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Bajuia
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Renewable Transportation Act First Draft

Postby Bajuia » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:31 pm

Category: Transportation
Strength: Medium

Hereby: All nations will invest time and money into the study and implemention of renewable transportation.
Rights: Nations have the right to implement changes according to the amount of money availble on a year by year basis.
1. Nations will after the introduction of hybrid vehicles that use hydrogen or bio-fuel begin to phase out production of fossil fuel vehicles over a period of a few years.
2. All new public transportation vehicles will be built with hybrid fuel systems with older fossil fuel models slowly phased out over a few years.
3. Bike lanes will be constructed in major cities along major arterial roads to encourage people to bike to work.
4. All Nations governments will hand out checks for between $350-$1000 to be used only for the purchase of hybrid vehicles or bikes.
5. All Nations will create a program that will give people cash for bringing in and disposing of their fossil fuel vehicles at recycling centers.
6. All Nations will convert sea going vessels to use renewable fuels such as methane produced by garbage by using a onboard incinerator over the course of anyware between 5-15 years depending on the number of vessels a nation has.
7. All sea going vessels will also be allowed to have hydrogen batteries onboard as well for backup.
8. All Nations will send out forms to ask what form of transportation people use either bikes,hybrid vehicles or other to insure that excessive amounts of money is not sent out.
This Act will not apply to nations that don't use that type of transportation.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:34 pm

How do you propose these maritime "electric turbines" be powered? We also object very much to the handing out of checks by governments for the purchase of private vehicles. We do not find mandated socialism to be necessary.
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Charlotte Ryberg
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:35 pm

I like the idea of promoting public transport but banning standard automobiles may be to much for member states whose oil is the economy.

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Postby Bazalonia » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:49 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:How do you propose these maritime "electric turbines" be powered? We also object very much to the handing out of checks by governments for the purchase of private vehicles. We do not find mandated socialism to be necessary.


Well, obviously by electricity but then there is the question about how that electricity is stored, opportunity or lack there of for a potential non-electric backup for emergencies (where electrical engine may short or otherwise break), and finally how that electricity is generated.

Another issue many nations may already have this technology and employ it, this proposal as it is drastically inefficient and causes every nation to duplicate time and money going over ground that has already been broken.

"hybrid fuel systems" could mean hybrid LPG-Petrol systems as well. This needs to be defined for clarification

You require 'hand out checks' it says nothing about having anything written on them or any sort of minimum amount ie a nation could write a check for $1 and sitisfy this requirement

If the purpose of this proposal is to help the environment then the method of 'disposing' of cars needs to be determined, because otherwise 'disposing' could for the moment include 'dumping it in a river'

The phrase 'This Act will not apply to nations that are either primitive, live in outerspace or have no oceans.' seems to be implying the whole Act which means this proposal is illegal because it is optional.

Also another legality problem - You need to choose one catagory this is either an environmental bill or a transportation bill - it cannot be both.

EDIT: This does not mean that we support this proposal we don't there just are serious issues with it as it is written let alone numerous other ideological issues that many have with it, eg, economy of Automobile manufacturing nations, NATSOV isssues and potentially others as well.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:58 pm

Bazalonia wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:How do you propose these maritime "electric turbines" be powered? We also object very much to the handing out of checks by governments for the purchase of private vehicles. We do not find mandated socialism to be necessary.


Well, obviously by electricity but then there is the question about how that electricity is stored, opportunity or lack there of for a potential non-electric backup for emergencies (where electrical engine may short or otherwise break), and finally how that electricity is generated.


That doesn't answer the question, not at all. How do you propose the electricity be generated in the first place? very long extension cords? Overhead catanary wires ships can hook on to? How?

"Other nations may have this technology" is not very convincing, either.
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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:54 pm

This act seeks to penalize MT nations. Furthermore the wholesale passing out of funds is nothing more than wealth redistribution. The HRC cannot and will not support this measure.
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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:22 pm

The Monikian Delegation cannot support this measure. First if nations have not yet developed levirail and other types of non-poluting transportation on their own then they obviously don't need them. Second there is no "transportation" category. Third we oppose this wealth redistribution with the donations that we make to the WA.
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Postby Darenjo » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:41 pm

Three major problems:

1. Our cities are more or less already built. We have sidewalks. We are not going to gut our cities in order to make our streets bigger for bike lanes.

2. How do you propose that ships have engines that can adequately store energy for long periods of time (I personally do not know much on the matter)?

3. What about pre-modern tech nations?
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Postby Erythrina » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:11 pm

Bajuia wrote:4. All Nations governments will hand out checks for between $350-$1000 to be used only for the purchase of hybrid vehicles or bikes.


:shock: :palm:

Bajuia wrote:This Act will not apply to nations that don't use that type of transportation.


Optionality. Don't do it.

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Postby Zoerb » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:14 am

Bajuia wrote:6. All Nations will convert sea going vessels to use renewable fuels such as friction motors in which to pieces rub against each other creating a spark which will start up the electric turbines over the course of anyware between 5-15 years depending on the number of vessels a nation has.

This makes no sense. Wikipedia tells me a friction motor is one of those flywheel contraptions that power little toy cars. How do you intend to turn it? They don't produce sparks. Even if they did how is a spark going to run/start anything except a fire? Wtf is an electric turbine? Do you mean a turbine that powers a generator? How are you going to run it? Giant flywheels? :palm:

Anyway... This proposal has good intentions but poor execution. I could imagine a proposal with the same goals but better clauses pass. You might want to ask around to see if you could get help from some WA veterans.
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Postby Flibbleites » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:09 pm

I think the author here is guilty of attempted genocide, everyone knows that bad science kills catgirls.

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Postby Mousebumples » Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:26 pm

Flibbleites wrote:I think the author here is guilty of attempted genocide, everyone knows that bad science kills catgirls.

Not the catgirls! We must save the catgirls!

As a result, I must stand in firm opposition to this proposal.
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