Numismatics Appreciation Act

[Grays Harbor]

His Majesties Government, through the Ministry of Culture, would urge all WA Delegates to approve this resolution. The collecting and appreciation of a nations coins and banknotes is one of the best ways to get a feel for that nations image of themselves and what they hold important. It should also be noted that coins and banknotes, and the painstaking and exacting engraving that goes into them are in themselves miniature works of art. The WANA would be a very good step in the preservation of these works of art, and a fine means of promoting the hobby and study of coins and banknotes.

Please consider approving this proposal and give it an opportunity to be voted on by the WA community at large.

Thank You for your consideration.

Numismatics Appreciation Act
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Buffett and Colbert

Description: APPLAUDING the attempt by many nations to preserve and promote their cultural heritage,

NOTING that the cultural heritage of a nation may span a wide range of topics,

RECOGNIZING a nation's currency in both coin and paper form are a monumental part of the history of a nation,

DEFINING a coin as a form of currency that is often metallic,

ALSO DEFINING a banknote as a form of currency that is often made from paper or paper-like materials,

1. Establishes the World Assembly Nusmismatics Authority (WANA) in the effort to educate the general public about the value of their nation's currency,

2. Dictates WANA shall be funded by the World Assembly General Fund and through donations made by willing nations and individuals,

3. Charges WANA with the duties of:

a) collecting samples of nations' currency through donations of money and/or actual currency and displaying them in museums accesible to the public of an individual nation,

b) holding seminars in willing nations about the appreciation, collection and preservation of currency for a nation's public to enjoy,

c) preserving the samples collected as best to the organization's ability so they may be appreciated by future generation,

4. Assures that no nation is obligated to be active with WANA.

[Rutianas]

4. Assures that no nation is obligated to be active with WANA.

We'll opt out. And in doing so, declare the proposal to be illegal on grounds of optionality.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

[Buffett and Colbert]

4. Assures that no nation is obligated to be active with WANA.

We'll opt out. And in doing so, declare the proposal to be illegal on grounds of optionality.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

It still creates the organization. It's there and it exists. The point is not to force it down your throat. This is different than letting only those who wanted to to participate in let's say, a proposal that bans guns.

[Greenlandic People]

4. Assures that no nation is obligated to be active with WANA.

We'll opt out. And in doing so, declare the proposal to be illegal on grounds of optionality.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

It still creates the organization. It's there and it exists. The point is not to force it down your throat. This is different than letting only those who wanted to to participate in let's say, a proposal that bans guns.

But for a proposal to be legal, it cannot be optional. You can suggest and 'beseech', but a proposal has to have an unavoidable concrete effect on all member nations.

[Buffett and Colbert]

But for a proposal to be legal, it cannot be optional. You can suggest and 'beseech', but a proposal has to have an unavoidable concrete effect on all member nations.

Well, I'm sure you know better than me. It's what I get for not being bothered to post it here first.

I could resubmit it again with changes after it's time is up, correct?

EDIT-- I usually stick to NSG.

[Sanctaria]

Perhaps you should have something like "URGES all nations to be active with the WANA". That would be deemed legal.

[Rutianas]

Perhaps you should have something like "URGES all nations to be active with the WANA". That would be deemed legal.

Urging is not mandating. It's still optional.

[Sanctaria]

I'm pretty sure for Mild Resolutions, urging is ok to use. I know because I had the thread dictating what is and isn't legal open in another tab.

[Rutianas]

It can urge all it wants. Because it's urging only, we'll have nothing to do with any of it. Therefore, it's illegal. If we can ignore a resolution all together, it's got to be illegal. It does nothing other than create a committee.

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

Note the bolded section.

The proposal is illegal as written. If not for optionality, then for the fact it just creates a committee, gives it a couple things to do, and nothing else. No nation is required to do anything. In fact it actually states that a nation doesn't have to be involved with it.

So, there are two reasons why it's illegal. It only creates a committee, and it's optional.

[Sanctaria]

Oh, I was not doubting that it wasn't illegal, I'm just saying, urging is fine, as laid down by the same thread you just quoted. But yeah, creating committee's only = bad, very bad.

