SUBMITTED: Commend Krulltopia

[Topdop]

Yes, I'm back. I also decided to come back with a bit of a bang and try something interesting. After two years of "please don't," I finally got the go-ahead from Krulltopia to finish and submit this project -- which is good; Krull's done a lot of great shit in those two years and I could cite one of the things he did in this proposal (Lux).

Krulltopia and I have been colleagues for some time now. Am I patting a friend on the back? Maybe; but I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think that he damn well deserved it. Krull doesn't get a lot of credit for the work he does to keep TP together and to help out the neighboring GCRs when he can, and I'm one of the few people who gets to watch him do this at a more involved level. I think this resolution is long-overdue.

Also, did I throw some potentially controversial opinions into this? Sure I did. There are plenty of people who don't like autocracy or banning RMB spam; but there are plenty more who can appreciate a form of regional government when it works well and who respect the GCRs by leaving our RMBs alone.

I'm curious as to how this will go. I'll be lobbying for it soon.

Are you a delegate? Be a pal, then. Approve.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=topdop_1349820139

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING Krulltopia as the current World Assembly delegate of The Pacific,

NOTING that Krulltopia has reigned in The Pacific for over three years after being appointed the position of delegate by the previous Emperor of the New Pacific Order, Moo-Cows with Guns,

FURTHER NOTING that, over the course of those three years, Krulltopia has worked tirelessly and meticulously with only the aid of a few very close allies to maintain the flawless security and stability of The Pacific and to promote the safety of the other Pacifics,

ACKNOWLEDGING, as an example of the aforementioned dedication to regional security, Krulltopia's exposure of former Balder delegate Luxembourg when Luxembourg infiltrated and gained control of assets owned by Balder's former vice-delegate Fotar and planned to use what the nation had stolen to assume complete control of Balder’s forums, to usurp and cripple the nation of Fotar, and to forcibly take control of the entire region of Balder,

UNDERSTANDING that this exposure of Luxembourg's corruption allowed the nation's scheme to be halted preemptively before any significant damage could be done to Balder and to the nation of Fotar,

RECOGNIZING Krulltopia as the first Pacific delegate to ban the obsolete and disruptive practice of Regional Message Board advertisement, a decision which encouraged other Pacific governments to follow suit and which encouraged more active international interaction within the Pacifics,

BELIEVING that Krulltopia has performed spectacularly in the position of Emperor of the NPO and as delegate of The Pacific and that this nation has greatly helped preserve The Pacific as a bastion of stability, expand the tight-knit NPO community, and rebuild many of the formerly cherished features of the region’s government (such as the Pacific Army, Pacific News Network, and the Peoples’ Congress),

CONCEDING that, while regional autocracies/meritocracies are not extremely popular, all loyal and devoted denizens of The Pacific accept and support the autocracy which has maintained the region since antiquity and believing that Krulltopia is honoring the region's inhabitants and history by preserving TP's current system,

DEEMING Krulltopia's enlightened leadership to be worthy of international and interregional appreciation,

HEREBY COMMENDS Krulltopia.

[Cromarty]

I am entirely in favour of this.

[Unibot III]

ACKNOWLEDGING, as an example of the aforementioned dedication to regional security, Krulltopia's exposure of former Balder delegate Luxembourg when Luxembourg infiltrated and gained control of assets owned by Balder's former vice-delegate Fotar and planned to use what the nation had stolen to assume complete control of Balder’s forums, to usurp and cripple the nation of Fotar, and to forcibly take control of the entire region of Balder,

UNDERSTANDING that this exposure of Luxembourg's corruption allowed the nation's scheme to be halted preemptively before any significant damage could be done to Balder and to the nation of Fotar,

So we should commend Krulltopia.. for ... whilst trying to convince Lux to go Mammothistan on Balder, discovering Lux's batshit insanity and reporting it? That's like commending someone for stopping an house-arson while they were trying to rob the same dahm house. *scratches his head*

RECOGNIZING Krulltopia as the first Pacific delegate to ban the obsolete and disruptive practice of Regional Message Board advertisement, a decision which encouraged other Pacific governments to follow suit and which encouraged more active international interaction within the Pacifics,

Well most governments used to have techniques and practices for dealing with adspam, one of them promoted in The North Pacific was.. well, talking more. I just don't see this as a greatly commendable policy, all you've done is chosen like the only unusual prohibition on the Pacific Civil Code that people may like outside of the Pacifican Senate and gone "see.. it's commendable!"

