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*SUBMITTED* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:01 am

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_pro ... 0/start=15

1. OUTRAGED that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" does not involve international relations, and is merely forcing a law upon the nations of the World Assembly and their people.

2a. While NOTICING that many nations are very religious; some by traditional practice, some even by law.

2b. And ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" infringes upon any nations' religious beliefs involving the protection of life.

3a. NOTING that "Dignified End of Life Choices" states, as quoted:

"This resolution shall not preclude a nation from enacting an assisted suicide law that is less or more restrictive than this resolution, so long as said law complies with Sections 4 (D) and 4 (E)."

3b. NOTICING that this allows for heavy restrictions on euthanasia, which could be taken advantage of by member nations.

3c. REALISING that point 3a essentially renders the majority of the resolution moot.

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Dignified End of Life Choices".
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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby Bisgea » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:53 am

Try adding this before the therefore line:


NOTICING the fact that most nations are very religious and are against the said resolution,
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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby Absolvability » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:33 am

Bisgea wrote:NOTICING the fact that most nations are very religious and are against the said resolution,

While I believe that religion is a terrible foundation for political views, this point is more persuasive than what the proposal currently entails.

The Kaedans wrote:Therefore still allowing the Nations of the World Assembly to pass laws amongst themselves to ban euthanasia.

OOC: There was a mod ruling that the resolution disallowed nations from banning euthenasia, though they may enact rather strict policies regarding it.
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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby Serbian_Soviet_Union » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:14 pm

Not gonna happen because there are many idiots out there that will approve just about anything without actually reading whats printed on the text and without taking the time consider the decision what and how this will effect their own nation after realising it having negative effects such as on the economy and etc. Then everyone starts complaining about it and tries to get the resolution repealed. Well it's tough luck because you guys were the ones that approved it or voted for the proposal to pass in the first place so now deal with it or leave the WA. Then we have thousands of idiots just clicking the approve button for the sake of it saying on their screen you have voted for the proposal so that it looks good for them and to make them feel like they have a say in something.
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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:24 am

Serbian_Soviet_Union wrote:Not gonna happen because there are many idiots out there that will approve just about anything without actually reading whats printed on the text and without taking the time consider the decision what and how this will effect their own nation after realising it having negative effects such as on the economy and etc. Then everyone starts complaining about it and tries to get the resolution repealed. Well it's tough luck because you guys were the ones that approved it or voted for the proposal to pass in the first place so now deal with it or leave the WA. Then we have thousands of idiots just clicking the approve button for the sake of it saying on their screen you have voted for the proposal so that it looks good for them and to make them feel like they have a say in something.


For the record, I voted against it.
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:32 am

The Kaedans wrote:For the record, I voted against it.


As did I.

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Postby Rutianas » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:40 am

Serbian_Soviet_Union wrote:Not gonna happen because there are many idiots out there that will approve just about anything without actually reading whats printed on the text and without taking the time consider the decision what and how this will effect their own nation after realising it having negative effects such as on the economy and etc. Then everyone starts complaining about it and tries to get the resolution repealed. Well it's tough luck because you guys were the ones that approved it or voted for the proposal to pass in the first place so now deal with it or leave the WA. Then we have thousands of idiots just clicking the approve button for the sake of it saying on their screen you have voted for the proposal so that it looks good for them and to make them feel like they have a say in something.


This may be true in some cases, however, the fact that some resolutions actually fail kind of destroys your argument there. People aren't voting for things to say they did or every single resolution would pass.

Oh, and I voted against it. I would vote for a well thought out repeal.

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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby Bears Armed » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:27 am

The Kaedans wrote:I said I'd do it, so here it is. I'm not a Delegate, so someone else will have to submit it when we're done working on it.

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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
The Kaedans wrote:I said I'd do it, so here it is. I'm not a Delegate, so someone else will have to submit it when we're done working on it.

OOC: You don't need to be a Delegate before you can submit proposals, you just need to have at least two 'endorsements'.


OOC: Either way, I'm ineligible.
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Postby Morlago » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:55 pm

What's wrong legalizing euthanasia? The Resolution clearly states it is at the choice of the patient whether to be administered drugs or not.
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Re: *DRAFT* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:17 pm

It's more of an issue of national sovereignty. It's not an international issue.
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Postby The Kaedans » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:46 pm

UPDATED 7/30/2009
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Re: DRAFT Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" UPDATE- 7/30/09

Postby Hirota » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:30 pm

The Kaedans wrote:NOTING that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" does not involve international relations, and is merely forcing a law upon the nations of the World Assembly and their people.
I'm not sure the legislation is forcing anything upon any people. If this was restrictive legislation then sure, but it's not as if people have to decide to die.
While NOTICING that many nations are very religious; some in practice, some even in law.
Not sure you can say "practising" religion is the sign of a very religious nation.
And ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" infringes upon any nations' religious beliefs involving the protection of life.
But what about the populace?
Also ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End of Life Choices" states, as quoted:

"This resolution shall not preclude a nation from enacting an assisted suicide law that is less or more restrictive than this resolution, so long as said law complies with Sections 4 (D) and 4 (E)."

Therefore, while not allowing the Nations of the World Assembly to pass laws amongst themselves to outright ban euthanasia, still allows for heavy restrictions, which could be taken advantage of by member nations.

REALISING that the above essentially renders the vast majority of the resolution moot.

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Dignified End of Life Choices".
Can't argue with your reasons there.

I guess my main issue is the reason you are repealing this doesn't seem to match what you feel is weak about the proposal.

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Re: DRAFT Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" UPDATE- 7/30/09

Postby Kaesekartoffeln » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:40 pm

The Kaedans wrote:And ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" infringes upon any nations' religious beliefs involving the protection of life.

Also ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End of Life Choices" states, as quoted:
It would sound better if you didn't use "acknowledging" 2 lines in a row.

The Kaedans wrote:Therefore, while not allowing the Nations of the World Assembly to pass laws amongst themselves to outright ban euthanasia, still allows for heavy restrictions, which could be taken advantage of by member nations.

REALISING that the above essentially renders the vast majority of the resolution moot.

Both of those could probably be worded better. Sorry to pick out the little things, but it might help.
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Re: DRAFT Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" UPDATE- 7/30/09

Postby The Kaedans » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:31 pm

Updated.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:14 pm

The Nationalist Federation of Greater Americania will approve this when it officially becomes a proposal.

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Re: DRAFT Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" UPDATE- 7/31/09

Postby The Kaedans » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:27 am

Updated 7/31/2009
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Re: *SUBMITTED* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:47 pm

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_pro ... 1/start=10

1. OUTRAGED that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" does not involve international relations, and is merely forcing a law upon the nations of the World Assembly and their people.

2a. While NOTICING that many nations are very religious; some by traditional practice, some even by law.

2b. And ACKNOWLEDGING that "Dignified End-of-Life Choices" infringes upon any nations' religious beliefs involving the protection of life.

3a. NOTING that "Dignified End of Life Choices" states, as quoted:

"This resolution shall not preclude a nation from enacting an assisted suicide law that is less or more restrictive than this resolution, so long as said law complies with Sections 4 (D) and 4 (E)."

3b. NOTICING that this allows for heavy restrictions on euthanasia, which could be taken advantage of by member nations.

3c. REALISING that point 3a essentially renders the majority of the resolution moot.

The World Assembly hereby repeals "Dignified End of Life Choices".


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Re: *SUBMITTED* Repeal "Dignified End-of-Life Choices"

Postby The Kaedans » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:42 pm

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