(DRAFT) Improvements into drug proposal

[Grays Harbor]

the concrete evidence is as i said crime shall lower as the criminals will lose their financing since legal business' shall be seeling not them,

Crime will go down? That same spurious argument could be made regarding ANY illegal activity. Make theft legal, and *poof*, no more illegal thefts will occur.

that will be made purer and potentially much more safe since alot of garbage and poison is added to the drug which is unnecsesary and potentially dangerous.

Not a valid reason for legalization. If something is illegal, it shouldn't be made in the first place, right?

And possibly yes there are too much rehabs which are too expensive for the more poor user, this needs to change with the making onf national rehabilitation centers (do you think that is a proposal in its own)

Absolutely not. The WA has no business mandating "rehab for the poor" or any other manner of national rehab programs.

new business can be made from it and the civil rights of the people strengthened

This is NOT a "civil rights" issue. This is a criminal issue where you wish to legitimize a criminal activity by making it legal.

and all the people who take it what are they criminals?

They break the law, then yes, they are criminals. What should happen to them is up to that nations laws.

these people are just as much criminals as people who drink and they arent criminals

Not an argument. That is a self-serving justification.

peoples lives can be ruined because of jail sentences for drug users

Heres an idea.... DON'T ... BREAK ... THE ... LAW.

if legalisation is not to be supported for legalising would national rehab centers and no jail time except for dealers but forced rehab for users who are caught taking it more plausible?

The WA has no business mandating who and what and how rehab is to be done. Mandated rehab centers financed by the state? That is not something the WA should be addressing.

[Nova Caeli]

the way you say since it is illegal purifying shouldnt happen since why should you this drug shouldnt exist in the first place is a massiveley flaw argument whether you like it or not drugs will exist so obviously we should make the best of a bad situation and try to purify the filth you get of the street. And even though in a proposal it would not classify as civil rights but it goes under the right to do what you want with your body now you say that they are criminals which makes sence since they are breaking the law but criminals should be defined as bad and dangerous people. When many people to this day have once experimented with drugs that means there are alot of crminals. And crime will go down because organised ccrime syndicates and gangs will lose their main source of income hence crime lowers
this proposal is the best you can do to fid the acception that it is taken by millions worldwide why reject them as criminals? wouldnt it be better to just try to make drugs as safe as possible and therefore prevent harm to these people?

[Grays Harbor]

this proposal is the best you can do to fid the acception that it is taken by millions worldwide why reject them as criminals? wouldnt it be better to just try to make drugs as safe as possible and therefore prevent harm to these people?

If this is "the best we can do" then I weep for the WA. Making something legal does not magically erase the problems. Mandating a one-size-fits-all solution is not any sort of solution.

[Nova Caeli]

this is a base for more developmlent into drug related proposals if it were to go through it would change the view on recreational drugs and then new proposals would be made based on this new base and view.
but it can start by setting a minimum age, start companies creating purer and safer drugs, and lower crime for reasons as mentioned earlier
it is important that drugs arent developed by dealers on teh streets but scientists in the lab rhis proposal would support legalisation as a way of then restricting and stabalising the drug world, it is the best option by getting it legalised you get chances for more proposals and improvements which inevitably would make changes in this subject for the better in the future

[Grays Harbor]

this is a base for more developmlent into drug related proposals if it were to go through it would change the view on recreational drugs and then new proposals would be made based on this new base and view.
but it can start by setting a minimum age, start companies creating purer and safer drugs, and lower crime for reasons as mentioned earlier
it is important that drugs arent developed by dealers on teh streets but scientists in the lab rhis proposal would support legalisation as a way of then restricting and stabalising the drug world, it is the best option by getting it legalised you get chances for more proposals and improvements which inevitably would make changes in this subject for the better in the future

If this is your view, then we have nothing further to discuss. "Pass it and we'll see what happens" is NOT an option. This is NOT the "best option".

OOC: also, please use spellcheck, it would make your posts more readable and understandable.

[Monikian WA Mission]

Faliksa Albertron rose to address the Committee.

"People! I want to make this perfectly clear. This draft is no where near the best option for anything regarding drugs. Furthermore with more than 50,000 nations in the known multiverse there is no way to dictate a one-size fits all policy to them. There are more than several hundred species each with their biological needs to consider, there are thousands of different cultures that need to be considered.