BELIEVING that Krulltopia has performed spectacularly in the position of Emperor of the NPO and as delegate of The Pacific and that this nation has greatly helped preserve The Pacific as a bastion of stability, expand the tight-knit NPO community, and rebuild many of the formerly cherished features of the region’s government (such as the Pacific Army, Pacific News Network, and the Peoples’ Congress),

Literally "preserve".

There's nothing new and a lot in dire need of reformation in said feeder. The Pacific is easily one of the most inactive GCRs in the game, if not the most inactive. Probably, in part due to Krulltopia remaining as head for a third of a decade.

CONCEDING that, while regional autocracies/meritocracies are not extremely popular, all loyal and devoted denizens of The Pacific accept and support the autocracy which has maintained the region since antiquity and believing that Krulltopia is honoring the region's inhabitants and history by preserving TP's current system,

So, you're a true Scotsman if you support Krulltopia? The autocracy has maintained the region in various successive governments and fronts since the August Revolution, but whether it has maintained the region well for quite a while now is highly contestable. Is the Pacific doing well? I guess it's still standing, beyond that, it's affront to liberty and inclusiveness has brought with it stagnation and hollowed institutions since the rich sources of merit and talent all drained up that the original NPO had from which to sustain its autocracy with new blood for circulation.

All this is a populist commendation, you've said like three points, "No Feeder Spam!", "Stability!" and "Reported Crazy Person!" and expected this to defend yourself from any legitimate attacks against your resolution (i.e., if Krull and his regime is so good for the Pacific why is it so inactive compared to all the other feeders? Are dictators commendable?), because you can then call out the resolution's detractors as exploitative userites, ad-spam-sympathists and coo-coo instability lovers.

Also, I preferred the A Mean Old Man who defended the importance of public drafting instead of just submitting a new draft with any new drafting...

A mean old man wrote:
The thing about [a small group of] defenders with the same ideology all building a resolution on their own is that there is no one to play devil's advocate, no one to question their use of words or quality of information. It is also very possible that [one] will miss details that could strengthen and perfect the writing, as has happened with this lame commendation. Everyone is going easy on each other in [this] system. While [one] might enjoy that environment, [one needs] to recognize that the opinions and ideologies of others are important for the construction of well-rounded proposals (actually, they’re important for the construction of nearly everything that involves the coming together of people of different ideologies) No, I'm not saying this only because I want a say in the drafting of the proposal; there are plenty of proposals drafted in the NSWA forums that I don't get involved in the drafting of that I will still support. Others have done the work already, and multiple ideologies have usually clashed, have come to some sort of agreements, and have improved the quality of their work. I know [some might not] think that the opinions of [certain] raiders are of any use and think that [some raiders] will oppose it simply because it’s a defender being commended, however I beg to differ. Look at Oh my Days, for example. There are still raiders out there (and people who aren’t raiders [...]) who will support something and try to help with something if it’s well justified. And a commendation of Sedge is very well justified, but this resolution barely shows that.

A vote for this resolution would support this unsatisfactory form of drafting. The WASC is not for surprise parties; it's for long-thought-out, quality work. This is not how quality work is made.

I used to support a "Commend Krulltopia", but I've come to see the current NPO government as not something particularly beneficial to the Pacific compared to other feeder and sinker governments. OPPOSED.

[Topid]

I'll probably wait to be sure this is passing so I can cast a more IC vote against, if it isn't I'll cast an OOC vote for.

[Topdop]

Ah! The self-appointed "champion of democracy" has arrived to defeat the evil New Pacific Order which he used to collaborate with before it challenged his actions in The South Pacific. How quickly opinions can change.

So we should commend Krulltopia.. for ... whilst trying to convince Lux to go Mammothistan on Balder, discovering Lux's batshit insanity and reporting it? That's like commending someone for stopping an house-arson while they were trying to rob the same dahm house. *scratches his head*

Amusing that you would now choose to believe the tale of the rogue delegate you helped overthrow. Also, nice touch with the "Mammothistan" bit, though your reference is more than just a little bit dated.

I'll respond to this by posting the statement from the NPO to Balder after the incident occurred. I think I need say nothing else on the incident:

This is a statement by A mean old man regarding the role of the New Pacific Order in the recent ordeal involving Luxembourg and Balder. There were only three members of the NPO who were involved in this – AMOM (myself), Jeux II, and Krulltopia – the first two more so than the third. Interaction between AMOM, Jeux, and Luxembourg on IRC began around November 18 or 19. It began when Luxembourg called upon us personally within #the_pacific, TP’s IRC channel. Considering our interactions with Luxembourg over the past few days may now be used against us due to our decision to act against Luxembourg, it is best I explain exactly what happened now truthfully and in detail.



