by Goony Goo Goo » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:00 pm
by Khadgar » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:01 pm
Goony Goo Goo wrote:I googled the word "Feminism" and learned that it is a term coined in 1895 which was intended to describe...
1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
However if you read history you will find that there have been many queens and women of high status in almost every society. Are we then to believe that being an Empress in ancient China meant you were less equal to a male slave?
Shouldn't feminists, if they truly want to exist in a just and equal society, acknowledge that women are not the only people who have been abused in the name of civilization? 8)
by Unchecked Expansion » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:02 pm
Goony Goo Goo wrote:
Shouldn't feminists, if they truly want to exist in a just and equal society, acknowledge that women are not the only people who have been abused in the name of civilization?
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:08 pm
by Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:09 pm
by Seskany » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:13 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:13 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:15 pm
by Norsklow » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:16 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Men suffer just as much from patriarchy as women do.
And while the feminist movement has destroyed, or greatly reduced, the effects of patriarchy on women, they have thus far left men still under it's problems.
So I'd say the founding feminists, and most feminists up until very recently, were either sexists or incredibly absorbed with THEIR problems as opposed to societies.
by SaintB » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:16 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:18 pm
Norsklow wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Men suffer just as much from patriarchy as women do.
And while the feminist movement has destroyed, or greatly reduced, the effects of patriarchy on women, they have thus far left men still under it's problems.
So I'd say the founding feminists, and most feminists up until very recently, were either sexists or incredibly absorbed with THEIR problems as opposed to societies.
Failure to be a 'One Nation' Movement ( sly dig at Milliband ) equates unfit to exist in democratic societies.
Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
JFK.
by Seskany » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:20 pm
by San Leggera » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:21 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:22 pm
San Leggera wrote:No. The aren't sexist.
They simply want gender equality between men and women.
by Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:22 pm
by Northwest Slobovia » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:24 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:I keep getting the feeling that this is BBQ.
by San Leggera » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:24 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:24 pm
San Leggera wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Some do. A lot don't realize the actual problem. Check my posts.
I was under the assumption that the OP was referring to feminists as a group rather than individuals.
Of course there are sexist people in the world, however feminism is not sexist; at least not on its own.
by Norsklow » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:25 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Norsklow wrote:
Failure to be a 'One Nation' Movement ( sly dig at Milliband ) equates unfit to exist in democratic societies.
Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
JFK.
Imagine if around the same time there were a movement called
Masculinism.
And it was opposed to men being the only sex effected by the draft, the emphasis on "Women and children first", the expendability of the male gender in societal values, the repression of gays while lesbians were (relatively) tolerated, "Men can be nurses too!" etc.
Now imagine if this movement had a lot of members in it who regarded women complaining about the right to vote as "inconsequential"
"Overblowing the issue."
"Whining" etc.
The reason women didn't have the right to vote and had different rights to men comes very much from the expendability and martial nature of men's role in society.
by Camicon » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:25 pm
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by Northwest Slobovia » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:26 pm
by Ashlak » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:26 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:26 pm
Camicon wrote:Feminism is inherently sexist. Not to say it hasn't (and isn't) doing some great things as to improving conditions for women. It is flawed from the outset, and thus never able to truly achieve it's goal (that is, equality), by favouring the social development of women over that of men.
Equality by improving social conditions for women and men should be our modus operandi.
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