"Over all the issues of drugs and their legality is a national issue. The issue of rehab as a social program likewise is a national issue. The WA has no business legislating on this matter in any way shape or form."


OOC: Nova Caeli, for future reference I, when used as a personal pronoun, is always capitalized, you is spelled YOU and finally use spell check and don't use netspeak on the forums. Many people here, including myself, do not speak English as their first language and I for one stopped reading everything you posted after half way through your post following mine.

[Nova Caeli]

yes sorry for the internet speak just became a habit I suppose, now you do make a point with many cultures and people you have to conisder the idea is far to wide and big fitting well you could say the same about any law as an exapme if gay marriage (out of interest what is the WA law on that?) was legalised in all countries you could say but my countries beliefs are anti homosexuality etc. but it still is an important part of civil rights to get married, or murder my country is full of murderers there shouldnt law against those now with the WA of course it will be a big fit unless you want a different proposal to fit every different natiion?

[Grays Harbor]

We do not require a different proposal for each WA nation. What we require is the freedom and ability for each nation to determine their recreational drug laws for themselves, much as they determine their murder laws, as you pointed out, for themselves. The use of recreational drugs is not a "civil right". Perhaps in your nation it is, that is your perogative, however, it is not your perogative to determine that recreational drugs is a civil right for everybody any more than it is your perogative to determine what a nations murder laws, or immigration policy, or speed limit for road travel is. Nobody is saying you cannot determine what you believe is best for your own people. What we are saying is that it is not your right to determine what you think is best for everybody elses people based upon your own views of "how things should be".

[Monikian WA Mission]

yes sorry for the internet speak just became a habit I suppose, now you do make a point with many cultures and people you have to conisder the idea is far to wide and big fitting well you could say the same about any law as an exapme if gay marriage (out of interest what is the WA law on that?) was legalised in all countries you could say but my countries beliefs are anti homosexuality etc. but it still is an important part of civil rights to get married, or murder my country is full of murderers there shouldnt law against those now with the WA of course it will be a big fit unless you want a different proposal to fit every different natiion?

Gay marraige is covered by GAR#15

[Nova Caeli]

well we shall see WA creates developments for a wide community of countries true and if you go into some of my ideas such as drug cleansing how can you dissaprove?

[Monikian WA Mission]

Easy. Drug use, and legalization are issues that have a hard time passing to start with. Secondly most nations feel that they are matters of national legislation. I oppose these types of legisislation because it is not on my list of acceptable things to do for the WA. IE <Insert NatSov Argument Here>

[Nova Caeli]

then how about a drug cleansing act which works to clean up drugs (as I said before dealers are adding things as to gain profit, since the less of the actual drug and the more things to fill it in creates less expenditure) this will help end death by drugs and does not require legalisation
virtually creating labs to test new drugs, and current drugs and a police force to attack those who dirty their drugs over a limit, this will make drugs more pure and clean without having to legalise plus lowering amount of dealers on the street.

[Eireann Fae]

then how about a drug cleansing act which works to clean up drugs (as I said before dealers are adding things as to gain profit, since the less of the actual drug and the more things to fill it in creates less expenditure) this will help end death by drugs and does not require legalisation
virtually creating labs to test new drugs, and current drugs and a police force to attack those who dirty their drugs over a limit, this will make drugs more pure and clean without having to legalise plus lowering amount of dealers on the street.

"In most places where this would be a problem, drugs are already illegal. Making them 'more illegal' probably would not server as much of a deterrent. So far, I think the best suggestion was Ms Harper's¹ telling you to go for an addiction aid program."

¹ I'm not scrolling up, but I think it was Charlotte Ryberg that made this suggestion. If not, assume that Rowan knows who she's talking about better than I do :p

[Nova Caeli]

thats a good idea I am getting the idea of aid addicts and pssoibly to add to idea to aid cleaning of drugs there should be levels of purity and the higher it gets the higher the prison sentence unfortunately this is not as far as I would like to go but at least that would help cleanse drugs and I especially like the idea of creating proposal to aid addicts thanks for the advice

[Monikian WA Mission]

There is a flaw in your logic. If drugs aren't legalized, or at least decriminalized, to start with then no one would take their purchase to the lab. Why? Because if the drugs are illegal thats basically walking into the police station and saying "Hey I have X illegal substance." No one with any uncommonly good sense would incriminate themselves.

