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Postby The People of Belfast » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:12 am

Great Nepal wrote:Abortion should be legal and she should be able to opt out of pregnancy if she wants; it is a lot different from saying she must have abortion.


Even this resolution doesn't argue that. The World Assembly has somewhat agreed that the general policy of Abortion should be left to the member states. The Resolution tries to create some areas where it should be universal. I agree that it should be permited to save a woman's life but not to allow abortion on demand for those under the age of consent.
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Postby Nulono » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:13 am

I see nothing religious about this repeal.
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Postby St George of England » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:16 am

Nulono wrote:I see nothing religious about this repeal.

Apart from the nation proposing it, and the obvious bias CD possesses? :eyebrow:
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Postby Urgench » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:17 am

Ad Vitam Adsum wrote:If "On Abortion" passes, as it appears it will, with any sizable majority. What hope do you have in passing a repeal?

Also, do you understand the ironic twist of events leading up to this event. I think that if it wasn't cor Christian Democrat's insistence on pushing hopeless anti-abortion bills through the WA, there would not have been this level of attention regarding the issue and the "On Abortion" resolution may not have been drafted. I find it hilarious that CD's efforts have ultimately led to an a resolution which will increase abortions :rofl:



Indeed this is correct. Were it not for the relentless efforts of extreme misogynists and superstitionists to push bans on abortion through the WA we would not now be having to vote on a resolution which vouchsafes the barest minimum of protection to billions of women throughout the WA.


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Postby Sremski okrug » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:32 am

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Great Nepal wrote:Abortion should be legal and she should be able to opt out of pregnancy if she wants; it is a lot different from saying she must have abortion.


Even this resolution doesn't argue that. The World Assembly has somewhat agreed that the general policy of Abortion should be left to the member states. The Resolution tries to create some areas where it should be universal. I agree that it should be permited to save a woman's life but not to allow abortion on demand for those under the age of consent.


So if someone in your nation under your legal age of consent was pressured into sexual intercourse and got pregnant you'd allow this child to be born to an under-prepared mother with little/no education. :palm:
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Postby Tsim Sha Tsui » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:34 am

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Mousebumples wrote:So you plan on resubmitting this weekly for the end of time?

If "On Abortion" passes, this proposal is done.


Does the honorable delegate from Christian Democrats remember this conversation? Because I would like to believe you are a man of your word.
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Postby Nulono » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:36 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
The People of Belfast wrote:
Even this resolution doesn't argue that. The World Assembly has somewhat agreed that the general policy of Abortion should be left to the member states. The Resolution tries to create some areas where it should be universal. I agree that it should be permited to save a woman's life but not to allow abortion on demand for those under the age of consent.


So if someone in your nation under your legal age of consent was pressured into sexual intercourse and got pregnant you'd allow this child to be born to an under-prepared mother with little/no education. :palm:
Because OBVIOUSLY the better option is to put the child to death.

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Nulono wrote:I see nothing religious about this repeal.

Apart from the nation proposing it, and the obvious bias CD possesses? :eyebrow:

I address ideas, not people. The proposal itself is secular.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:42 am

Nulono wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
So if someone in your nation under your legal age of consent was pressured into sexual intercourse and got pregnant you'd allow this child to be born to an under-prepared mother with little/no education. :palm:
Because OBVIOUSLY the better option is to put the child to death.

I am tired of saying this, perhaps I should record it in my phone and play it until "on abortion" passes thus sealing whole debate; regardless again, a child isn't same as fetus. Fetus is a parasite which sucks food and air from mother while giving nothing to her if she doesn't want child; not to mention the risks.
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Postby The People of Belfast » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:47 am

Sremski okrug wrote:
The People of Belfast wrote:
Even this resolution doesn't argue that. The World Assembly has somewhat agreed that the general policy of Abortion should be left to the member states. The Resolution tries to create some areas where it should be universal. I agree that it should be permited to save a woman's life but not to allow abortion on demand for those under the age of consent.


So if someone in your nation under your legal age of consent was pressured into sexual intercourse and got pregnant you'd allow this child to be born to an under-prepared mother with little/no education. :palm:


Yes. I believe life is more important than quality of life. I believe a child in a bad situation is better than the child being dead.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:48 am

The People of Belfast wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
So if someone in your nation under your legal age of consent was pressured into sexual intercourse and got pregnant you'd allow this child to be born to an under-prepared mother with little/no education. :palm:


Yes. I believe life is more important than quality of life. I believe a child in a bad situation is better than the child being dead.

Than lower your age of consent. Perhaps cancel whole age of consent thing.
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Postby The People of Belfast » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:51 am

Great Nepal wrote:
The People of Belfast wrote:
Yes. I believe life is more important than quality of life. I believe a child in a bad situation is better than the child being dead.

Than lower your age of consent. Perhaps cancel whole age of consent thing.


