Govt is corrupt, so why do liberals want bigger govt !?!?

[The UK in Exile]

Threaten them. Not illegal, no government.

No government, no prosecution.

No government, no prisons.


Well of course, because what you advocate is silly and unrealistic.



I agree, this is a one sided debate, with you not addressing any points. The government saved GM, so useless point there.

your wasting my time --- this is my last response to your ridiculous strawman arguments.

go back and find the post where I advocate zero government and get back with me.

yet according to your own post government is always coercive and corrupt.

so I guess the question is, why are you pro corruption?

[Mavorpen]

your wasting my time --- this is my last response to your ridiculous strawman arguments.

go back and find the post where I advocate zero government and get back with me.

My posts have highlighted the importance of government. There is no straw man. But it's nice you're admitting the government is important, thus a larger government is better.

[Liriena]

OP, why do you hate the children, the elderly, the poor, the hungry, the sick and the unemployed?

That's what the oh-so-despicable big government takes care off: those who are one way or the other incapable of participating in the Market to receive basic services which are recognized by most of the civilized world as human rights.


BTW: I'm not pro-big government, I'm fucking pro-big state. Learn the difference!

Children- Should be taken care of by their parents.
Elderly- Should have saved money for retirement (the government just steals it through MediCare and gives them almost nothing back).
Poor- Who could find jobs if the government didn't regulate the economy.
Unemployed- Refer to poor.

Your response is all fine and dandy...but it ignores one mayor problem:

A) The parents of many children are poor or their salaries are too low. Or there are just no parents.
B) I'll ignore the part between brackets and just respond to the first part: Sometimes people just CAN'T save money for retirement. For example, when your employers pay you barely enough to get buy, and have no labor laws that tells them to maybe do something more than paying the minimum.
C) Please explain to me why, despite record profits in this last period, companies still don't hire works. Sorry, my friend, but sometimes THERE JUST AREN'T ANY JOBS.
D) Look to (C)

[AuSable River]

source ??!!!

what is the source for 2+2 = 4 ???

Well that was proven a long time ago. Unlike your outlandish claims. Remember Austrian theory =/= fact

indeed, are you aware that thousands, if not millions of free market firms fail yearly ?

Millions reall?. I mean thousands, I'll buy that. But millions? No. I'm beginning to suspect that you fail to understand that the words you use have actual meanings. And that, especialy with numbers, there are actual values that correlate to them.

again for the 20th time, explain the process whereby a firm can crush competition without satisfying consumer preferences.

Apple

until you answer this challenge --- dont bother with these inane strawman diversions.

Investment in a thesaurus may spruce up your rhetoric.

Edit: tags and typos

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

[Liriena]

Contradiction

If gov't owns everything- No Choice But To Use Their Services
If corporation gobbles up everyone else- No Choice But To Use Their Services

Yeah...nope.

I was thinking more about...you know...Mixed Market Economy. Not everything is black and white, despite what anti-left indoctrination during the Cold War might have made you believe.

[Wirbel]

Well that was proven a long time ago. Unlike your outlandish claims. Remember Austrian theory =/= fact


Millions reall?. I mean thousands, I'll buy that. But millions? No. I'm beginning to suspect that you fail to understand that the words you use have actual meanings. And that, especialy with numbers, there are actual values that correlate to them.


Apple

Investment in a thesaurus may spruce up your rhetoric.

Edit: tags and typos

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

Don't we all love these technologies? If the gov't gets to big, we won't have them.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

I love how Americans say government is corrupt. Go to any country not in Western Europe and see what happens. Ever been to India? In the course of obtaining the paperwork to own a food stand, the average person has to give 10 bribes.

Western Corruption is more efficient because it takes place in the form of siphoning off people's tax money.

Fascinating. You do realize America has some of the lowest taxes in the first world?

[Mavorpen]

Don't we all love these technologies? If the gov't gets to big, we won't have them.

Source?

[Samuraikoku]

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

Apple doesn't let me use iTunes to manufacture nuclear weapons.

FASCISTS!

[Forster Keys]

Well that was proven a long time ago. Unlike your outlandish claims. Remember Austrian theory =/= fact


Millions reall?. I mean thousands, I'll buy that. But millions? No. I'm beginning to suspect that you fail to understand that the words you use have actual meanings. And that, especialy with numbers, there are actual values that correlate to them.


Apple

Investment in a thesaurus may spruce up your rhetoric.

Edit: tags and typos

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

You cherry pick one answer to one particular question, ignoring the rest of response, and then use to it to go on a blind, baseless barely related rant. Then you call the argument of the person you quoted ridiculous? Class.

[Forster Keys]

Don't we all love these technologies? If the gov't gets to big, we won't have them.

Source?

No important technology has ever been created or produced by the government!

[Liriena]

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

Don't we all love these technologies? If the gov't gets to big, we won't have them.

Dare I ask? Why, yes, I do!

SOURCE?

[Wirbel]

You know my answer to those questions- and that's why you disagree with me.

