NS Rugby Discussion Thread (v.2)

[Copper Cuprum]

As requested via TG:

Ancharmunn 15–3 Bostopia

[Terre Septentrionale]

Group A
Terre Septentrionale 16–0 Jeckland
Logria 11–6 Copper Cuprum

  Group A                  Pld   W  D  L   PF  PA  PD  Pts
1 Logria                     3   2  0  1   46  38  +8    4
2 Copper Cuprum              3   2  0  1   61  24 +37    4
3 Terre Septentrionale       3   2  0  1   46  41  +5    4
4 Jeckland                   3   0  0  3   15  65 −50    0

Logria ahead of Copper Cuprum on head-to-head results; Copper Cuprum ahead of Terre Septentrionale on head-to-head results

I don't understand how the tie break works because Terre Septentrionale beat Logria 23-20 so why we're at the bottom? I think in a triple tie, H2H results are 1-1 for all three teams and you should go to the next tie break, which is H2H points difference. Let's take a look at the results:

Terre Septentrionale 23–20 Logria
Copper Cuprum 21–7 Terre Septentrionale
Logria 11–6 Copper Cuprum

Copper Cuprum: +9
Logria: +2
Terre Septentrionale: -11

Well, we're still at the bottom. xD

The same applies with group G:

Darmen 3–0 Trolleborg
Darmen 11–20 Natanians and Nosts
Natanians and Nosts 0–9 Trolleborg

Trolleborg: +6
Natanians and Nosts: 0
Darmen: -6

[Copper Cuprum]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Due to an unexpected family commitment, I will be unable to score MD4 today/tonight; therefore everyone now has an additional 32 hours to their rest day before the RLWC resumes. Apologies in advance for the delay.

@ Terre Sep: Apologies for the group mixups. I'll try to get them fixed soon enough.

[Bostopia]

Thank you for Copper Cuprum for hosting this RLWC. I hope you enjoyed reading my RPs as much as I did writing them and competing in the tournament. See you all again next time round.

[Copper Cuprum]

The Grand Final of Rugby League World Cup XIX is now live!

Congratulations to the winner and commiserations to the loser.

[Ko-oren]

Thanks for running a great tournament! Congrats and commisserations where applicable!

[TJUN-ia]

Congrats to the victors, commiserations to the losers.

Good tournament, overall. Copper Cuprum has been a great host and I look forward to the future.

[Hannasea]

Despite doing many RU tournaments I'd never participated in a RL tournament before, and it was fun, seconding everyone else's compliments to the host.

One small... not complaint, but query... which is not directed to the host, but the scorinator seems to produce an unusually large number of odd scores. (By odd I mean literally, mathematically, an odd number, n +1, not odd as in unexpected.) In RL, an odd score can only be a result of kicking a drop goal, because all other scores are even. Drop goals are less common in RL than RU; indeed they usually only make sense in close games. Looking through the most RL RLWC (RL RL, heh) I can see only two scores in the entire tournament that were odd.

I was lucky that in my Ancharmunn game the drop goal factor actually played very nicely into the RP narrative, but elsewhere a lot of the scores led to some head scratching as to why teams would be kicking drop goals. Has anyone looked into whether the frequency of drop goals in the scorinator is adjustable?

(Just to repeat, none of this is a complaint about CC's hosting; he did a fine job.)

[Neu Engollon]

Congrats and Commiserations! That was an exciting Cup. Thanks to Copper/Abanhfleft for hosting. The Goats will be back next RLWC to get revenge (and get revenged on, apparently. )

Stay tuned for the AVBF 7's #6 Sign up thread to be posted.

[Elejamie]

No congratulations for the winner from me for obvious reasons but I will offer congratulations to Copper Curpum (and to an extent their master Abanhfleft) for hosting a great tournament instead, as well as commiserations to the runner-up and to everyone else. And apologies to Ancharmunn for beating you three times. You will get your revenge, don't you worry.

P.S. To a number of those who took part who haven't in the past (TJUN-ia, Ancharmunn, Bostopia, Hannasea, et al), some brilliant RPs from you all and I sincerely hope you return for the next Rugby League World Cup. And I also hope that, if you haven't participated in one already already, we see you again for future rugby tournaments here.

[Neu Engollon]

AVBF Rugby 7's (#6) Sign Ups are now open

[Darmen]

Has anyone looked into whether the frequency of drop goals in the scorinator is adjustable?