[Grays Harbor]

Oh, I was not doubting that it wasn't illegal, I'm just saying, urging is fine, as laid down by the same thread you just quoted. But yeah, creating committee's only = bad, very bad.

why?

[Sanctaria]

....cos it's illegal...

[Grays Harbor]

....cos it's illegal...

from the GA rules:

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

[The Emmerian Unions]

....cos it's illegal...

from the GA rules:

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

And let me highlight something for ya...

Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

All THIS proposal is, is to CREATE a committee. There is no other legislation OTHER then the creation of the WANA.

[Grays Harbor]

it is about coin collecting, for crying out loud, and creates an international organization for that purpose. what else is there supposed to be in there? mandatory collections? design specifications?

TEU, I generally find what you point out to be for the most part correct, but here I believe you are being nit-picky for the sake of nit-picking.

[Bears Armed]

It can urge all it wants. Because it's urging only, we'll have nothing to do with any of it. Therefore, it's illegal. If we can ignore a resolution all together, it's got to be illegal. It does nothing other than create a committee.

Creating Stuff

Committees may be created, as long as certain things are kept in mind: nations do not sit on committees, they are staffed by mystical beings that instantly spring into existance and live only to serve on said committee. Committees are also bound by the above MetaGame rules. Also, keep in mind that Committees are additions to Proposals; they shouldn't be all the Proposal does.

Note the bolded section.

The proposal is illegal as written. If not for optionality, then for the fact it just creates a committee, gives it a couple things to do, and nothing else. No nation is required to do anything. In fact it actually states that a nation doesn't have to be involved with it.

So, there are two reasons why it's illegal. It only creates a committee, and it's optional.

OOC:Creating a committee and then urging nations to cooperate it, as a 'Mild' resolution, is legal: see NSUN Resolution #148 'Meteorological Cooperation' for one precedent.
(I've chosen that resolution to use as my example here, rather than any of the more recent ones, because it was all my own work and I'm still pleased with it... )
If people absolutely require a mandatory clause before they'll support this, then how about one requiring member nations' governments to supply the committee with at least some specified minimum number of each & every variety of coin or banknote that is currently [still] being issued within their country when this passes or that starts getting issued there later on?

[Charlotte Ryberg]

In my opinion, I could urge member states to pay more attention to the design of banknotes in the name of culture: making the design of banknotes and coins pay more attention to the culture of the nation. Just my thoughts.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Listen people. My proposal is obviously illegal and it's probably in that thread where Silly and or Illegal proposals are discussed. I'm just waiting for Ard to sweep it off.

[Grays Harbor]

Listen people. My proposal is obviously illegal and it's probably in that thread where Silly and or Illegal proposals are discussed. I'm just waiting for Ard to sweep it off.

B&C, if that happens, I will help you rewrite it so that its not illegal, if it is determined to be. I like the idea and believe it has merit.

[Firstaria]

4. Assures that no nation is obligated to be active with WANA.

Personally, i don't see the problem. It says "to be active" not "to join". It not optional to join, is optional to pass some of your time on numismatic.

I approve this resolution and i'll suggest to my delegate to approve it.

[Ardchoille]

Listen people. My proposal is obviously illegal and it's probably in that thread where Silly and or Illegal proposals are discussed. I'm just waiting for Ard to sweep it off.

B&C, if that happens, I will help you rewrite it so that its not illegal, if it is determined to be. I like the idea and believe it has merit.

Yah, I like it too. Sorry about the delay, I hate housekeeping (and it was my turn to sweep, too, Sirocco'd already done his share ). BTW, I went for optionality, but keep the committee thing in mind in the rewrite.

EDIT: Oh, and it didn't end up in Silly Proposals because it already had its own thread. If it has a thread, it doens't get put in S&I.

[Flibbleites]

EDIT: Oh, and it didn't end up in Silly Proposals because it already had its own thread. If it has a thread, it doens't get put in S&I.

Or at least it's not supposed to end up there.

[The Emmerian Unions]

EDIT: Oh, and it didn't end up in Silly Proposals because it already had its own thread. If it has a thread, it doens't get put in S&I.

Or at least it's not supposed to end up there.

It's not there. I keep a close eye on that thread.

[Grays Harbor]

could a mod lock this please so that a new "draft" thread be opened.