[Wirbel]

Don't we all love these technologies? If the gov't gets to big, we won't have them.

Dare I ask? Why, yes, I do!

SOURCE?

I can't source this. But just see what happens if you destroy the private sector... You'll just have to see.

[Mavorpen]

You know my answer to those questions- and that's why you disagree with me.

Why yes, I know your answer will be, "No, I don't have a source!" That's a good reason to disagree.

[Samuraikoku]

Source?

No important technology has ever been created or produced by the government!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC

[Mavorpen]

Dare I ask? Why, yes, I do!

SOURCE?

I can't source this. But just see what happens if you destroy the private sector... You'll just have to see.

So, no source. In other words, your post was a joke.

[Miss Defied]

Well that was proven a long time ago. Unlike your outlandish claims. Remember Austrian theory =/= fact


Millions reall?. I mean thousands, I'll buy that. But millions? No. I'm beginning to suspect that you fail to understand that the words you use have actual meanings. And that, especialy with numbers, there are actual values that correlate to them.


Apple

Investment in a thesaurus may spruce up your rhetoric.

Edit: tags and typos

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

No I don't because I wasn't arguing that Apple was going to take over the world.

[AuSable River]

Children- Should be taken care of by their parents.
Elderly- Should have saved money for retirement (the government just steals it through MediCare and gives them almost nothing back).
Poor- Who could find jobs if the government didn't regulate the economy.
Unemployed- Refer to poor.

Your response is all fine and dandy...but it ignores one mayor problem:

A) The parents of many children are poor or their salaries are too low. Or there are just no parents.
B) I'll ignore the part between brackets and just respond to the first part: Sometimes people just CAN'T save money for retirement. For example, when your employers pay you barely enough to get buy, and have no labor laws that tells them to maybe do something more than paying the minimum.
C) Please explain to me why, despite record profits in this last period, companies still don't hire works. Sorry, my friend, but sometimes THERE JUST AREN'T ANY JOBS.
D) Look to (C)

Your response is fine and dandy -- but it ignores one mayor (sic) problem:


1) government operatives and their cronies gain power by claiming to address a need or acting as an advocate for the poor.

2) government operative use this need as an excuse to gain power and control over other people's wealth against their will

3) government uses this power to dole out crumbs to the very people that are suffering, while the bulk of favors and wealth go to their special interests and campaign contributors.

4) predictably the problem doesnt improve, hence government requires MORE power and money to 'solve' it.

5) the poor are worse off then before, society is more unequal, and politicians and their cronies richer.


Indeed, under obama lobbyists have skyrocketed, banks are making record profits, and not surprisingly poverty and permanent unemployment is at record levels.

[Liriena]

Dare I ask? Why, yes, I do!

SOURCE?

I can't source this. But just see what happens if you destroy the private sector... You'll just have to see.

Please, tell me where you got your magic ball to gaze into such a dreadful future!

[Forster Keys]

No important technology has ever been created or produced by the government!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC

Wikipedia is funded by the State. Your argument is invalided evil leftist.

[AuSable River]

yes apple has a significant amount of market share.

and yes, everyone in the apple store is being screwed by the Ipad and Ipod.

and yes, everyone who bought these devices was coerced against their willl

and yes, apple is going to take over the world and deny its enemies food, water, and legal representation.


do you see how ridiculous your argument is ?

No I don't because I wasn't arguing that Apple was going to take over the world.

my point was that apple was very effectively satisfying consumer preferences -- thats why they have market share.

but rest assured that if someone came up with a better 'mouse trap' or if apple slacked off for a second --- the free market would ruin them.

in contrast, the more government fails -- the more taxes it requires and the richer the politicians and their cronies get.


I'll take limited govt. and the free market thank you.

[Wirbel]

You know my answer to those questions- and that's why you disagree with me.

Why yes, I know your answer will be, "No, I don't have a source!" That's a good reason to disagree.

The Soviet government once got to big. It had the power to provide everything to it's citizens. But it used that power to take it all away.

[Mavorpen]

Your response is fine and dandy -- but it ignores one mayor (sic) problem:


1) government operatives and their cronies gain power by claiming to address a need or acting as an advocate for the poor.

And they do.

2) government operative use this need as an excuse to gain power and control over other people's wealth against their will

Lolololololol Social Contract.

3) government uses this power to dole out crumbs to the very people that are suffering, while the bulk of favors and wealth go to their special interests and campaign contributors.

Which is due to the free market producing greedy people.

4) predictably the problem doesnt improve, hence government requires MORE power and money to 'solve' it.

Well yes, that's what taxes are for.

5) the poor are worse off then before, society is more unequal, and politicians and their cronies richer.

All due to capitalism.

Indeed, under obama lobbyists have skyrocketed, banks are making record profits, and not surprisingly poverty and permanent unemployment is at record levels.

Yes, under Obama. He's not the cause. Try again,

[Wirbel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC

Wikipedia is funded by the State. Your argument is invalided evil leftist.

Yes, yes. It floats on donations from the people.