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KC-45A Aerial Refueling Tanker

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Type: KC-45A Airborne Refueling Aircraft
Crew: 2 (pilot/co-pilot), 2 Reserve Crew, 4 Refueling Specialists
Height: 16.92m
Length: 62.8m
Wingspan: 63.4m
Empty Weight: 115,000 Kg
MTOW: 245,000 Kg
Speed: 930 Km/h
Range: 15,750 km (On standard internal fuel, not counting off loadable fuel)
Ceiling: 13,100 m
Max Fuel Load: 115,000 Kg
Re-fueling Apparatus: 1x Flying Boom, 2x Probe and Drogue
Propulsion: 2x Trent 1000
Thrust: 311 Kn Each
Radar: AN/APG-67
Countermeasures: flare and chaff pods

Unit Price: $190 million standard dollars

The KC-45A Airborne Refueling aircraft, a modification of the Boeing 787-9 Civilian Airliner, is a design by Pennsylvanian Air Incorporated (PAI), in a attempt to construct a smaller family of support aircraft for the nations that cannot afford its larger family of A380 based Aircraft. They did this for going searching for the smallest airliner they could find at a cheap price, while still maintaining a decent amount of internal space to implement the equipment they were going to put into the aircraft. The only choice they found for this goal was the Boeing Designed 787-9 airliner, because not only was it cheaper than the Airbus A310, A330, and A340 also looked at, but it was also a newer aircraft, meaning that it had newer electronics, which would also mean that the cockpit electronics would not have to be replaced or modified much, in order to make the needed aircraft.

When PAI began designing a Refueling Aircraft based around the Boeing 787-9 airliner, the first thing they did was to remove most of the internal Passenger Arrangements, basically turning the aircraft into a empty shell. The next thing they did was to replace most of the internal volume, with the exception of some room for the refueling specialists and the reserve crew. What PAI did with the remaining internal room in the aircraft was to turn it into various Fuel Tanks, for a total of up to 115,836.8 Kg max fuel load. The KC-45A uses 2 different re-fueling apparatuses, 1 Flying boom, for the fast re-fueling of USAF style aircraft, and 2 Probe and Drogue Refueling lines for the refueling of 2 additional aircraft similar to Soviet Style Aircraft. The Flying boom allows for much faster re-fueling of aircraft, but it is harder to line up with than a Probe and Drogue. The Probe and Drogue re-fueling line is a slower means of refueling, but, due to its smaller size ,can accommodate more aircraft at a single time and is much easier to refuel from, requiring minimal training compared to a Flying Boom to operate.

The Aircraft, for defense against missiles, has just Flare and Chaff pods, due to the fact that it should never get within range of which to have a missile fired at it from. The Aircraft also carries an AN/APG-67 Radar, for Collision avoidance and navigation. Unlike the Previous KC-40A Tanker, based upon the Airbus A380 Airframe, the KC-45A is significantly smaller, allowing it to operate out of places that a KC-40 would not. This, coupled with its being much cheaper, allows the KC-45A to be a good aircraft intended to be aimed at selling to smaller nations.

The KC-45A Tanker is intended to be sold to smaller nations with a smaller defense budget, allowing them to maintain a decent Tanker Fleet on a smaller budget. It is also intended to be sold to larger nations that have large Re-fueling tankers, but to be used out of smaller runways that their other, large tankers cannot operate out of. Between the Aircrafts relatively cheap price of just $190 Million USD, and its small size coupled with a decent fuel load, makes this aircraft a good tanker for anyone to use. The aircraft, able to reach over 15,000km ranges using its original internal fuel load, is able to reach past 30,000km on a ferry flight using all of its available fuel, including the fuel that would typically be used for refueling other aircraft. The aircraft also has its own ability to be refueled, in case it ever runs too low on fuel while on a mission to make it back to base, another Aerial Re-fueling aircraft can come over and give it enough fuel to either continue a mission some more, or to make it back to base and land.


This Aircraft, along with others, is availiable at Pennsylvanian Aerospace Incorporated
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Postby Gebeta » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:24 pm

Is this aircraft usable with early type aircraft, Such as ME109 and ME262, and JU-52?
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:26 pm

Gebeta wrote:Is this aircraft usable with early type aircraft, Such as ME109 and ME262, and JU-52?


