Cup of Harmony 43, SOM & QPeMA bid thread.

[Somewhereistonia]

Cup of Harmony 42 43: Somewhereistonia & Queer Poco El Mono Ara

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Hosting Bid

We aim to for sensibly hosted competition, with responsible and mature handling of any issues with could arise during the competition. Whilst we all would rather any issues did not occur, this is always a possibility. We feel we can show a fair-handed approach to this whilst causing minimal disruption. Perhaps this is a good point to bring to attention the actions taken when Palmouth and Grittonia threatened to leave the tournament (thus ruin the tournament structure), the situation was quickly resolved with minimal disruption.

The nations of Somewhereistonia and Queer Poco El Mono Ara have been close allies ever since they both appeared in the region of Rushmore. The nations are close in every way possible, economically, geographically, politically and militarily (see Rushmore Defence Treaty). We even exploded a canal through the continent to make it easier to ship between the two nations.

Experience:

Somewhereistonia itself has hosted tournaments before, including Baptism of Fire 35. The nation has hosted the fourth Rugby League World Cup as well as the rugby club tournaments (the RWCC and Heroes' Cup).

Queer Poco's hosting experience isn't quite as extensive but it does include the multiple editions of the club football Princes' Shield as well as the Nakiti Robitics & Axx Software Opportunity Cup. This cup was hosted with Unreal229 (Somewhereistonia's puppet) and not only shows that Queer Poco and Somewhereistonia are reliable hosts but that we can work together well. Queer Poco has also successfully hosted the second Copa Rushmori.

Scorination:

Scorination will be done with NSFS 2.0.7 at around 8PM UTC. There will be no major difference to the normal running of the show, with role-play bonuses given on quality of RP rather than quantity. This is a tournament for roleplayers; as such there will be a maximum daily bonus of 2.5 KPB points. This will certainly not be easy to achieve, but it allows those who put effort in to gain a deserved bonus.

Telegrams will be sent to all who are eligible at the end of the qualifiers. The qualification for entry is to be one role-play post and a roster. Should the numbers work out better, teams without a roster or with a roster but no other role-play post will be granted entry. Minor variations to this (such as highly detailed rosters) will be made as we see fit.

Tournament Format:

This is highly reliant of numbers, but we will bring the tournament style as close to the norm as we can whilst excluding as few sign-ups as possible (hopefully none). Unlike Baptism of Fire 35, the tournament will take the familiar format of group stages followed by knock-outs. The size of groups will depend on the number of entrants.

[Liventia]

I've got no obvious issues with this bid that I can see on first glance, and I'm all for letting QPeMA host the CoH. The fact you've cohosted together before is a big plus.

[The Babbage Islands]

I threw a difficult question at the other bidders, in part to see how they handle difficult situations. This is not hypothetical; there is a nation in this exact position. In the interest of fairness, here we go again.

Nation Z, a puppet, entered World Cup 51 in response to the push to make the last set of numbers and posted a roster. Subsequently the organisers excluded Nation Z in favour of last-minute entries by non-puppet nations. Nation Z immediately responded by roleplaying official disappointment with the organisers' decision. Is Nation Z, by having entered the World Cup, posting a timely roster whilst still a valid entrant, and posting at least one RP, eligible for the Cup of Harmony?

Good luck with your bid.

[Newmanistan]

I have the same scenarios for you as I asked of the other bid:

Scenario: Person A controls two nations (his main and his puppet). Neither make the world cup. He roleplayed with A but not with B. He tries to get A and B into the Cup of Harmony. What is your response?

Scenario 2: Person A controls two nations (his main and his puppet). He's roleplayed with A but not B. A makes the World Cup. B doesn't. Do you allow B into the Cup of Harmony?

Scenario 3: Person fails to do anything during qualifying. On the final day of qualifying, and after the cutoff, they post a roster and make a RP knowing they had to do this to make the Cup of Harmony. Do you allow them in?

Could I see confirmation that neither of you would scorinate your own Cup of Harmony matches should you not make the World Cup?

I also didn't see any mention of how the pots will be seeded in regards to the group draw. In accordance to rank, or something random?

[Somewhereistonia]

Well, I'll give the simple answers first, then I'll venture into the potential complexities of the situation.

Nation Z, a puppet, entered World Cup 51 in response to the push to make the last set of numbers and posted a roster. Subsequently the organisers excluded Nation Z in favour of last-minute entries by non-puppet nations. Nation Z immediately responded by roleplaying official disappointment with the organisers' decision. Is Nation Z, by having entered the World Cup, posting a timely roster whilst still a valid entrant, and posting at least one RP, eligible for the Cup of Harmony?

As per the rules, if you are not in the World Cup, you cannot entry the Cup of Harmony.

Scenario: Person A controls two nations (his main and his puppet). Neither make the world cup. He roleplayed with A but not with B. He tries to get A and B into the Cup of Harmony. What is your response?

A is eligible. B is not.

Scenario 2: Person A controls two nations (his main and his puppet). He's roleplayed with A but not B. A makes the World Cup. B doesn't. Do you allow B into the Cup of Harmony?

No.

Scenario 3: Person fails to do anything during qualifying. On the final day of qualifying, and after the cutoff, they post a roster and make a RP knowing they had to do this to make the Cup of Harmony. Do you allow them in?

No. Unless of course they are needed to make up numbers, otherwise no.

Could I see confirmation that neither of you would scorinate your own Cup of Harmony matches should you not make the World Cup?

The plan is that we both qualify for the world cup, see More seriously, should either or both of us fail to qualify, we would not scorinate our own games and alternative arrangements would be made in the event that we ended up playing each other.

I also didn't see any mention of how the pots will be seeded in regards to the group draw. In accordance to rank, or something random?

By rank.

So, after all that is cleared, there are probably still going to be a couple of entries that are in the grey area.

From the bid: "The qualification for entry is to be one role-play post and a roster. Should the numbers work out better, teams without a roster or with a roster but no other role-play post will be granted entry. Minor variations to this (such as highly detailed rosters) will be made as we see fit."

Obviously, lack of a roster will probably exclude you from the Cup of Harmony. If having one more nation allows for a better fit, then it might be used. A highly detailed roster is, as far as I'm concerned, a legitimate way to add an extra one or two nations should it mean a better tournament. When it comes it it, we won't let anyone in if they haven't done anything - we will allow as many in up the the point already given (1 roleplay post and a separate roster). A decision to allow any extras to fill spaces will obviously be taken at the time. Someone who has done nothing - will not get in. Anyone not in world cup qualifying - will not get in. Someone who has done nothing but posted a basic roster - will almost certainly not get in. Someone who has posted a detailed roster - has an outside chance of getting in (with the detail in the roster counted as the required roleplay). Someone who has fulfilled our criteria - will get in (should they accept the invitation).

[Liventia]

Are you looking at style modifiers at all?

[Somewhereistonia]

Are you looking at style modifiers at all?

Normal +3/-3. Should have pointed that out really.

[Andrewboy]

What will be the tiebreakers in the groups?

[Somewhereistonia]

What will be the tiebreakers in the groups?

The Default NSFS tiebreakers will be used, these are (as stated in the readme file):

Points
Goal difference
Goals scored
Wins

Edit: Because CH is pedantic, I will now clear up the complication of the last unmentioned tiebreaker. Instead of using the automatic Alphabetical Order as the 5th tiebreaker, a random draw between tied teams will be made on the final day of the group stage should two teams still be tied. A random draw being fairer than a team getting through because their name is closer to AAAAAQAA. This ok CH?