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The Lost Rulings

Postby Ardchoille » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:55 pm

With the recent Jolt kill of NS history, a lot of WA precedents and mod rulings to which players would link when debating have gone.

Many can be retrieved by citing the text of passed resolutions. Some that come up fairly regularly (eg, "Is 'February' a RW reference?") have been used recently enough to be available on these forums. But others are lost.

However, such are the pack-rat propensities extensive research libraries of WA regulars that I'm hoping some may survive tucked away in the back of cutlery drawers or in boxes under a Multiverse of beds.

I'd sooner get the "no, Hack didn't really mean that!" and "You're deliberately misquoting, what Fris actually said was ..." arguments out the way in relative peace, rather than wait till they're the centrepiece of a small war during an At Vote debate.

So, if you have preserved any publicly available links to specific rulings or precedents, please post them here (like, not stuff from the super-sekrit part of your sekrit offsite).

If there's something you were thinking about just the other day, but couldn't quite pin down, but you're pretty sure there was a ruling, please post that here, too, on the offchance that someone will be able to help out.

Example: there's a convention that "human" or "man" can be read as "sapient" in any WA proposal. Pretty sloppy writing, really, since "citizen" or "resident" is more exact, depending on the proposal's extent. But still ... anyone got the original of that?

($5 says Bears Armed has, and considers it an appalling example of humanocentricism. :p )
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Postby Unibot » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:00 am

Did someone save the debate threads for the past WA resolutions.. :(

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:45 am

Felix probably still has them. The old Strangers' Bar threads too. I deleted all my saved files because I thought I wouldn't need them. So sadly, all the Kennypolls are history. :(

(Unless they're among Felix's/some other WA dude's saved files.)
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Postby Ardchoille » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:45 pm

Well, if anyone has them, please just post the link, not the whole thing. Or you can post a complete thread to ardchoille@nationstatesnet and I'll put it in the archives -- [violet] willing, that is. (I'm not sure what the new server means, in terms of saving even more stuff.)

We've got Douria's WA#4, Restrictions on Child Labor, in there, though only the first two pages are formatted.

(Any NSWiki admins/mods reading might need to have a look at their UN/WA links, too.)
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:03 pm

Ardchoille wrote:Example: there's a convention that "human" or "man" can be read as "sapient" in any WA proposal. Pretty sloppy writing, really, since "citizen" or "resident" is more exact, depending on the proposal's extent. But still ... anyone got the original of that?

($5 says Bears Armed has, and considers it an appalling example of humanocentricism. :p )

Considers using 'human' as a synonum for 'sapient being' appalllinly humanocentric? Yes.
Has a copy of a Modly ruling saying that the synonym can generally be taken as read? No.

I'm not sure that that really was ever a ruling, rather than just a suggestion: After all, over the years several of us have drafted (and in some cases submitted) proposals for extending "human" rights to cover those sapients who aren't actually 'human' -- and Reformentia's one, in late 2005, actually went to vote (but was voted down) -- without any Modly ruling that those proposals were superfluous for this reason. As I see it, nations can interpret it that way if they want to do so (and in most cases I hope that they would...) but aren't actually required to do so.
Bearing in mind that some resolutions might include humanocentric legislation that simply wouldn't work properly for all of the other sapient species anyway, I think that I'd rather see a suitable resolution on the subject rather than a ruling like that.

Okay, next project, if I can (and maybe even if I can't) find my notes about the St Edmundan draft for this...
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Postby Hirota » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:00 am

I'd argue the fact that "human rights" resolutions affect member states with no human population sets a clear and well established precedent that human rights legislation affects non humans. If we need a mod ruling to back up what already happens, then so be it.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:11 pm

I'd argue that it only affects those nations to the same extent that resolutions about maritime matters "affect" landlocked nations, i.e. only in theory and not in practice: Those are rights that they would have to grant to humans if they had any humans, but as they haven't got any they can simply file & forget the legislation...
... until the actual category gets officially re-named to 'Sapient Rights', anyway.
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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