Honestly if the WA wanted to do something I'd suggest an addiction aid program, or perhaps reclassifying addiction to drugs not as a criminal problem but as a medical problem and mandating that nations use rehabilitation for drug offenses involving use (sale of course could still be criminal).

Other than that it is my sincere thought that your ideas might make a better issue though.

[Nova Caeli]

definately sounds like a plan and Isee what you mean about that but these scientists work kin drug labs which actually already exist (in real life) and amazingly its easier to buy and take drugs to a lab then you would think (in most countries that is)

[Grays Harbor]

then how about a drug cleansing act which works to clean up drugs (as I said before dealers are adding things as to gain profit, since the less of the actual drug and the more things to fill it in creates less expenditure) this will help end death by drugs and does not require legalisation
virtually creating labs to test new drugs, and current drugs and a police force to attack those who dirty their drugs over a limit, this will make drugs more pure and clean without having to legalise plus lowering amount of dealers on the street.

Illegal, but made better by the state? Create drug labs to make better illegal recreational drugs which are still illegal? Seriously? That is even less acceptable than your earlier suggestions.

[Nova Caeli]

the name 'drug lab' is decieving what it actually is, is drugs are taken to these labs they are then analysed as to what is inside them and then can know what a dealer uses to make it, or what hte new drugs have inside them, and helps doctors and rehab centers which can know what chemical cocktails there patients have been taking.

[Grays Harbor]

the name 'drug lab' is decieving what it actually is, is drugs are taken to these labs they are then analysed as to what is inside them and then can know what a dealer uses to make it, or what hte new drugs have inside them, and helps doctors and rehab centers which can know what chemical cocktails there patients have been taking.

We remain opposed to this ridiculous idea that the state is liable for the analysis, purification and sale of illegal items. You have yet to come up with a legitimate argument for this to be considered for a vote, and as a potential WA resolution, this fails on just about every level.

[Nova Caeli]

no right now the current proposal idea is
drug addiction aid service and endorsing drug labs (will go more into what they both entail as I draft the idea)
I am now not proposing legalisation, manufacturing or selling of drugs by the state now just more of an aid for addicts who need help and a program to help the government keep in touch with what drugs are being created by the dealers.

[Grays Harbor]

That is something best left to each individual nation then, as recreational drug laws vary. Why should the WA mandate a one-size-fits-all proposal when each nation would know better what is best for their own people? This is a very arrogant position to take. We accept that this is your position towards your own people, that is your right as a sovereign nation and people, however, we do not accept that your view is the correct one for every nation and people.

[Nova Caeli]

well it seems if you believe that you should go on the drug addiction aid draft made by someone else on the forum he obviously has decided to 'make' that draft

[Eireann Fae]

well it seems if you believe that you should go on the drug addiction aid draft made by someone else on the forum he obviously has decided to 'make' that draft

"As was his prerogative." The Faerie Emissary is hovering near the WA flagpole, enchanted by the reflected sunlight on its metallic surface. Clearly, the Human child was speaking for herself now. "I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt, but there's nothing to stop him from making the proposal on his own. You can continue to develop your proposal to make illicit substances safer, or you can contribute to the Addiction draft, or both. You could make your own Addiction draft if you like, though, to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure you'd write one was good as the Monikian Mis-Episky!"

The Faerie had just fallen to the floor, but quickly stood on wobbly legs and waved her hand, saying she was alright. The diminutive creature (slowly) took to the air again, bobbing and weaving her way to the Eireann Fae delegation's desk before settling into Rowan's cup of water, splashing about as though it were a pool. The girl sighed in exasperation, and went to get another glass.

[Nova Caeli]

I must say I am quite agravated by his decision to do as he has done but at least hopefully the ideas presented on this draft will go forward to become WA law

[Monikian WA Mission]

well it seems if you believe that you should go on the drug addiction aid draft made by someone else on the forum he obviously has decided to 'make' that draft

Where is this draft? I have seen no such draft on that topic on the forum except my own. If I just happened to basically draft the same thing on my own that you did on your own...then all I can say is that we might think alike then.

That said before accusing someone of plagiarism be sure you have proof of plagiarism.