by Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:01 pm

by Darenjo » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:04 pm
1. Member countries must adopt a Threshold of Majority for each sapient species within their jurisdiction, provided that such threshold occurs around the point where that specimen is typically of an appropriate and/or sufficient mental capacity to be considered emancipated.
around the point where that specimen is typically of an appropriate and/or sufficient mental capacity to be considered emancipated
by Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:48 pm
1. Member countries must adopt a Threshold of Majority for each sapient species within their jurisdiction, provided that such threshold occurs at a point where the individual is of an appropriate and/or sufficient mental capacity to be considered emancipated.

by Quelesh » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:12 pm
by Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:37 am
Quelesh wrote:I notice that there is not currently a clause specifically allowing member states to grant various rights to those who have not reached the threshold of majority, as long as said rights do not conflict with international law. Hopefully this is an unintentional omission.

by Darenjo » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:35 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Quelesh wrote:I notice that there is not currently a clause specifically allowing member states to grant various rights to those who have not reached the threshold of majority, as long as said rights do not conflict with international law. Hopefully this is an unintentional omission.
As long as it is universal within a member country's jurisdiction, fine.
Let's try:
PROVIDES for member states to set an arbitrary age for gaining or losing differing rights (e.g. age-restricted sales), responsibilities (e.g. compulsory service), protections (e.g. statutory rape) or privileges (e.g. voting rights), provided that such variations are appropriate with the intents and purpose of this resolution, and not in contravention of international law;

by Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:41 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Quelesh wrote:I notice that there is not currently a clause specifically allowing member states to grant various rights to those who have not reached the threshold of majority, as long as said rights do not conflict with international law. Hopefully this is an unintentional omission.
As long as it is universal within a member country's jurisdiction, fine.
Let's try:
PROVIDES for member states to set an arbitrary age for gaining or losing differing rights (e.g. age-restricted sales), responsibilities (e.g. compulsory service), protections (e.g. statutory rape) or privileges (e.g. voting rights), provided that such variations are appropriate with the intents and purpose of this resolution, and not in contravention of international law;
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:03 am
PROVIDES for member states to set arbitrary thresholds for gaining or losing differing rights (e.g. age-restricted sales), responsibilities (e.g. compulsory education), protections (e.g. statutory rape) or privileges (e.g. voting rights), provided that such variations are appropriate with the intents and purpose of this resolution, and not in contravention of international law;

by Bears Armed » Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:48 am
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Quelesh wrote:I notice that there is not currently a clause specifically allowing member states to grant various rights to those who have not reached the threshold of majority, as long as said rights do not conflict with international law. Hopefully this is an unintentional omission.
As long as it is universal within a member country's jurisdiction, fine.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:16 am
6. PROVIDES for member countries or their sub-national or regional administrations to set arbitrary thresholds for gaining or losing differing rights (e.g. age-restricted sales), responsibilities (e.g. compulsory education), protections (e.g. statutory rape) or privileges (e.g. voting rights), provided that such variations are appropriate with the intents and purpose of this resolution, and not in contravention of international law;

by Monikian WA Mission » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:32 am
5. Member countries may introduce judicial provisions for the removal of some or all of the Rights of Majority from an individual, provided that such process is done in the best interest of the individual and not in violation of international law
I cannot agree with the ages of majority being separate for genders, as that would be discrimination.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:56 pm
Monikian WA Mission wrote:Over all I like this proposal and would vote for it except for this.5. Member countries may introduce judicial provisions for the removal of some or all of the Rights of Majority from an individual, provided that such process is done in the best interest of the individual and not in violation of international law
It is the feeling of Monikians that adults or emancipated minors should never lose any rights except as the result of due process of law for criminal offenses. We feel that this provision might force us to expose our citizens to potential abuses while they are in other member nations who do indeed establish a judicial procedure for the removal of some/all Rights of Majority. Furthermore we are uncomfortable with the removal of any civil rights on the basis of "done in the best interest of the individual" which literally could mean any and everything provided it doesn't violate already established international law.
Monikian WA Mission wrote:ETA:I cannot agree with the ages of majority being separate for genders, as that would be discrimination.
What about species that have more than one sex? (Gender being masculine/feminine, sex being male/female.) Monikians for example have three sexes. We have females of course and we have Genomes (males who contribute genetic material in mating) and Binomes (males who catalyze fertilization of the ovum but contribute no genetic material). Currently under Monikian law Binomes have a higher age of majority as they require distinct training in their role as catalyst of fertilization. Furthermore Binomes while necessary for reproduction are exceedingly rare, there are approximately 1 Binome for every 400 females at any given time and as such Binomes are also not permitted to engage in monogamous marriage (IE the use of 'sord'tonak [a powerful narcotic which is used by married couples to insure monoandry] during mating).
Surely the delegation can see that due to biological circumstances and needs as a species there may actually need to be differing ages of majority on the basis of sex.

