With a Wing and A Prayer...Yer Fired. Blame Obama & Voters

[Tagmatium]

No, I mean liberals who believe government funded jobs expand the economy, and are not just another form of being on the dole.

So clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Nah, they kill brown people, so it's OK.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No, I mean liberals who believe government funded jobs expand the economy, and are not just another form of being on the dole.

So clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Or the Post Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, CDC, all those Dept of Agriculture field workers etc etc

All who spend their earned money...all which is a part of the economy. It cracks me up that people say stupid shit like gov funded jobs do nothing for the economy blah blah brain wank blah blah blah this and expect to be taken seriously.

[Khadgar]

So clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Or the Post Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, CDC, all those Dept of Agriculture field workers etc etc

All who spend their earned money...all which is a part of the economy. It cracks me up that people say stupid shit like gov funded jobs do nothing for the economy blah blah brain wank blah blah blah this and expect to be taken seriously.

I truly look forward to his rebuttal.

[Ravenvalles]

If I were a Christian I'd consider mr.Murray to be a blasphemer of the worst kind.

As a christian, I don't consider it to be blaspheme, I do consider it to be in bad taste. Typically, public prayers are suspect, and more about personal agendas than true prayers. If one truly believes in an omniscient, and omnipotent god then this prayer has no value, all unfolds as per God's plan. It only works as a personal prayer between a man of faith and his god.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Or the Post Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, CDC, all those Dept of Agriculture field workers etc etc

All who spend their earned money...all which is a part of the economy. It cracks me up that people say stupid shit like gov funded jobs do nothing for the economy blah blah brain wank blah blah blah this and expect to be taken seriously.

I truly look forward to his rebuttal.

I'm not holding my breath...

[Ravenvalles]

So clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Or the Post Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, CDC, all those Dept of Agriculture field workers etc etc

All who spend their earned money...all which is a part of the economy. It cracks me up that people say stupid shit like gov funded jobs do nothing for the economy blah blah brain wank blah blah blah this and expect to be taken seriously.

Some things are best handled on the national level. But, like it or not, the military, FBI etc. only, (I hate to say only, because they are vitally important) contribute to the stability of the economic environment. They do not directly create products, or service those products. All monies that flow through the government, have a negative multiplier effect. This includes everything they do for us. whether it is protecting the borders, or building a highway. Consider that in the 1990's in the state of Washington, there were four administrators or social workers for every person receiving assistance. That is not a public assistance program, it is a jobs program. Those administrators, and social workers would have been better employed in the private sector where the wealth of the community is created.

Just an opinion, and I did not have to use one "blah".

[Ifreann]

Don't you mean the conservatives who want a better economy, but then directly increase the unemployment rate?

No, I mean liberals who believe government funded jobs expand the economy, and are not just another form of being on the dole.

I must have some very strange ideas about what being on the dole involves. Or working for the government.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Or the Post Office, FBI, CIA, DARPA, CDC, all those Dept of Agriculture field workers etc etc

All who spend their earned money...all which is a part of the economy. It cracks me up that people say stupid shit like gov funded jobs do nothing for the economy blah blah brain wank blah blah blah this and expect to be taken seriously.

Some things are best handled on the national level. But, like it or not, the military, FBI etc. only, (I hate to say only, because they are vitally important) contribute to the stability of the economic environment. They do not directly create products, or service those products. All monies that flow through the government, have a negative multiplier effect. This includes everything they do for us. whether it is protecting the borders, or building a highway. Consider that in the 1990's in the state of Washington, there were four administrators or social workers for every person receiving assistance. That is not a public assistance program, it is a jobs program. Those administrators, and social workers would have been better employed in the private sector where the wealth of the community is created.

Just an opinion, and I did not have to use one "blah".

Wow. So doctors and nurses, for example, are not a part of the value chain because they do not create products.

You're understanding of a complex subject is less than elementary. As it is with most of your ilk.

[Charles Montgomery Burns]

It is nice to see this thread is filled with adolescents who have no true understanding of how the economy works, or how Obama's policies are destroying the energy industry in America.

[Fintanland]

It is nice to see this thread is filled with adolescent teenagers who have no understanding of how the economy works, or how Obama's policies are destroying the energy industry in America.

Then enlighten us, oh great one. This oughta be good...

[Khadgar]

It is nice to see this thread is filled with adolescent teenagers who have no understanding of how the economy works, or how Obama's policies are destroying the energy industry in America.

