by Franklin Delano Bluth » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:08 pm
by Grenartia » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:38 pm
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:A couple of points rather fundamental to Paulinism have long bothered me, and I'd like to get some input on how Paulinists understand them.
First, how do you know that Paul wasn't lying or deluded about the circumstances and events of his claimed conversion? Second, how do you reconcile your claim that Jesus was the Christ with Jesus's clear belief in a god and (for those who hold to these interpretations--I realize that they're not universal, and if you don't agree with this interpretation you're not who this part is directed towards, so please just ignore it) claims of divinity?
by Silent Majority » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:38 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:38 pm
by Grenartia » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:42 pm
by Raeyh » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:43 pm
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:03 pm
Raeyh wrote:By Paulinist, you mean Roman Catholics, right?
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:06 pm
Grenartia wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:A couple of points rather fundamental to Paulinism have long bothered me, and I'd like to get some input on how Paulinists understand them.
First, how do you know that Paul wasn't lying or deluded about the circumstances and events of his claimed conversion? Second, how do you reconcile your claim that Jesus was the Christ with Jesus's clear belief in a god and (for those who hold to these interpretations--I realize that they're not universal, and if you don't agree with this interpretation you're not who this part is directed towards, so please just ignore it) claims of divinity?
2. It seems that you're failing to understand that Jesus being the Messiah automatically means He can't be God.
If you want to separate yourself from Christians
by Tmutarakhan » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:28 pm
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:It seems that you're failing to properly read what I wrote.
by Druidville » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:31 pm
Katganistan wrote:Oh, I wouldn't vote for Ron OR Rand if you paid me.
by Miss Defied » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:36 pm
by Risottia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:16 pm
Raeyh wrote:By Paulinist, you mean Roman Catholics, right?
by Christmahanikwanzikah » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:46 pm
Risottia wrote:Raeyh wrote:By Paulinist, you mean Roman Catholics, right?
Knowing Bluth, he means anyone who follows Paul's writings, which includes Catholics, but also Orthodoxes and Protestants. I'd say, almost everyone calling himself a Christian.
Btw, about Bluth's question, a non-Christian answer: one could reconcile Jesus' belief in the God of Abraham (he was an observant Jew after all) and his divinity by considering that every human descends from God (as per Genesis) and, through his god-given conscience/soul, has some "divine" qualities.
Then again, I'm neither a Christian nor a Paulinist, so I could be making some gross theological mistakes here.
by Coccygia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:31 pm
by Northwest Slobovia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:42 pm
by Condunum » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:59 pm
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Grenartia wrote:
2. It seems that you're failing to understand that Jesus being the Messiah automatically means He can't be God.
It seems that you're failing to properly read what I wrote.If you want to separate yourself from Christians
Why would I want to separate myself from what I am? I'm just trying to distinguish between Christians and non-Christians, such as Paulinists.
by AiliailiA » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:17 pm
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by Grenartia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:56 pm
Risottia wrote:Raeyh wrote:By Paulinist, you mean Roman Catholics, right?
Knowing Bluth, he means anyone who follows Paul's writings, which includes Catholics, but also Orthodoxes and Protestants. I'd say, almost everyone calling himself a Christian.
Btw, about Bluth's question, a non-Christian answer: one could reconcile Jesus' belief in the God of Abraham (he was an observant Jew after all) and his divinity by considering that every human descends from God (as per Genesis) and, through his god-given conscience/soul, has some "divine" qualities.
Then again, I'm neither a Christian nor a Paulinist, so I could be making some gross theological mistakes here.
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Grenartia wrote:
2. It seems that you're failing to understand that Jesus being the Messiah automatically means He can't be God.
1. It seems that you're failing to properly read what I wrote.If you want to separate yourself from Christians
2. Why would I want to separate myself from what I am? I'm just trying to distinguish between Christians and non-Christians, such as Paulinists.
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