is looking at banning those too). Ban swords, then it's knives. Ban Knives, then it's rocks. Ban rocks, then it's hands. A human can kill another human without any guns or tools.


Yeah the UK will surely ban knives. :palm:

Knives and hands play an important role in U.K society whereas Gun do not.
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Postby Neu California » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:23 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:
[citation needed]

You have the internet, bro. Read up. The amount of information out there on this is astounding, and me trying to summarize it will just be a waste of everyones time.

:palm: That's not how it works. You make the claim, you back it up. Simple rule of internet debate.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:24 pm

Neu California wrote:
Brogavia wrote:Gun control is putting two bullets through the same hole at 25 meters.

However, I assume that's not what you mean. What you mean is victim disarmament.

Look at Chicago, Detroit, and Washington DC. Some of the toughest gun control laws in the country. Yet they have some of the highest murder rates in the country.

Yeah, blame a single factor on everything without even thinking of the possibility that other factors may exist.


In Chicago they outlawed handguns. yet people still have them, and still aquire them. If gun control works, how is it possible that these cities have gun crime?
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