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by Unibot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:27 pm
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Krioval » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:47 pm
by Ilharessa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:48 pm
Stash Kroh wrote:[Recognizing the existence of many remote societies who have been discovered over the years living on various continents, islands and far off planetary systems without any prior knowledge of intelligent life living among them,
1. Forbids member nations and their citizens from claiming property within the area the isolated society is secluded to -- no matter the size or extensiveness of the homeland;
3. Demands that upon contact with a isolated society, this document, the WA Doctrine of First Contact be explained to the first contacted, translated for understanding (if necessary) and clarified on any clause that an inhabitant does not comprehend;
5. Encourages member nations to refrain from intruding, or conducting any activity that leads to an inhabitant’s scientific awareness of civilization outside of their society -- however, understands that this sort of paternalization is not universally agreed upon or necessary in some circumstances;
by Unibot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:52 pm
Entrusts the World Assembly with the immediate abolition of the following travesties against isolated societies by member nations and their citizens ...
(a) Harming an inhabitant through any physical, mental, social, environmental, cultural or virtual means -- including the unnatural spread of disease, or the introduction of cultural aspects such as alcoholism;
(b) Assimilating or converting inhabitants to a new religion, or cultural belief system by either threating them with penalties, harm or social isolation if they do not convert;
(c) Reducing the social, political or economic freedoms granted to an inhabitant by the government, or lack of government in an isolated society;
(d) Establishing any sort of dependency between the isolated society and a member nation, that prevents the isolated society from being self-sustainable;
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by Unibot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:02 pm
Ilharessa wrote:1. Forbids member nations and their citizens from claiming property within the area the isolated society is secluded to -- no matter the size or extensiveness of the homeland;
"Not even property granted to them as a result of the... Girl, hand me the twenty-second resolution." Velnayanis then scowled at the paper one of her proteges hands her. "No, not the one on pollution! Hand me the one on diplomats!" She then snorts derisively at the ruffling of papers before the correct one is handed over. "The Diplomat Protection Act, specifically negotiations to choose the building that would be the diplomatic station? Does this also prevent the establishment of military bases inside a nation that is, technologically, incapable of defending itself against an invading power that doesn't have to worry about obeying this law?"3. Demands that upon contact with a isolated society, this document, the WA Doctrine of First Contact be explained to the first contacted, translated for understanding (if necessary) and clarified on any clause that an inhabitant does not comprehend;
The ambassadoress facepalmed. "You mean to tell me that someone from my nation has to waste their time in trying to get every group of wild animals we run across to understand this document? And what kind of damage do you think it will have to societies that have never had personal freedoms granted by their governments when you have to explain the concept to them? This article alone causes a potential wherein the law contradicts itself."5. Encourages member nations to refrain from intruding, or conducting any activity that leads to an inhabitant’s scientific awareness of civilization outside of their society -- however, understands that this sort of paternalization is not universally agreed upon or necessary in some circumstances;
"This contradicts number 3, in that the above one requires you to make them scientifically aware of an entire organization of nations while this one tries to have you avoid making them aware of any other nations. Will you make up your mind on which you want already?"
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
by New Rockport » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:05 pm
Stash Kroh wrote:2. Entrusts the World Assembly with the immediate abolition of the following travesties against isolated societies by member nations and their citizens ...
by Stash Kroh » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:22 pm
New Rockport wrote:Stash Kroh wrote:2. Entrusts the World Assembly with the immediate abolition of the following travesties against isolated societies by member nations and their citizens ...
I'm not sure that travesties is the right word here.
by Ilharessa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:26 pm
Unibot wrote:Good points, ambassador. However the "Diplomat Protection Act" does not apply, as the isolated society is not bound by World Assembly laws. They're free to not give a rat's ass about the safety of your ambassador.
I will be looking to clarify Clause 3 following the dilemma you've mentioned,
and Clause 5 is not a contradiction, merely appealing to the more paternal crowd (then lets say... Krioval !). You'll notice the wording in Clause 3, "Demands that upon contact" as opposed to Clause 5, which describes a WA nation's relations with an isolated society before contact.
by Grays Harbor » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:38 pm
Krioval wrote:Allow me to articulate the position of the Imperial Chiefdom. We are fully opposed to this legislation. It represents everything that is wrong with the fluffy - in thought, not body - contingent of the WA these days. It elevates cultural relativism to a position of unassailable dogma, which is wrong-headed on many levels. It restricts the opening of legitimate avenues to developing mutually beneficial trade between cultures. It forces WA nations to act as WA representatives before acting as national representatives. It restricts the sovereign right of nations to exercise control over territory that is within that nation's jurisdiction. Krioval wrote, campaigned for, and managed to pass National Economic Freedoms in direct response to the tripe that is this proposal, and for the unmitigated calamity that was Protection of Outer Space Act. NEF is specifically designed to block WA interference with regard to trade in national jurisdictions, which is something that this proposal fervently endeavors to do.