No. I believe in an age of majority. Just because a child smokes doesn't mean I'm going to lower the age of smoking. Just because a child drinks doesn't mean I'm going to lower the drinking age.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:53 am

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Great Nepal wrote:Than lower your age of consent. Perhaps cancel whole age of consent thing.


No. I believe in an age of majority. Just because a child smokes doesn't mean I'm going to lower the age of smoking. Just because a child drinks doesn't mean I'm going to lower the drinking age.

So you want a 12 year old girl's life ruined without even experiencing one of most important part of their life; just cos she had sex with someone in school? Or worst, was pressured by peers to take such action?
And all that for what? A parasite survival?
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Postby Nulono » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:54 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Nulono wrote:Because OBVIOUSLY the better option is to put the child to death.

I am tired of saying this, perhaps I should record it in my phone and play it until "on abortion" passes thus sealing whole debate; regardless again, a child isn't same as fetus. Fetus is a parasite which sucks food and air from mother while giving nothing to her if she doesn't want child; not to mention the risks.

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Postby The People of Belfast » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:55 am

Great Nepal wrote:
The People of Belfast wrote:
No. I believe in an age of majority. Just because a child smokes doesn't mean I'm going to lower the age of smoking. Just because a child drinks doesn't mean I'm going to lower the drinking age.

So you want a 12 year old girl's life ruined without even experiencing one of most important part of their life; just cos she had sex with someone in school? Or worst, was pressured by peers to take such action?


No but after the fact I want people to take the consequences of their actions. I would like to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place but after she is already pregnant then I believe abortion is the greater of the two evils.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:06 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Rather ironic coming from a nation whose own proposal is an attempt to completely remove abortion rights except in certain rare circumstances.

My original proposal would have allowed legalized abortion for the first 24 weeks of pregnancy; my second proposal would have allowed legalized abortion for the first 30 weeks of pregnancy. A full-term pregnancy lasts about 40 weeks. How long should abortion be legal?
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
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GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:10 pm

Teshuva wrote:This is quite disrespectful towards democracy and the established mechanics of political debate on the WA. If your view on the subject is not that of the majority of member nations, it is a shame you simply can't accept it.

This wouldn't be the first attempted instant repeal, and, if this would pass, it wouldn't be the first instant repeal to be adopted.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
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GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
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GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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#360: Electile Dysfunction
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Postby Terraius » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:11 pm

I see a lot of 'her' and 'she', since when does the rights and opinions of the father go out the window? Because both parents don't give birth one has more rights then the other? Ludicrous, the abortion proposal only encourages sexual discrimination besides the other fallacies having to concern rape abortions for children who would otherwise lead normal lives.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:15 pm

The People of Belfast wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:So you want a 12 year old girl's life ruined without even experiencing one of most important part of their life; just cos she had sex with someone in school? Or worst, was pressured by peers to take such action?


No but after the fact I want people to take the consequences of their actions. I would like to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place but after she is already pregnant then I believe abortion is the greater of the two evils.

Oh really? I will be compelled to inquire you about your definition of evil, if you consider taking parasite out of body to be greater "evil" than a sensible woman not destroying her life just due to one days mistake. Even if you can consider removal of parasite as evil, which we dont.
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Postby St George of England » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:17 pm

Terraius wrote:I see a lot of 'her' and 'she', since when does the rights and opinions of the father go out the window? Because both parents don't give birth one has more rights then the other? Ludicrous, the abortion proposal only encourages sexual discrimination besides the other fallacies having to concern rape abortions for children who would otherwise lead normal lives.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:18 pm

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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Nulono » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:24 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The People of Belfast wrote:
No but after the fact I want people to take the consequences of their actions. I would like to prevent her getting pregnant in the first place but after she is already pregnant then I believe abortion is the greater of the two evils.

Oh really? I will be compelled to inquire you about your definition of evil, if you consider taking parasite out of body to be greater "evil" than a sensible woman not destroying her life just due to one days mistake. Even if you can consider removal of parasite as evil, which we dont.

Killing an innocent person is worst than psychological trauma.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:26 pm

Nulono wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Oh really? I will be compelled to inquire you about your definition of evil, if you consider taking parasite out of body to be greater "evil" than a sensible woman not destroying her life just due to one days mistake. Even if you can consider removal of parasite as evil, which we dont.

Killing an innocent person is worst than psychological trauma.

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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:27 pm

Nulono wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Oh really? I will be compelled to inquire you about your definition of evil, if you consider taking parasite out of body to be greater "evil" than a sensible woman not destroying her life just due to one days mistake. Even if you can consider removal of parasite as evil, which we dont.

Killing an innocent person is worst than psychological trauma.

Except that they're not...that's the doctor's job, and I'm sure they can live with it. Also, it's irrelevant.
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Postby Terraius » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:28 pm

We would like to remind the delegation of Great Nepal that they do not get to define the standard of fetus and human in any other nation then their own and would do best to remember that.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:28 pm

Jesoland wrote:[W]e have succeeded in carving out incest as a cause for abortions

I was the one who first questioned the presence of the incest exception.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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