Lux originally complained to us about what was happening in Balder. The state of Balder was less than satisfactory; the region was loaded with security threats and contesters for Lux’s position. Jeux and I agreed with Lux’s sentiments and jokingly suggested he take over the region to install order. We then stated that we were not serious about him taking over, though I personally still believed he should assume a more assertive role and “lay down the law” in Balder, considering the recent dangers in Osiris and considering Balder was in a much more vulnerable state than its sister region.

Lux continued to speak with us over the next few days and we eventually realized he did actually plan to assume a more assertive role in Balder due to the recent security issues. Jeux and I both were interested in his attitude; we liked the idea of fostering the growth of another GCR led by a leader with a strong sense of duty and a heavy hand, and believed that if Lux came to us for advice we might be able to help him fill the role of a tough but fair leader. We liked this idea and he seemed bent on receiving our support and the overall support of The Pacific and the NPO.

Krulltopia, delegate of The Pacific and Emperor of the New Pacific Order, was kept informed of our discussions and was occasionally visited by Luxembourg, who sought Krull’s advice, via IRC. Both Jeux and I were interested in discussing the matter with Luxembourg and we both believed him to be a reasonable person. Krulltopia, however, preferred taking a more passive role and would rather observe Lux rather than interact with him. We should have followed Krull’s example very directly and left Lux alone (although, had we not continued to speak with Lux about the state of Balder, we probably would not have learned the incriminating details which changed everything and created the situation before us all today).

So we continued to ask Lux about his plans for Balder, and on November 21, 2011, he informed us of his successful capture of the forum’s ROOT administrator account’s password and of Balder Vice-Delegate Fotar’s e-mail address. He told us he planned to log into Fotar’s WA nation (Fotar) and remove it from the World Assembly (through the stolen e-mail).



…and that is what happened. Jeux and I originally liked the idea of someone maintaining a stricter and safer rule over Balder; the region was weak, Lux’s position was being contested by multiple internal threats, and regional security was down the tubes. We encouraged him to be more assertive in his role, but he had absolutely no idea that he would betray so many legitimate members of his region and take the path of the hacker. When we discovered what he planned to do and what he had already done, we were horrified.

Thus the three members of the NPO revealed the imminent threat to Balder’s forum administrators and to the NS moderation team (in case Lux did manage to access Fotar’s WA nation on November 22, 2011 as he planned to) and prevented the hijacking of the region’s ROOT admin account and the coup of its government by a dangerous individual.



The NPO as a whole would further like to gravely condemn the unsportsmanlike practice of password stealing and condemns Luxembourg’s unsportsmanlike choice.

I personally would like to apologize for sympathizing with Luxembourg originally; I had no idea he would go down this road. At that point it seemed like he simply planned to step up his game and build something better out of the train wreck that is Balder. I had no way of knowing he planned to slit so many throats to accomplish that goal (if that was even the goal he sought to accomplish).

Thank you.
A mean old man

Well most governments used to have techniques and practices for dealing with adspam, one of them promoted in The North Pacific was.. well, talking more. I just don't see this as a greatly commendable policy, all you've done is chosen like the only unusual prohibition on the Pacific Civil Code that people may like outside of the Pacifican Senate and gone "see.. it's commendable!"

In case you didn't notice, people do talk more on TP's RMB - far more, in fact, than they did when the RMB was constantly flooded with garish, obnoxious adspam. I know; I've been there for about two and a half years and watched the condition of the message board improve as recruiters slowly began to give up on it. Talking more is a supplement, but suppression is a solution.

Literally "preserve".

There's nothing new and a lot in dire need of reformation in said feeder. The Pacific is easily one of the most inactive GCRs in the game, if not the most inactive. Probably, in part due to Krulltopia remaining as head for a third of a decade.

Such harsh claims and such little evidence to back them up with. You also seem to be confusing "inactive" with "small;" TP's government is inherently small because it takes effort and loyalty to become trusted by it and heavily involved in it. There are also a number of areas of the government's forum that are private and thus hidden from your prying eyes; it should still be fairly obvious, however, that the Order has gained and revived a number of active members (heronlord, Feux, Shoelock, Warrior Thorin, etc.) recently and that it holds onto its old ones, who participate in the region's discussions and decisions almost every day.

