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International Timber Trade

Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:39 am

Harron o Harruorr, who is one of the mission’s ‘Apprentice Voices’ (i.e. trainee diplomats), walks into the Chamber, posts a text for your consideration, and then returns to the Bar…


International Timber Trade


Category:
Free Trade
Industry affected: Mild


Description: The World Assembly,

Aware that the sale of timber, and in some cases of various other products that may also be derived from woodland vegetation as well, is important to many nations’ economies,

Believing that it would be best both for the overall environment and for the economies of the nations concerned if the harvesting of those materials were to be carried out in ways that can be sustained on a long-term basis, and that many people would actively chose to buy materials that had been produced sustainably rather than ones produced in more destructive ways if they were to be given the choice,

Concerned that such preferential purchasing of sustainably produced materials is hindered by the lack of any internationally recognised and enforced standards for labelling those goods,


1. Asks the governments of all WA member nations to do what they can to promote the concept of sustainable forestry amongst both the producers and the consumers within their populations;

2. Starts up a new department within WASP, called the Forestry Advisory Bureau (or ‘FAB’), whose main duties shall be:
A. To collate the available information about woodland ecosystems, and about how these can best be managed for sustainable production in environment-friendly ways;
B. To conduct or sponsor studies to fill any gaps that they find within that existing knowledge;
C. To distribute this information to any nations that request it, as all WA members are urged to do should this seem potentially useful, and also to provide any nation that may request such help with the best possible advice about how to improve its woodland management policies;
D. To provide suitable experts to inspect any specific woodland-harvesting or woodland clearance projects for which this is requested, to assess and report on the likely effects of those activities, in exchange for reasonable fees (paid in advance);
E. To develop and publicise a set of symbols (to be called ‘FAB-marks’) that can be used to indicate that the timber or other woodland products to which they are attached came from operations that the FAB has inspected and certified as being sustainable in the long term, in the hope that this guarantee will encourage people to choose those materials over ones that were produced less sustainably;

3. Hereby requires that each WA member nation must:
A. Promote awareness of the FAB-marking system within its jurisdiction;
B. Prevent fraudulent use of FAB-marks and any other false claims to FAB approval within its jurisdiction, and also do what it can to prevent such deceits by anybody based within its jurisdiction who is operating elsewhere;
C. Refrain from imposing heavier tariffs or more restrictive quotas on sustainably produced goods than they do on other goods of the same types that were produced in less environmentally friendly ways.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:02 am

A question about FAB-markings: will it allow nation/regional systems to be used side by side too?

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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:29 pm

This seems to be Wise Woodland Management all over again.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78531
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79073&p=3753933#p3753933

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Postby Unibot » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:33 pm

Holy Roman Confederate wrote:This seems to be Wise Woodland Management all over again.


Pretty much the opposite ideological category though. :)

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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:36 pm

I will follow the sentiment of the original vote then and decline to support in any way, shape, or form.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78531
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79073&p=3753933#p3753933

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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:08 pm

"The Monikian Delegation still fails to see how woodland management is anything other than a national issue, and opposes this. Also we'd like to point out that the word sustainable is not defined."

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Postby Warzone Codger » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:29 pm

"I wish to ask, would Mr Harron o Harruorr be promoted if his resolution passes where his senior's failed?"

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:31 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:A question about FAB-markings: will it allow nation/regional systems to be used side by side too?

Why not? There's nothing in the text to forbid it...
Actually, another possibility along those lines occured to me earlier today. I'll add a sub-clause that allows nations to aks FAB to inspect & certify their own existing systems for such labelling, so that if it approves those systems FAB inspection of individual projects within those nations would then become unnecessary for labelling appropriately, along similar lines to the provision for vetting of local labs in the Gem Trading resolution.


Holy Roman Confederate wrote:This seems to be Wise Woodland Management all over again.

I just knew that somebody would say that. Let's see, apart from the changed title, we have _
Different category (listed only a couple of lines below the title),
Preamble almost completely re-written to change the emphasis,
Three of WWM's five operative clauses (including one of the two that actually obliged nations to do anything, but also the blocker to which some people objected) dropped,
And one of the remaining pair of clauses significantly expanded...

That looks like some fairly major differences to me.

^_^


Monikian WA Mission wrote:"The Monikian Delegation still fails to see how woodland management is anything other than a national issue, and opposes this.

For those nations that aren't off in worlds of their own, as I gather is the case for the Monikians, trade in such products is often international in its nature... and some nations might not trust each others' labelling schemes. This would provide a common standard administered by a neutral body.
I'd thought that that was obvious anyway, especially given the existing wording of the preamble, but suppose I could expand on the point if people really think it necessary.
Monikian WA Mission wrote:Also we'd like to point out that the word sustainable is not defined."

The word 'defined' is not defined...
:p
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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:23 pm

For those nations that aren't off in worlds of their own, as I gather is the case for the Monikians, trade in such products is often international in its nature... and some nations might not trust each others' labelling schemes. This would provide a common standard administered by a neutral body.


Faliksa Albertron responded due the recent absence of Talik* Murzhan.

"Monikians and Monkiah itself is alone in our star system as a civilization, and incorporates not only our homeworld but also colonies on moons and other planets in our system. We plan on keeping it that way too. That said, even if timber products are traded internationally elsewhere, and even if nation A doesn't trust nation B's resource management policy, nation A has the option to simply not purchase timber products from nation B. This is nothing more or less than the WA meddling in affairs that are the business of Nations alone. There is no need for this 'neutral body'.

"If the question were one of say lowering tariffs on timber products we'd have a completely different opinion of course."
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Postby Embolalia » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:08 pm

Bears Armed wrote:The word 'defined' is not defined...
:p
Nor is the word "word".

I do have a question: would it be possible for a clause to be included which would allow facilities not located in WA member nations to receive certification at their own expense? The Kedalfaxians, your neighbors and ours, aren't too happy with us for supporting the last draft, which lacked it. They claim it would harm their exports, despite their use of sustainable practices. I think for regional diplomatic reasons, it would be a good idea.
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Postby Turtatalia » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:37 pm

We are quite forested, so this has our support. I would also like to wish the Apprentice best of luck, and I am happy to rubber-stamp the following status on to the proposal:

APPROVED


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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:06 am

Embolalia wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:The word 'defined' is not defined...
:p
Nor is the word "word".

I do have a question: would it be possible for a clause to be included which would allow facilities not located in WA member nations to receive certification at their own expense? The Kedalfaxians, your neighbors and ours, aren't too happy with us for supporting the last draft, which lacked it. They claim it would harm their exports, despite their use of sustainable practices. I think for regional diplomatic reasons, it would be a good idea.

Maybe the Kedalfaxians should re-read that draft. Here is the relevant section, with the most relevant bits now underlined...

C. To distribute this information to any nations that request it, as all WA members are urged to do should this seem potentially useful, and also to provide any nation that requests such help with the best possible advice about how to improve its woodland management policies;
D. To provide suitable experts to inspect any specific woodland-harvesting or woodland clearance projects for which this is requested, to assess and report on the likely effects of those activities, in exchange for reasonable fees (paid in advance);

As those didn't explicitly limit FAB to providing those services to/within WA members, but said "any nation" and "any projects" instead, FAB's services implicitly would have been available to non-members (and to enterprises within those countries) too...
After all, Bears Armed proper -- as distinct from its WA mission -- isn't actually a WA member either... ;)
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Postby Embolalia » Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:09 pm

They stand corrected...
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