I've had a look at the files for the NSFS and SQIS formulas and it appears as though editing the values under attackCoeffs might have the desired effect. I'm not an expert in this area however, so if someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, that'd be great.

I've also updated the league rankings and added a link to the friendlies thread in the OP so that scores for friendly matches can be posted there rather than in this thread. Please let me know if you notice any mistakes in the rankings.

[Northwest Kalactin]

Has anyone looked into whether the frequency of drop goals in the scorinator is adjustable?

I've had a look at the files for the NSFS and SQIS formulas and it appears as though editing the values under attackCoeffs might have the desired effect. I'm not an expert in this area however, so if someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, that'd be great.

This looks to be correct.
If you adjust the attackCoeff for the drop goals value in this formula, make sure to balance out out the attackCoeff for the 2 point (conversion and penalties) value also.

[Neu Engollon]

Everything thread is up for the 6th AVBF R7s

[Bostopia]

I've had a look at the files for the NSFS and SQIS formulas and it appears as though editing the values under attackCoeffs might have the desired effect. I'm not an expert in this area however, so if someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, that'd be great.

This looks to be correct.
If you adjust the attackCoeff for the drop goals value in this formula, make sure to balance out out the attackCoeff for the 2 point (conversion and penalties) value also.

If someone amends this and tells me what I need to do (download links etc.), I'd be happy to do some test-runs of the scorinator. Got a basic domestic league going I could plug into it or something. Also: more league world cups please.

[Elejamie]

Apologies for the not good RP, I'm using a tablet and free supermarket WiFi. I'd also like to point out to everyone that, while there probably won't be another league world cup for a while and I'm not sure when the IRLCC will be if you want to set up a newswire Bostopia, we are open to more sevens tournaments if there's anyone interested. So if you've got a good idea of how you want to do it and Xkoranate on your computer, feel free to get a bid up.

[Indigenous Rabbitohs]

This looks to be correct.
If you adjust the attackCoeff for the drop goals value in this formula, make sure to balance out out the attackCoeff for the 2 point (conversion and penalties) value also.

If someone amends this and tells me what I need to do (download links etc.), I'd be happy to do some test-runs of the scorinator. Got a basic domestic league going I could plug into it or something. Also: more league world cups please.

https://ufile.io/jbvpsu43

Hello! I modified the scoring and also the types of scoring for rugby league's SQIS format to make it more in line with NRL, and after running some tests this appears much closer.

I tested it a few times, but here is the result of my most recent, with each team's rating set to their number of wins in the 2019 season and a max of 20.

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                         Pld    W   D   L    PF   PA   PD   Pts
 1 Storm                  24   17   0   7   598  414 +184    51
 2 Sharks                 24   16   1   7   556  500  +56    49
 3 Broncos                24   15   2   7   616  492 +124    47
 4 Roosters               24   15   1   8   537  439  +98    46
 5 Rabbitohs              24   14   2   8   629  469 +160    44
 6 Raiders                24   14   2   8   573  457 +116    44
 7 Panthers               24   14   1   9   551  539  +12    43
 8 Bulldogs               24   11   1  12   481  541  −60    34
 9 Warriors               24   11   0  13   524  534  −10    33
10 Sea Eagles             24   10   2  12   566  496  +70    32
11 Tigers                 24   10   0  14   501  559  −58    30
12 Eels                   24    9   2  13   500  482  +18    29
13 Knights                24    8   2  14   542  670 −128    26
14 Cowboys                24    7   0  17   387  523 −136    21
15 Titans                 24    6   1  17   341  589 −248    19
16 Dragons                24    5   3  16   376  574 −198    18


Close enough to the real 2019 ladder https://afltables.com/rl/seas/2019.html to feel significant but still different enough to feel like a fun game. The scoring is much more accurate- the existing SQIS had scoring at about half the NRL level.

Now, the drop goals were the bigger concern- I actually had to tinker with the numbers to a little below what seemed to be the actual rate (about 2.8% of non-try scoring were drop goals in real life), but this file got it down to 54 odd numbered game scores in my test- the real NRL season had 37 field goals, so its' still a tiny bit more common but I'll allow it. I've long though teams should go for it a little more often if they're in range, you get about ~40 sets per match so to end one when you're about 20 metres away without scoring is disappointing, who cares if they get seven tackles from deep in their possession?

[Ko-oren]

Thanks! I'm testing it out on my domestic competition. I like the scoring, which seems to be a little higher from what it was before. The drop goals make a lot more sense now.