You also might not be able to comprehend that many of us are actually happy with TP's government not changing. In a world where the stability of some GCR governments is almost constantly at risk, TP can always be counted on to be stable but not dead. You're interpreting "stable" as "stagnant," and they're hardly the same thing.

So, you're a true Scotsman if you support Krulltopia? The autocracy has maintained the region in various successive governments and fronts since the August Revolution, but whether it has maintained the region well for quite a while now is highly contestable. Is the Pacific doing well? I guess it's still standing, beyond that, it's affront to liberty and inclusiveness has brought with it stagnation and hollowed institutions since the rich sources of merit and talent all drained up that the original NPO had from which to sustain its autocracy with new blood for circulation.

Evidently members such as myself, Jeux and the aforementioned others are not "sources of merit and talent."

As I said, a slow feeder is not a stagnant feeder. TP's regulars are very often present and active within its forum, though we might simply be conversing or speculating rather than legislating and altering things in our governmental system. Every decision and/or change I've ever seen TP's government make takes a lot of deliberation; perhaps we don't feel quite as rushed as democratic gameplayers when deciding things for The Pacific. Sometimes I like to think of the NPO as the Ents of NationStates.

All this is a populist commendation, you've said like three points, "No Feeder Spam!", "Stability!" and "Reported Crazy Person!" and expected this to defend yourself from any legitimate attacks against your resolution (i.e., if Krull and his regime is so good for the Pacific why is it so inactive compared to all the other feeders? Are dictators commendable?), because you can then call out the resolution's detractors as exploitative userites, ad-spam-sympathists and coo-coo instability lovers.

I could do that, or I could actually argue your points. I've chosen to do the latter and make you look slightly silly for saying this. *Shrugs.*

I was tempted to add more about the disruption of the GGR, but that didn't make it into the text. Shame; some of the delegates I've telegrammed wanted me to elaborate on it. I suppose that brings me to your next point.

Also, I preferred the A Mean Old Man who defended the importance of public drafting instead of just submitting a new draft with any new drafting...

[snip]

A vote for this resolution would support this unsatisfactory form of drafting. The WASC is not for surprise parties; it's for long-thought-out, quality work. This is not how quality work is made.

Perhaps I broke my own rule slightly by not drafting this 100% publicly, though I did go around to quite a few different people, within and outside of the NPO, over the course of the last two and a half years when I was working on this. Most everyone I spoke with actually likes <<<"No Feeder Spam!", "Stability!" and "Reported Crazy Person!">>>, so the only real issue I see here is that I probably could have made this slightly better by being a bit more public with it (case in point with the GGR detail), but I don't think that I made any fatal errors by not doing that.

Also, what would I have gained from listening to you attempt to tear my colleague apart in the drafting thread apart from some slight agitation?

I used to support a "Commend Krulltopia", but I've come to see the current NPO government as not something particularly beneficial to the Pacific compared to other feeder and sinker governments. OPPOSED.

You know nothing about the NPO, and your attempts to recount its history on IRC are hilariously uninformed. The NPO is the only government for The Pacific. The only people who think it should be overthrown hardly spend a day in TP.

[Unibot III]

Amusing that you would now choose to believe the tale of the rogue delegate you helped overthrow.

The tale makes sense, why else would he mention in a private conversation with three Pacificans (Jeux, AMOM, Krull) that he was going to coup Balder? He kept his intentions hidden for quite some time, he wouldn't have slipped unless he thought it was safe to slip it to you guys -- it would make sense for the context of the conversation to be you three trying to convince him to go tyrant.

Your statements confirms what he was saying. You were encouraging him to become a "GCR leader with a strong sense of duty and a heavy hand" who would " “lay down the law” in Balder" and gain "overall support of The Pacific". A.K.A. NPO Feeder Tyrant Puppet a la UPS Rail and Great Bights.

So stop trying to bullshit this, A Mean Old Man. You guys were trying to convince him to become an iron fist delegate who'd sympathize with the NPO Government and when it became apparent he was crazy, you backed away and reported him. Bearing in mind the context, it simply was not commendable.

You also might not be able to comprehend that many of us are actually happy with TP's government not changing. In a world where the stability of some GCR governments is almost constantly at risk, TP can always be counted on to be stable but not dead. You're interpreting "stable" as "stagnant," and they're hardly the same thing.

Stable is not stagnant, necessarily. Krull's regime is half asleep for other reasons than lacking an internal security threat -- mostly the size and exclusivity of your government and the slow administration you have praised for being slow. The North Pacific for example, is an incredibly active region.. but this has nothing to do with "instability", The North Pacific has an incredibly strong and present Security Council.

