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Charlotte Ryberg wrote:

Christian Democrats wrote:I pretty much already can predict the outcome of this debate . . .

Multiple proposals reach quorum; the first proposal that reaches quorum passes; this invalidates each of the other six proposals; everyone leaves angry, including many of those who voted for the original proposal to reach quorum because they didn't know that something better was coming

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Every proposal fails because member states are waiting to vote on another proposal that will come up later even though most of these proposals probably have majority support

If the other six nations want to withdraw their proposals, then I'll withdraw this proposal . . . in moderation, all seven of us can make a joint request to have our proposals withdrawn . . . REASON: Maybe it would be best to construct a compromise proposal that combines the existing proposals . . . I know that there shouldn't be any more than two authors for a proposal, but maybe moderation would make an exception and allow an abortion proposal with seven authors.

I'll wait for others to reply, honoured ambassador, but I am not quite convinced because previously you kept insisting in introducing restrictions against abortion against progressive member states where the popular opinion is "leave it alone", until I found out why abortion should be legal for cases of rape et. al.

Christian Democrats wrote:If the other six nations want to withdraw their proposals, then I'll withdraw this proposal . . . in moderation, all seven of us can make a joint request to have our proposals withdrawn . . . REASON: Maybe it would be best to construct a compromise proposal that combines the existing proposals . . . I know that there shouldn't be any more than two authors for a proposal, but maybe moderation would make an exception and allow an abortion proposal with seven authors.

The Floridian Coast wrote:The Floridian Coast opposes granting abortion rights based on a lack of viability. We recognize that as science advances, viability will be possible sooner and sooner, but that should not inhibit the right of women to elective abortion.

Cartavesqa wrote:I'm sorry, which of the 12 different abortion proposals is this?

The Rich Port wrote:

Cartavesqa wrote:I'm sorry, which of the 12 different abortion proposals is this?

The one that almost outright bans it. I would endorse Charlotte Ryberg's "On Abortion" myself.

Philimbesi wrote:As we have said before our doctors are more than capable of determining the age of viability on their own and do not require the assistance of WA Gnomes, further our women are more than capable of deciding what they wish to do with their pregnancy.

And their bodies, my fellow ambassador. Or, at least, my nation's women are more than capable of making decisions regarding their own bodies.

Christian Democrats wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
The one that almost outright bans it. I would endorse Charlotte Ryberg's "On Abortion" myself.

How can a proposal that would restrict, not ban, abortions after about the 30th week of pregnancy be almost an outright ban?

Christian Democrats wrote:

The Floridian Coast wrote:The Floridian Coast opposes granting abortion rights based on a lack of viability. We recognize that as science advances, viability will be possible sooner and sooner, but that should not inhibit the right of women to elective abortion.

Why not just induce labor if a woman wants to stop being pregnant?

Intellect and the Arts wrote:

Christian Democrats wrote:Why not just induce labor if a woman wants to stop being pregnant?

Wait, what time limit would you impose on this? I ask because if they do it before a certain period, it's technically a medical miscarriage.

• Right to an Emergency Abortion - Nulono
• On Abortion - Charlotte Ryberg
• Defense of Life Act - Christian Democrats (me)
• Late-term Abortion - Keronians
• Ending the Abortion Discussion - Eireann Fae
• Ending The Abortion Debate - Ryouese Black Islands
• Abortion Rights Convention - An Empty Mop Bucket
• Reproductive Freedoms - An Empty Mop Bucket
• Ending the Abortion Discussion - James_xenoland

Christian Democrats wrote:Abortion Proposals:

• Right to an Emergency Abortion - Nulono
• On Abortion - Charlotte Ryberg
• Defense of Life Act - Christian Democrats (me)
• Late-term Abortion - Keronians
• Ending the Abortion Discussion - Eireann Fae
• Ending The Abortion Debate - Ryouese Black Islands
• Abortion Rights Convention - An Empty Mop Bucket
• Reproductive Freedoms - An Empty Mop Bucket
• Ending the Abortion Discussion - James_xenoland

The Cat-Tribe wrote:Furthermore, AT BEST, ONLY ONE of your proceeding statements relate to one of FIVE necessary and sufficient conditions embedded in the commonsense notion of personhood:

• being conscious, e.g. aware of one's surroundings.
• being conscious of itself, i.e. being able to think of oneself as oneself at least at a rudimentary level.
• being able to reason and know, e.g. plan, understand at least at a rudimentary level.
• being a sentient being, e.g. feel pain/pleasure.
• being able to have emotions

⁵ Again, this either makes no sense or involves a strange morality. You declare fetuses "at or before 24 weeks" to be persons, but then say they may be killed if they are severely defective or abnormal. Would this standard apply to born children? To adults? Can we kill those we think are defective or abnormal?