by Monikian WA Mission » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:31 am
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Monikian WA Mission wrote:ETA:
What about species that have more than one sex? (Gender being masculine/feminine, sex being male/female.) Monikians for example have three sexes. We have females of course and we have Genomes (males who contribute genetic material in mating) and Binomes (males who catalyze fertilization of the ovum but contribute no genetic material). Currently under Monikian law Binomes have a higher age of majority as they require distinct training in their role as catalyst of fertilization. Furthermore Binomes while necessary for reproduction are exceedingly rare, there are approximately 1 Binome for every 400 females at any given time and as such Binomes are also not permitted to engage in monogamous marriage (IE the use of 'sord'tonak [a powerful narcotic which is used by married couples to insure monoandry] during mating).
Surely the delegation can see that due to biological circumstances and needs as a species there may actually need to be differing ages of majority on the basis of sex.
The current wording as it stands only mandates the Threshold of Majority for each sapient species within their jurisdiction, but again gender discrimination comes under (here we go again)... GA#35.
This clause intended to reflect the loss of mental capacity of an individual; in member states there may be provisions to protect people who are unable to make their own decisions. However, it is becoming clear that the shifting of majority rights to another person is a matter of mental health rather than pure majority, and therefore Ms. Harper is considering narrowing this clause to only cover criminal law and loss of mental capacity.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:14 pm

by Monikian WA Mission » Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:34 pm

by The Digital Rule » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:45 pm

by Eireann Fae » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:49 pm
The Digital Rule wrote:Mental capacity determines responsibility, age does not.
In a future world where genetic and biological engineering is rife, there are few definitive lines between species. They all change and evolve as a collection of unified organisms, of varying age to mental capacity ratio. I hope not to discriminate between age or species.
My nation is based upon current/near-future technology and so we maintain an age limit for sexual consent, jury duty, drug use, gun control and vehicle operation. We don't have an age limit on military service or the right to vote, as these are determined by a competency test which all but the stupidest among a sentient species could pass, so that any age/species who are residents of my nation can vote and support their nation, even if they aren't old enough to bear arms or drink under our constitution.
This proposal seems too controversial for too many people to be accepted by the community :/

by The Digital Rule » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:54 pm

by Monikian WA Mission » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:41 am
The Digital Rule wrote:Clause 6 basically invalidates this idea of a "threshold of majority" by saying I can set the age limits however I want for whatever organisms I want. Unless I'm not following it correctly :S

by The Digital Rule » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:59 pm

by Monikian WA Mission » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:16 am
The Digital Rule wrote:I appreciate the intelligent response, I see them far too rarely these days :S
Here are some arbitrary age limits in my country:
drive a moped, sale/use of some drugs (caffeine pills, antibiotics): Age 16.
hold a learner driver's license, gamble, smoke tobacco: Age 17.
own a full driver's license, other drug-use (alcohol), sexual consent, operating certain heavy machinery, judicial service and frontline army service: Age 18.
However, to register to vote, you must go to a government facility and pass a competence test. It isn't designed to strain mental capacity, it's merely to ensure thet you're somewhat conscious of what you're doing. It's made so almost any hill-billy could pass it, and a five year old could probably vote if they wanted. Those who are illiterate, blind, or have some other reason are given helped by an official so their votes are also counted. Once that test is completed at any government facility, any species or age group who is a resident within my nation can vote. There is no need for an age of majority in this instance, neither is there any reason to emancipate a minor when a political vote is not the same as living without a guardian.
Proposal wrote:. PROVIDES for member countries or their sub-national or regional administrations to set arbitrary thresholds for gaining or losing differing rights (e.g. age-restricted sales), responsibilities (e.g. compulsory education), protections (e.g. statutory rape) or privileges (e.g. voting rights), provided that such variations are appropriate with the intents and purpose of this resolution, and not in contravention of international law;
With regards to how difficult the test is to implement, it doesn't really slow things down all that much.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:20 am

by Monikian WA Mission » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:55 am

by The Digital Rule » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:10 pm
It's all done without the need for a judge (see previous posts.) We believe to influence the country carries a lesser responsibility (as any idiot can vote, similar to America but without discimination on age) than emancipation, which is dealt with by a judge.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:37 pm
The Digital Rule wrote:If "Joe Thoughtless" aged 35 still living with his redneck parents can influence the country without any kind of scope or insight, I don't see how my nation will end up worse off if "Timmy Uneducated" can also vote when he still wets the bed. So long as the test can't be passed by something with no idea what it's doing (a pet budgie), but still excludes neither the idiotic or the naive, everybody has equal rights, with regards to age and species as well as gender and culture. We are a more developed country, and so the majority of the population remains significantly older anyhow.
I presume with that information you can see why we do it this way. I also like the fact politicians still have to address school children in their campaigns tooIt's all done without the need for a judge (see previous posts.) We believe to influence the country carries a lesser responsibility (as any idiot can vote, similar to America but without discimination on age) than emancipation, which is dealt with by a judge.
If we are allowed to set the Age of Majority at 0 years old, may I ask what the point in having a resolution on it is?
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