OOC:Sorry, i dont exactly get what your saying?
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Postby Bavin » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:31 pm

United States of PA wrote:
Gebeta wrote:Is this aircraft usable with early type aircraft, Such as ME109 and ME262, and JU-52?


OOC:Sorry, i dont exactly get what your saying?

OOC:He means WWII era.

IC: Is it compatible with Pave Low helicopters?
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:37 pm

The KC-45A, when using its 2 Probe and Drogue Refueling lines, is more than capable of refueling MH-53 Pave Low Helicopters.

OOC: I know that, but im not sure whats hes asking.
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Postby Gebeta » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:41 pm

Bavin wrote:
United States of PA wrote:
Gebeta wrote:Is this aircraft usable with early type aircraft, Such as ME109 and ME262, and JU-52?


OOC:Sorry, i dont exactly get what your saying?

OOC:He means WWII era.

IC: Is it compatible with Pave Low helicopters?


Yes WW2 aircraft
thanks for clarifying
im sorry for the confusion.
Im asking if the tanker would be able to refuel the aircraft specified, with some modifications of course.
Once again sorry for the confusion
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Postby Birkaine » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:43 pm

WWII planes lack midair refueling capabilities.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:47 pm

As Birk Said no, as WWII up until about the 60s aircraft lack Midair Refueling apparatus's, so the answer is no.
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Postby Gebeta » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:54 pm

Birkaine wrote:WWII planes lack midair refueling capabilities.

Ok
I just thought with some modfications, Similar to that used in 1948 by Raf Meteor jet fighter and a Avro Lancaster, it would be possible.
(I just really like WW2 era planes, mostly German x-planes)

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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:57 pm

If Their modified with the appropiate gear than a KC-45A can be used with them. But may i ask, what era do you roleplay in?
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Postby Gebeta » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:03 pm

my country is suppose to be at a point in which after a major revolution, many aircraft have been lost, so we are using what we have the most of. so for example we use JU-52 transports and Uh1z hueys.
Like a third world country i guess.
Me262 would be defense fighters, Me109 anti rebel and ground harassment roles.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:09 pm

Alright, but yea, with the proper modfications, you can refuel WW2 era aircraft using this.
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Postby Gebeta » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:16 pm

190 Million USD has been wired
Were only buying one for now until proper economic settings can be established.
We will take care of the modfications.
Thank you.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:34 pm

Approved, aircraft will be delivered within the month.
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Postby Marinetus » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:41 pm

OOC: Wouldn't modifying all of your aircraft and buying the tankers cost more than just using the initial fueling system that you have in place?

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Postby Gebeta » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:54 pm

Marinetus wrote:OOC: Wouldn't modifying all of your aircraft and buying the tankers cost more than just using the initial fueling system that you have in place?

We dont have any remaining systems, plus we want to update our forces.
Thank You for Selling us the aircraft PA.
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The Royalsoldiers Air Force would like to purchase 5 of your planes.

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Postby United States of PA » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:29 pm

Approved.
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Postby Gebeta » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:19 pm

We would like to purchase two of these aircraft, without the refueling systems.
If this can be done we will Telegram the requirements.
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Postby United States of PA » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:22 pm

Without the refueling systems what is the purpose of the aircraft? All it is than is a stock Boeing 787 Airliner. We are not here to provide Civilian Aircraft that can easily be built by oneself, we are here to provide Military Aircraft and Civilian aircraft designed by our own Engineers, not those of someone elses.
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Postby Gebeta » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:55 pm

United States of PA wrote:Without the refueling systems what is the purpose of the aircraft? All it is than is a stock Boeing 787 Airliner. We are not here to provide Civilian Aircraft that can easily be built by oneself, we are here to provide Military Aircraft and Civilian aircraft designed by our own Engineers, not those of someone elses.

Understood
Well then we would like to purchase 2 additional tankers. The one you built us before works great. Thank You for such a exdrodinary aircraft.
We will send two lump sums of 190million dollars in the requested currency.
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Postby United States of PA » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:01 pm

Approved.
In other words, conservatives are generous with their own money, and liberals are generous with other peoples money.
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"See, it doesn't matter how many people you have, how old your civilization is, or any such tripe. We're still the by-God US of A and we will seriously bitch slap you so hard your ancestors going back millenia will feel it if you piss us off."


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