Why would you want TP's government to change? It gives power to you and a few circle of people designated to be "true" Pacificans.

TP's government is inherently small because it takes effort and loyalty to become trusted by it and heavily involved in it

Not exactly, if I recall correctly you and Jeux were members of The Pacific fairly quickly, it wasn't too long after Jeux was kicked from Europe that he was a Pacifican. It's a matter of being liked by the old boy's club. Since even Francos Spain was a userite for only three weeks (verifiable by NSHistory) before becoming delegate of the Pacific, it would be a bit harsh for the NPO to actually follow its own doctrine. Hah.

Evidently members such as myself, Jeux and the aforementioned others are not "sources of merit and talent."

You could only list a few new members ... you quoted Warrior Thorin as a new player for god's sake, he was NPO in the Original NPO. Clearly the NPO's restrictive membership practices of just picking certain people that Krull likes is causing the Pacific to be hampered negatively.

I could do that, or I could actually argue your points. I've chosen to do the latter and make you look slightly silly for saying this. *Shrugs.*

So you agree that there is hardly any substantiveness to this commendation and it's filled with godawful informal logical fallacies. Okay. *shrugs*

Most everyone I spoke with actually likes <<<"No Feeder Spam!", "Stability!" and "Reported Crazy Person!">>>, so the only real issue I see here is that I probably could have made this slightly better by being a bit more public with it (case in point with the GGR detail), but I don't think that I made any fatal errors by not doing that.

It's a check-mark list of three things people like to hear, but it comes down to a stagnant government, an opportunistic capitalization of a coincidence and a prohibition of something everyone hates anyway. It's a commendation running on fumes.

The only people who think it should be overthrown hardly spend a day in TP.

Of course they don't spend a day in TP, that's the point of an oppressive regime: to keep the region free of people who want to oust you.

Perhaps I broke my own rule slightly by not drafting this 100% publicly

Yes, you did and it shows.

[Cormac Stark]

I see nothing in this commendation -- adspam, really? -- that is actually worthy of commendation aside from the fact that Krulltopia has been Delegate of The Pacific for three years. And as Unibot pointed out, given the stagnation and inactivity in The Pacific I'm not entirely sure his Delegacy is all that commendable.

That said, even if Krulltopia had presided over three years of constant activity in The Pacific I still have no intention of commending a Delegate who is basically the unelected dictator of The Pacific. Neither should anyone else who values democracy in NationStates.

Opposed.

[0rville Redenbacher]

Saaaay, I think this is a great idea. But you know what would make it even better? A huge buttery bowl of my gourmet popping corn!

Free popcorn for everyone while we discuss the commendation of Krulltopia!

[Unibot III]

That said, even if Krulltopia had presided over three years of constant activity in The Pacific I still have no intention of commending a Delegate who is basically the unelected dictator of The Pacific. Neither should anyone else who values democracy in NationStates.

Well exactly, Krulltopia would have to be horrible as a delegate for him to lose his seat; this is a regime that's --without instability-- supported tyrants much worse than Krulltopia (e.g., Ivan). He'll step down as delegate when he wants to step down, not when the opposition in the Pacific want a change of leader.

Being the leader of any democratic feeder for years is a true accomplishment, but three years of a regime endorsed by an autocratic state? Not so much.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

The North Pacific for example, is an incredibly active region.. but this has nothing to do with "instability", The North Pacific has an incredibly strong and present Security Council.

Elizaveta winced before she spoke, "While my government does not particularly wish to get involved in this debate, I must clarify for the record that The North Pacific Security Council is not the kind of guarantor of stability that an autocratic regional regime would be." She grimaced and continued, "Firstly, it provides no additional prevention of a rogue Delegacy; and indeed in The North Pacific there is no 'endorsement cap' per se so many would argue that arrangements to prevent a rogue are limited." Taking a deep breath, she went on, "The North Pacific Security Council as an institution is a mechanism for restoring the democratic system of governance if a rogue delegacy occurs, and even then, it is no guarantor of success."

[Solorni]

I'd like to note as well that with regards to Balder, the regions government has always been appreciative of the work of Krulltopia during the attempted coup by Luxembourg. I can't recall any criticisms made in Balder that go along the lines of what Unibot has stated.

[Cromarty]

I'd like to note as well that with regards to Balder, the regions government has always been appreciative of the work of Krulltopia during the attempted coup by Luxembourg. I can't recall any criticisms made in Balder that go along the lines of what Unibot has stated.

