by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:46 pm
by Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:48 pm
by Death Metal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:48 pm
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:49 pm
AuSable River wrote:Please ask questions.
by Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:49 pm
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:52 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Hold on a second, I need to copy your entire post and replace all instances of "liberal" with "conservative" and similar alterations so it's obvious how stupid that post was. Gimme a moment.
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:53 pm
Death Metal wrote:The free market is more corrupt and more coercive.
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:54 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Oops, nevermind, can't be bothered; I didn't anticipate that your post would be so demoralising. "If I could deprogram leftists"? I thought I was being a little harsh calling your post stupid without having read it, but if anything, I wasn't harsh enough.
by Transhuman Proteus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:54 pm
AuSable River wrote:For example, the reckless and irresponsible financial institutions that engaged in questionable business practices prior to the 2008 crisis successfully went to Washington to get bailed out by Bush, RINO republicans and virtually every democrat in Congress (including obama).
Not surprisingly, these same banks contributed generously to both obama and bush in their respective elections. Moreover, the these same failed bankers have figured prominently in both the bush and obama cabinets.
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:55 pm
by Zevassa » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:56 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:57 pm
AuSable River wrote:Death Metal wrote:The free market is more corrupt and more coercive.
I see that you agree that government is corrupt --- now how is it that the free market is corrupt?
Essentially I am going to debunk you since you dont know what the free market is based on your ignorant statement.
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by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:57 pm
Transhuman Proteus wrote:I am a "liberal". I was unaware I wanted a "bigger govt". Thank you for educating me.AuSable River wrote:For example, the reckless and irresponsible financial institutions that engaged in questionable business practices prior to the 2008 crisis successfully went to Washington to get bailed out by Bush, RINO republicans and virtually every democrat in Congress (including obama).
Not surprisingly, these same banks contributed generously to both obama and bush in their respective elections. Moreover, the these same failed bankers have figured prominently in both the bush and obama cabinets.
I do like how you make try and effort to exclude conservatives so as to not have your argument, such as it is, fall to pieces (it doesn't work).
by Wirbel » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:58 pm
Death Metal wrote:The free market is more corrupt and more coercive.
Mikoyan-Guryevich wrote:Don't RP that your naval strike force has just launched 1000 fighter jets, this is just pure shit.
by Revolutopia » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:58 pm
by Natair » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:58 pm
AuSable River wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:Hold on a second, I need to copy your entire post and replace all instances of "liberal" with "conservative" and similar alterations so it's obvious how stupid that post was. Gimme a moment.
If you actually read my post and understood it, it most definitely implies that any government actor is inherently corrupt irrespective of whether they are republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, et al.
I assume you agree with me that government is corrupt
by Norstal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Oops, nevermind, can't be bothered; I didn't anticipate that your post would be so demoralising. "If I could deprogram leftists"? I thought I was being a little harsh calling your post stupid without having read it, but if anything, I wasn't harsh enough.
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by Tubbsalot » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm
AuSable River wrote:Do you have a logical, factual and empirically supported argument ?
because this last one is totally devoid of any intelligent or substantive rebut.
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm
AuSable River wrote:Death Metal wrote:The free market is more corrupt and more coercive.
I see that you agree that government is corrupt --- now how is it that the free market is corrupt?
Essentially I am going to debunk you since you dont know what the free market is based on your ignorant statement.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Transhuman Proteus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm
AuSable River wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:Oops, nevermind, can't be bothered; I didn't anticipate that your post would be so demoralising. "If I could deprogram leftists"? I thought I was being a little harsh calling your post stupid without having read it, but if anything, I wasn't harsh enough.
Do you have a logical, factual and empirically supported argument ?
because this last one is totally devoid of any intelligent or substantive rebut.
AuSable River wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:Hold on a second, I need to copy your entire post and replace all instances of "liberal" with "conservative" and similar alterations so it's obvious how stupid that post was. Gimme a moment.
If you actually read my post and understood it, it most definitely implies that any government actor is inherently corrupt irrespective of whether they are republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, et al.
I assume you agree with me that government is corrupt
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:59 pm
Zevassa wrote:I stopped reading once I got to the word "indoctrination" -- I don't think that conservatives know what this word actually means.
When you stop using GOP sponsored buzz-words and think for yourself, let me know and I'll give it another read.
by Wirbel » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:01 pm
AuSable River wrote:Who knows?
Probably they are just following the indoctrination that they have received from leftwing educators, pop culture, and the main stream media who are all proponents of big government.
If I could deprogram leftists, I would enlighten them to the fact that government is a market for corruption.
Essentially, it is a place where special interests go to get something by coercive means that they couldn't get in a free, voluntary, and competitive society.
For example, the reckless and irresponsible financial institutions that engaged in questionable business practices prior to the 2008 crisis successfully went to Washington to get bailed out by Bush, RINO republicans and virtually every democrat in Congress (including obama).
Not surprisingly, these same banks contributed generously to both obama and bush in their respective elections. Moreover, the these same failed bankers have figured prominently in both the bush and obama cabinets.
Using the 'logic' of the Left -- obama, bush, and democrats in congress were required to divert scarce resources from productive sectors of the economy to bailout the very negligent and reckless firms and individuals who helped cause the crisis or in the very least were clueless on how to mitigate its impact.
They don't really know why --just that the same fools and crooks who caused the crisis must be bailed out AND the politicians and elites in finance told them that a bail out was necessary ??!! How 'surprising' and convenient for these same elitist politicians and bankers.
In reality, the purpose of government isn't to promote sustainable and beneficial economic policy -- it is for self-serving politicians and their corrupt cronies in the public and private sector to 'game' the system to their benefit at the expense of productive individuals and firms in the private sector (who by definition don't need government help).
This is the preamble of ECO 101 for progressives.
In sum, if any liberal/progressive/leftist thinks that government is not corrupt and coercive -- then you cant proceed further and we need to resolve this impasse.
Please ask questions.
Mikoyan-Guryevich wrote:Don't RP that your naval strike force has just launched 1000 fighter jets, this is just pure shit.
by United Marxist Nations » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:01 pm
Norstal wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:Oops, nevermind, can't be bothered; I didn't anticipate that your post would be so demoralising. "If I could deprogram leftists"? I thought I was being a little harsh calling your post stupid without having read it, but if anything, I wasn't harsh enough.
Funny how the people who decries the government like this tend to be more oppressive than any other governments.
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by Arborlawn » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:02 pm
by AuSable River » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:02 pm
Transhuman Proteus wrote:AuSable River wrote:
Do you have a logical, factual and empirically supported argument ?
because this last one is totally devoid of any intelligent or substantive rebut.
You don't seem to have provided much evidence of corruption...AuSable River wrote:
If you actually read my post and understood it, it most definitely implies that any government actor is inherently corrupt irrespective of whether they are republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, et al.
I assume you agree with me that government is corrupt
So if you think government automatically corrupts any individual working in it, regardless of political leanings, why the "liberal" aspect to your... argument? Are you saying conservatives outside of the government want to change things? They talk about "small government" a lot, but rarely do anything about it.
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