I'm having a (possibly anecdotal) problem where negative style mods seem to overperform, and positive style mods regularly underperform. Like I said, it's probably anecdotal, but something to look into.

[Indigenous Rabbitohs]

Thanks for the feedback! I understand that part of the file a little less, and as far as I know I did not touch it, I didn’t add style modifiers to my NRL tests but I will tinker with it some more after tonight’s footy.

[Ko-oren]

Before I send you on a wild goose chase, I did some experiments at various style mods (max. skill 100, all teams set to skill 75, additive style mods, no home advantage)

1 Pos 3                  100    60    4   36   2189  1739  +450    248
 2 Neg 5                  100    51    4   45   1561  1481   +80    212
 3 Pos 1                  100    50    4   46   1791  1795    −4    208
 4 Pos 5                  100    49    5   46   2280  2204   +76    206
 5 Neg 3                  100    47    6   47   1606  1622   −16    200
 6 Pos 4                  100    46    6   48   1925  1961   −36    196
 7 Neg 1                  100    46    5   49   1743  1777   −34    194
 8 Pos 2                  100    45    7   48   1802  1948  −146    194
 9 Neg 2                  100    44    7   49   1529  1639  −110    190
10 Zero                   100    40   10   50   1772  1942  −170    180
11 Neg 4                  100    41    4   55   1534  1624   −90    172

1 Pos 5                  100    58    8   34   2155  1933  +222    248
 2 Neg 4                  100    55    2   43   1655  1541  +114    224
 3 Pos 4                  100    54    4   42   2002  1846  +156    224
 4 Zero                   100    51    6   43   1871  1749  +122    216
 5 Pos 3                  100    50    4   46   2007  1945   +62    208
 6 Neg 5                  100    48    6   46   1435  1407   +28    204
 7 Neg 3                  100    48    6   46   1649  1627   +22    204
 8 Pos 1                  100    41    9   50   1910  2114  −204    182
 9 Neg 1                  100    38    9   53   1624  1802  −178    170
10 Neg 2                  100    39    6   55   1601  1771  −170    168
11 Pos 2                  100    34    8   58   1943  2117  −174    152

Interesting to see that the 'moderate' styles (between -2 and +2) seem to do worse, but not alarmingly so, and there's no difference between negative or positive styles. In fact, in these samples it seems the Positives are doing better, as opposed to what I spotted in my own league (where all style mods are between -2 and +2).

Also the Bulldogs might actually be winning this? I like both the Bulldogs and the Rabbitohs, so I'm getting a loss and a win no matter what. Kicking Brisbane down into the wooden spoon should be worth it though.

[Indigenous Rabbitohs]

Before I send you on a wild goose chase, I did some experiments at various style mods (max. skill 100, all teams set to skill 75, additive style mods, no home advantage)

1 Pos 3                  100    60    4   36   2189  1739  +450    248
 2 Neg 5                  100    51    4   45   1561  1481   +80    212
 3 Pos 1                  100    50    4   46   1791  1795    −4    208
 4 Pos 5                  100    49    5   46   2280  2204   +76    206
 5 Neg 3                  100    47    6   47   1606  1622   −16    200
 6 Pos 4                  100    46    6   48   1925  1961   −36    196
 7 Neg 1                  100    46    5   49   1743  1777   −34    194
 8 Pos 2                  100    45    7   48   1802  1948  −146    194
 9 Neg 2                  100    44    7   49   1529  1639  −110    190
10 Zero                   100    40   10   50   1772  1942  −170    180
11 Neg 4                  100    41    4   55   1534  1624   −90    172

1 Pos 5                  100    58    8   34   2155  1933  +222    248
 2 Neg 4                  100    55    2   43   1655  1541  +114    224
 3 Pos 4                  100    54    4   42   2002  1846  +156    224
 4 Zero                   100    51    6   43   1871  1749  +122    216
 5 Pos 3                  100    50    4   46   2007  1945   +62    208
 6 Neg 5                  100    48    6   46   1435  1407   +28    204
 7 Neg 3                  100    48    6   46   1649  1627   +22    204
 8 Pos 1                  100    41    9   50   1910  2114  −204    182
 9 Neg 1                  100    38    9   53   1624  1802  −178    170
10 Neg 2                  100    39    6   55   1601  1771  −170    168
11 Pos 2                  100    34    8   58   1943  2117  −174    152

Interesting to see that the 'moderate' styles (between -2 and +2) seem to do worse, but not alarmingly so, and there's no difference between negative or positive styles. In fact, in these samples it seems the Positives are doing better, as opposed to what I spotted in my own league (where all style mods are between -2 and +2).