Concerns, however, were raised at the time, during the meeting on irc between the parties who met to decide upon an action to take against Lux. At the time they were dismissed, as Lux had made his move.

I am in favour of this resolution.

[Topdop]

I'd like to note as well that with regards to Balder, the regions government has always been appreciative of the work of Krulltopia during the attempted coup by Luxembourg. I can't recall any criticisms made in Balder that go along the lines of what Unibot has stated.

I will be responding to this in more detail when I have time.

[Eldritch Love]

There's nothing new and a lot in dire need of reformation in said feeder. The Pacific is easily one of the most inactive GCRs in the game, if not the most inactive. Probably, in part due to Krulltopia remaining as head for a third of a decade.

BS there are other GCR's with less activity. The pacific will always support any of its members trying to grow themselves.

Stable is not stagnant, necessarily. Krull's regime is half asleep for other reasons than lacking an internal security threat -- mostly the size and exclusivity of your government and the slow administration you have praised for being slow. The North Pacific for example, is an incredibly active region.. but this has nothing to do with "instability", The North Pacific has an incredibly strong and present Security Council.

Thats BS. Just because Krulltopia is an elected dictator =/= Krulltopia being a tyrant.

Krull is very supportive of players in his region, and actively supports/guides new players into finding parts of the game they can enjoy. The pacific is a region for personal growth, if you just want to spend time creating and dealing with drama the pacific is not for you. Krull deserves Commendation for maintaining such a supportive region which has incredible influence via the growth of its active members.

[The Seeker of Power]

While I may not have the biggest possible post count on the forums, and usually show a very private face, I have been a part of The Pacifica since about 2005, and Krull is one of the greatest assets that we as a Region and this World as a whole has.

The standards to which he subjects his behavior and conduct are unparalleled in NS. Despite his mistakes, he has always gone forward.

I vouch you all to support this proposal. Do not heed to the voices of self-indulgence and selfishness, nor incomplete and shallow arguments against it. We will appreciate your support!

[The Seeker of Power]

Well exactly, Krulltopia would have to be horrible as a delegate for him to lose his seat; this is a regime that's --without instability-- supported tyrants much worse than Krulltopia (e.g., Ivan). He'll step down as delegate when he wants to step down, not when the opposition in the Pacific want a change of leader.

Ivan, a Tyrant? One of our greatest leaders, a tyrant? Really? This is an argument for you? Uni, bro, there is one thing you seem not to have grasped since you once bitched at me begging for support on a WA proposal: the fact that things are not always the way you want them does NOT means they are wrong. Geez. Ivan a Tyrant... How could you...

[The Great Destruction]

I have supported this proposal but I am unsure why. Greatness deserves recognition but does recognition deserve greatness? I have to think longer on how I will vote on this one if it reaches quorum.

[Anur-Sanur]

This commendation is an utter disgrace. It is not only is grossly misleading in its characterization of Krulltopia’s delegacy, but is a sad reflection of the worst realities of feeder gameplay at this time.

When Krulltopia took the delegacy of the Pacific, he took more than administrative control of a region. A delegate of the Pacific is the leader of the NPO, an inheritor of the Francoist legacy, a guardian and advocate of Pacifica, and heir of Francos Spain. Francos Spain –to those who remember him - is a legend of NS gameplay, who cut across the chaos of the early Pacific and established governance, order, and a unifying doctrine. He pioneered many tools of governance feeders take for granted today, but did not fatten at the helm as Krulltopia does.

He expanded his reach across the feeders, not in words and pitiful alliances but in deeds. His soldiers, propagandists, spies, diplomats, politicians, adherents, and detractors crossed the feeders back when they were still young, volatile, interesting, and free from the suffocation of bureaucracy and defensive group think that has accumulated after many years in many feeders. He created an empire and an ideology which involved large cross sections of the game. He enabled a gameplay informed by deep doctrinal and regional loyalty, these were not soldiers whose only motivation was a clock or a number.

These successes benefitted the game as whole, as pushback against Francos was organized and forced to model his ingenuity to compete, creating organizations and leaders as rich if not as remembered.

If we consider this legacy, we must look at how Krulltopia has measured up. Has he honored the legacy? Has he protected the party mandate?

Do we BELIEVE as this insidious resolution proclaims, that he has performed “spectacularly”?