Oh do tell. Because last I checked the reason the coal industry is having problems, is because natural gas is a fuckton cheaper, easier to extract, safer, burns cleaner. Clearly this is all Obama's doing, I mean he's the one who opened the way to fracking right? No, wait that was W wasn't it? Why didn't we hear how anti-coal he was?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

It is nice to see this thread is filled with adolescents who have no true understanding of how the economy works, or how Obama's policies are destroying the energy industry in America.

Yeah...no not really. The only adolescent with no true understanding of how the economy works is one of yours...of course I'm not including you in that. Yet.

[Ravenvalles]

Some things are best handled on the national level. But, like it or not, the military, FBI etc. only, (I hate to say only, because they are vitally important) contribute to the stability of the economic environment. They do not directly create products, or service those products. All monies that flow through the government, have a negative multiplier effect. This includes everything they do for us. whether it is protecting the borders, or building a highway. Consider that in the 1990's in the state of Washington, there were four administrators or social workers for every person receiving assistance. That is not a public assistance program, it is a jobs program. Those administrators, and social workers would have been better employed in the private sector where the wealth of the community is created.

Just an opinion, and I did not have to use one "blah".

Wow. So doctors and nurses, for example, are not a part of the value chain because they do not create products.

You're understanding of a complex subject is less than elementary. As it is with most of your ilk.

Don't you think health care is a product or service? You have attacked me (ad hominem), and not seriously addressed the topic, just picked at it.

I am heading off to take a tour of the local Mormon temple this morning. They open them up to the general public before their dedication. I wholly recommend the tour to anybody interested in understanding the LDS or their architecture. So, signing off for now.

[Fintanland]

Don't you think health care is a product or service? You have attacked me (ad hominem), and not seriously addressed the topic, just picked at it.

I am heading off to take a tour of the local Mormon temple this morning. They open them up to the general public before their dedication. I wholly recommend the tour to anybody interested in understanding the LDS or their architecture. So, signing off for now.

So, highways, border protection and so on are not products or services? I disagree.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Wow. So doctors and nurses, for example, are not a part of the value chain because they do not create products.

You're understanding of a complex subject is less than elementary. As it is with most of your ilk.

Don't you think health care is a product or service? You have attacked me (ad hominem), and not seriously addressed the topic, just picked at it.

I am heading off to take a tour of the local Mormon temple this morning. They open them up to the general public before their dedication. I wholly recommend the tour to anybody interested in understanding the LDS or their architecture. So, signing off for now.

No...I attacked your level of knowledge. Boo fucking hoo.

Also I love the way you've redefined your position. I believe that's called moving the goalposts...oh well.

The reason I did not address your point seriously is due to the fact that your point was less than sophomoric.

[Abatael]

He's a hard-nosed businessman.

[Arkinesia]

I think that it is just economic reality. You can't have "dirty" coal jobs and eliminate the "dirty " coal business.

It is good to see that we can continue to count on the liberals to want their cake and eat it too.

The coal business is being eliminated because it's antiquated.

So yeah, it really is the free market at work. People have determined that there are better sources of energy so coal falls to the wayside.

[Genivaria]

No, I mean liberals who believe government funded jobs expand the economy, and are not just another form of being on the dole.

Swhyko clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Yes, yes I do. Why else would I be joining it?

[The UK in Exile]

He's a hard-nosed businessman.

it has to be hard or he'd struggle to fit it up his own arse.

[Genivaria]

He's a hard-nosed businessman.

it has to be hard or he'd struggle to fit it up his own arse.

Damn that guy must be flexible.

[The TransPecos]

Whatever you may think of Murray, he isn't the only one or the only company doing this. I understand that several companies have announced closures or moves to China because of rising regulatory issues and mandated costs. Locally most (and eventually all?) restaurants are putting everyone on part time so they can avoid health care and other benefits costs.

[Selsada]

I find it ridiculous and outraging to see the CEOs and politicians talking about how Obama restricted individual freedoms, when the big industrials and the CEO up there are always the first to gut the Congress to pass laws that increase "war on terrorism", so much that now drones are flying by some major american city to lead a war not only against "terrorists", but against the people.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Talking of ragequiting...

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/20 ... -only.html

[Selsada]

God, If I was a citizens in the U.S, what would I have to suffer...
They talk about freedom, but deny the right other people have to not agree with them.
Sounds like Democracy always work when you agree with it..., huh "libertarians" ?

[The Black Forrest]

No, I mean liberals who believe government funded jobs expand the economy, and are not just another form of being on the dole.

So clearly you believe the military is equivalent to welfare then? It's a government funded job.

Like Carlen said. They want live babies so they can make dead soldiers.