Now that I have dispensed with the pleasantries, the Imperial Chiefdom does oppose this, will oppose this regardless of amendments, and fully reserves the rights to interfere not only with this drafting, but also with any campaign designed to move this forward, to the limits of decorum. This legislation is nothing more than another paternalistic attempt for a holier-than-thou nation to push its beliefs onto those nations that are successful and prosperous, and whose cultural influence threatens them. Protection of Outer Space set forth to protect vacuum. This proposal seeks to seal off entire societies within a vacuum. At the end of the day, they are both vacuous indeed.
[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval
by Stash Kroh » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:40 pm
by Ilharessa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:00 pm
by Tsukasa-chan » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:54 am
by Bears Armed » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:30 am
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:10 pm
Tsukasa-chan wrote:I applaud Ambassador Tyvok's magnificent oratory skills and ability to express exactly what is wrong with this kind of proposal, and see no need to add to their points. I will stand against this proposal until the end of time or the formal dissolution of the Incorporated States of Tsukasa-chan or my own withdrawal from action in this universe, whichever comes last.
Rin 4
International Ambassador
OOC: Oops! Promised to post my thoughts on this some time ago, didn't I? Sorry, but I got distracted and then it dropped too far down the page (for a while) to catch my attention again. Please consider this post to be a place-holder for some suggestions, which will be coming soon...)
by Krioval » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:04 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Yes, I know its terrible, isn't it? -- How could the World Assembly expect for us, the pinnacle of civilization, to treat our loyalsavagestrade partners with respect, while refraining from killing off their species?
Honestly, I had no idea that Social Darwinism influenced our halls this much.
by Stash Kroh » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:03 pm
(b)Dooming an entire society by interaction (as opposed to a lack of interaction or intervention) through any physical, mental, social, environmental, cultural or virtual means necessary to significantly increase their risk of extinction;
by Kaesekartoffeln » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:43 pm
I believe the word you're looking for is 'extent'Stash Kroh wrote:Forbids member nations and their citizens from claiming property within the area the isolated society is secluded to -- no matter the size or extensiveness of the homeland;
The word necessary is unnecessary.Stash Kroh wrote:Dooming an entire society by interaction (as opposed to a lack of interaction or intervention) through any physical, mental, social, environmental, cultural or virtual means necessary to significantly increase their risk of extinction;
So are we prohibiting nations from preventing individuals from being forcibly removed?Stash Kroh wrote:Preventing a member of an isolated society from leaving their homeworldagainst their own will;
by Stash Kroh » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:54 pm
Kaesekartoffeln wrote:I believe the word you're looking for is 'extent'Stash Kroh wrote:Forbids member nations and their citizens from claiming property within the area the isolated society is secluded to -- no matter the size or extensiveness of the homeland;The word necessary is unnecessary.Stash Kroh wrote:Dooming an entire society by interaction (as opposed to a lack of interaction or intervention) through any physical, mental, social, environmental, cultural or virtual means necessary to significantly increase their risk of extinction;So are we prohibiting nations from preventing individuals from being forcibly removed?Stash Kroh wrote:Preventing a member of an isolated society from leaving their homeworldagainst their own will;
"You're such a jerk, ambassador," whispers the Deputy Ambassador.
"Might as well improve the resolution a little while we're sitting here."
"But the Free Republic isn't even in the WA any more!"
"Eh, I'm sure some future government will want to rejoin."
3. Suspends an isolated society's validity for the proposal's definition of "isolated society", if any inhabitant of the said community forcefully revokes a citizen of a member nation's freedom to physically leave the isolated society, while being fully aware, and cognizant of this document, the WA Doctrine of First Contact, and its content;
by A mean old man » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:44 pm
by Ilharessa » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:42 am
Stash Kroh wrote:Recognizing the existence of many remote societies who have been discovered over the years living on various continents, islands and distant planetary systems without any prior knowledge of intelligent life living among them,
by Tsukasa-chan » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:11 am
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Yes, I know its terrible, isn't it? -- How could the World Assembly expect for us, the pinnacle of civilization, to treat our loyalsavagestrade partners with respect, while refraining from killing off their species?
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:15 am
by Krioval » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:48 pm
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:How does this proposal restrict trade, ambassador?
by Kaesekartoffeln » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:20 pm
Stash Kroh wrote:(e) Establishing any sort of dependency between the isolated society and a member nation, that prevents the isolated society from being self-sustainable;
by Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:15 pm
Krioval wrote:Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:How does this proposal restrict trade, ambassador?
I admit that this was not directed at our delegation, but the Imperial Chiefdom finds that this proposal restricts trade and industry on several levels. First, it interferes with already-existing industry if an "isolated society" is located near an industrial base. It restricts potential trade partners unless we are willing to jump through the WA's bureaucratic hoops. It can strain existing trade routes if they pass closely to a newly discovered "isolated society".
Well, if an "isolated society" practices the blood sacrifice of intelligent beings, or if it sanctions the discrimination of beings by race, this proposal would severely restrict the actions that the Imperial Chiefdom could take to protect those threatened.
Further, if an "isolated society" was determined to exist within a WA nation's territory, this proposal would actually suspend the various international protections already in force in those areas, effectively tolerating discrimination - or worse.
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