I already know what will come from the mouth of Krulltopia and his hatchet man, Topdop aka A Mean Old Man. They will attack the messenger. They will say I, Anur-Sanur, am merely slandering Krulltopia as revenge for being rejected from the NPO. That is laughable, for the NPO does not exist under Krulltopia. A skeleton exists, or rather persists. Not because Krulltopia is some security mastermind. This line in the commendation is frankly insulting, and I am surprised to see gameplayers endorse such babble when they know better.

There is no Pacific Army. Any allies who sound their call will receive no troops. There is no Pacifican News Agency, that is patently ridiculous. They have no staff. When they have something to say, someone is assigned on an ad hoc basis and they write something. It is not an agency and to mislead the world as such is a lie.

This commendation implies Krulltopia has through great effort, remained delegate for over three years. It takes no effort. Security is not an act of meticulous persistence. The Pacific is secure because Krulltopia has an automated tool. He did not build this and I would guess is largely ignorant of how it even works. It scans every nation in the Pacific and anyone above his severe endorsement cap is banned. This makes it impossible to remove him from the delegacy because he can simply click a button and run this script. The effort to make the script was made a long time ago, he has done nothing since then. The commendation starts off with an outrageous lie.

Even if someone was able to seize the delegacy he still could not be removed, because he has sat in the delegacy for so long that his influence is insurmountable. The severely low cap insures that only he and his closest cronies will retain influence, every day he gains an exponential amount compared to every other resident. And again, this is enabled by his scanner to enforce the cap. There is no effort. There is no ingenuity. He has not remained at the top because of his quality of leadership, he has remained there because the admins have decided people should be rewarded for simply logging in day after day, year after year, with the ability to be planted and never removed from a region.

In fact, I believe this helps to explain why the Pacific is in such a sad state. Krulltopia does not want any challenge, does not have any desire or stomach for the effort it would now require to reinvigorate his region. So he simply does nothing, remaining in his fortress, as impervious as he is useless. His hatchet man has left to take his own shot at feeder delegacy in TEP, and we have already seen what Krulltopia’s apprentice has to offer. Promised an army, we still don’t see one. Promised greater activity and clout on the world stage, while TEP continues to be irrelevant. His leadership is slow, with his greatest accomplishment being a toothless severance of diplomacy with Osiris, which was met with jeers from inside and outside his own region and characterized by a marked lack of strategy or support.

With regards to this commendation’s numerous talks of the Balder crisis and Krulltopia’s role, that is laughable. Do we commend people for getting telegrams and then forwarding them on so others can deal with the problem? Krulltopia did nothing. He received a telegram informing him of nefarious activity, and the NPO them promptly outsourced the problem solving to the UDL – whom they would backstab in TSP many months later. Because once again, they have no army, no teeth, and no influence. They are forced to ride the backs of Userites – their enemies – until they feel they can’t control them and then they stab them in the back. This is not commendable. This is a disgrace and sad descent from the height of the NPO under Francoism.

There is no Pacifican influence. Krulltopia has abandoned Francosim which is steeped in the notion of feeder sovereignty and power against “Userites” – those who come to the feeders and exploit them for their own political gains. The descendants of these Userites presently dominate the feeders under many guises – most notably as the modern defender. Krulltopia’s response has been to do nothing. Osiris and Balder were founded and it was not a Pacifican or feeder army that secured, fought, or protected them. The supposed sons of Francos Spain sat back, completely toothless, as Userites bickered with update raiders. No army and no muscle in an area that is supposed to be their mandate – the feeders/sinkers. Their only contribution was for the hatchet man to accept the role of glorified vote counter for the first Osirian elections, watching stupidly as Osiris sled to a coalition backed by some of the most infamous Userites in the game, people the old NPO had rallied against. The NPO’s hatchet man peddled influence with the Userite Unibot, allowing him to subvert elections in TSP when it suited his pet project – the MPA – only to betray him at a disagreement. The NPO was once again forced to ride the back of Userites in other feeders, as it has lost all independent strength.

Krulltopia has blamed the Pacific’s weakness on the game. He has said he was “forced to adjust” because of changes in the game, but this is nonsense. Today’s defenders and raiders have made adjustments. The arrival of influence, the hoarding of feeder political power, and happenings such as the Great Decline are not an excuse for stagnation, they are trends Pacifica should have been fighting against.

He desecrates and defames the legacy of Francos Spain every time he logs in and thinks it is sufficient to simply scan for endorsements and monitor chat room banter. He makes no effort to recruit, no effort to raise an army, no effort to even barely lift his region out of well of pathetic irrelevance it has fallen into. And yet of course, he and his hatchet man act superior. You can see it in this commendation.