Also the Bulldogs might actually be winning this? I like both the Bulldogs and the Rabbitohs, so I'm getting a loss and a win no matter what. Kicking Brisbane down into the wooden spoon should be worth it though.

Very interesting, I'm green-ish to modifying these files so is that a usual feature of the SQIS formula or is this unusual?

And...yeah. Humiliating!!! No heart at all in the Bunnies today, I suppose a Broncos wooden spoon is worth it, we're not on the Chooks/Storm/Panthers level.

[Abanhfleft]

Hey, I also tested out the new rugby league formula, and I noticed that the scores are now just even-even or odd-odd, like 20-14 or 19-11.

Not sure if this is a problem or a feature or whatever, but in the old formula I saw matches ending odd-even, like 10-5 or 21-16. Now when one team has an odd score the other team also has an odd score. Just something I observed.

Scores from SQIS formula:
21–0
14–8
5–6
4–12
10–15
18–16
8–12
8–13
0–2

Scores from new NRL formula:
22–20
24–8
24–26
23–27
22–0
10–4
23–3
37–17
28–16

Scores of interest have been highlighted.

[Northwest Kalactin]

Coffs International 7’s Series Bid

if anyone can make a logo hmu

IC Info
The tournament will be hosted in the Kalactanian City of Coffs Harbour. Coffs Harbour is the city that is known most for Rugby in Northwest Kalactin. They are home to the Coffs Harbour Hawks, who are one of the strongest teams in the Kalactanian Rugby Union Championship. They also have one of the strongest Rugby League clubs in the nation, who managed to qualify to a IRLCC. The tournament will be held at the Coffs Rugby Centre, which is the largest stadium in the nation.

The climate in Northwest Kalactin is a very hot one, reaching temperatures over 100 in the summer, despite this, the tournament will be hosted in the Late Fall in NWK, were the weather tends to be around 65 Degrees Fahrenheit. There is usually no rain, although the Coffs Harbour area tends to experience more rain than usual, due to the close proximity to the coast.

Northwest Kalactin is in anarchy, due to a series of tragic events. Security can be promised for foreign visitors and players, however, partly due to the fact that foreign nations are able to extradite and try Kalactanian citizens for crimes in the courts of a victim's nation.

Timing
I plan to hold the tournament Early to Mid December. This should allow for the NSRB RWC to finish before it starts, and ensure the next NSRB competition after it does not have conflicting timing.

Scorinator and RP Bonus
xkoranate’s Rugby 7’s function will be used, with a generous and cumulative RP Bonus. The latest NSRB sponsored ranks will be used in scorination.

Format
Teams will compete for 3 different competitions: The Trophy, The Plate and the Bowl

16 Teams: 4 Groups of 4; Group Winners+ Second Placed Teams Qualify for Trophy, Third Place Qualify to Plate, Fourth Place Qualify for Bowl
20 Teams: 4 Groups of 5; Group Winners+3 Best Second Place Qualify towards Trophy, Next 8 Best Placed Teams Qualify for Plate, Last 4 Qualify For Bowl
24 Teams: 6 Groups of 4; Top 8 Qualify for Trophy; Next 8 Qualify Towards Plate, Next 8 Qualify towards Bowl

Experience
AOHC 7
Melayu Archipelago Cup 5
All India Cup 1
Domestic Leagues
Gold Coast Basketball Tournament
WLC XXXV (ongoing)
NSCF Mineral Conference (ongoing)

Tiebreakers
Points
H2H
H2H PD
PD
Fair Play (OOC: RP Bonus)

[Hutanjia]

The RUWC 29 Everything Thread

[Darmen]

The rankings for union have been updated. Please let me know if you spot any errors.

With regards to the timing of the next World Cup, if Northwest Kalactin is still planning on hosting the Coffs International 7’s, now would be the time to do that, as the next World Cup will be the Sevens World Cup (unless there are any strong objections that League be next instead), which would follow pretty soon thereafter. If NK has changed his mind about hosting the sevens tourney, or decided to host it at a latter time, then I'm inclined to open the signups for the Sevens World Cup in the next two to three weeks with a targeted start date of early/mid-January for the Sevens World Cup.

I will of course confer with my colleagues on the Executive Council to make sure they agree with the plan and what not, but since I don't foresee much in the way of disagreement, assume this is the plan for now.