Once again, they will say I am bitter. AMOM’s refrain against my criticism has been that I am angry over being rejected from the forum. Again as I say and have spelled out, that is folly. For the NPO under Krulltopia is dead. I have however, been to numerous exile forums. Krulltopia was not made delegate yesterday, he has been there for years and the criticisms I raise have been raised before. I can tell you that there exists exile forums and forums from those persecuted by Krulltopia or who grew tired of him and left, and within them lie the true Francoists. There you will find visions, ideas, and efforts that outdo the man sitting in the delegacy. There are more people who care about Francos Spain and Pacifica outside than inside the Pacific, and that is a fact the blind, paranoid, and despotic Krulltopia and his hatchet man will never see.

One of the first people commended by this council was Kandarin. Kandarin earned his stripes when the NPO had not yet died under Krulltopia. Kandarin was a community builder, a legend of nearly Francos Spain proportions. Todd McCloud is a community builder and leader, in Fox Rite and in the post-Empire the East Pacific. Unibot III as much as I disagree with him, is a community builder and a leader. He invented the United Defenders League and has made it the most dominant defender force in the game.

Krulltopia is not a community builder, he is not on par with those three by a mile. He inherited the game’s best legacy, and he has thrown it away like mud. His delegacy and this commendation is a disgrace. If this council is to be more than a circular way for old members to laud unearned praise on each other, then we must reject this commendation.

I ask all nations to reject this commendation and what it represents, a tolerance of laziness, of squalor, and of the worst trends in gameplay.

[Topdop]

Remember that time that you pretended to be a Francoist in a last ditch-effort to save your skin in TSP?

[Anur-Sanur]

Remember that time that you pretended to be a Francoist in a last ditch-effort to save your skin in TSP?

Once again, a typical AMOM dodge.

I am a Francoist. I know Francoists who hail from the Pacific while you had yet to exist.

I do not say I am a good one, or that my methods or past actions have been excellent.

I'm not the one being nominated for a commendation however.

It is you who are nominating for commendation. And it is your nominee who is a complete failure and disgrace to the legacy.

[Unibot III]

BS there are other GCR's with less activity. The pacific will always support any of its members trying to grow themselves.

There are GCR's with less activity, that's the pathetic part -- not a redeeming quality on the Pacific's part.

Thats BS. Just because Krulltopia is an elected dictator =/= Krulltopia being a tyrant.

I didn't say that, I said the Pacific is in rough shape. A tyrant would probably keep the Pacific more active, to be honest. Although true activity and development has to come from different methodologies than exclusion or tyranny.

Ivan, a Tyrant? One of our greatest leaders, a tyrant? Really? This is an argument for you? Uni, bro, there is one thing you seem not to have grasped since you once bitched at me begging for support on a WA proposal: the fact that things are not always the way you want them does NOT means they are wrong. Geez. Ivan a Tyrant... How could you...

Ivan, not a tyrant? *cough*

Alright.

Let it be clear, I think Ivan seems like a really cool guy OOC from what I can tell. But if you're going to try to bullshit me that Ivan was not IC the most godawesome iron-fisted tyrant in NationStates History, then you better have a good reason to place him second.

During his last purge of The Pacific at his retirement, he caused the population of the Pacific to go from 3268 to just 1560. During his first purge of the Pacific in 2006, he kicked about 3000 nations from the Pacific. When he took over the controls of Pixiedance from Cathyy, he also ran a notably oppressive regime instituting the tyrannic The North Pacific Directorate which established martial law and suspended the constitution to ban Better Times (Free4All) while instituting a trial system that had presumption of guilt until proven innocent, endorsement caps subject to the change at the dictator's will and an authoritarian grip over the direction of the military. He is the definition of a tyrant (and a userite to boot!).

[Anur-Sanur]

The issue is not about Ivan Moldavi.

This is about AMOM trying to pass off a failed delegacy as commendable.

There is nothing commendable about Krulltopia's delegacy, not as put in this commendation.

[Hatchet Man]

I do like this label, by the way.

[Anur-Sanur]

As always when cornered, the hatchet man puts on a clown face.

Show some dignity and stop shopping this outright lie to the world's delegates.

[Eldritch Love]

There is no Pacifican News Agency, that is patently ridiculous. They have no staff. When they have something to say, someone is assigned on an ad hoc basis and they write something. It is not an agency and to mislead the world as such is a lie.

As a staff writer for the PNN i reject this statement as blatant BS.

You might have valid points somewhere in that rant but for the most part it does not reflect the reality of the Pacific.