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DRAFT: A Promotion of Whaling

Postby Krioval » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:25 pm

A Promotion of Whaling
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The World Assembly,

CONCERNED that many island communities suffer food shortages due to lack of farmland and pastures,

ALSO CONCERNED that island communities must import much of their food, leading to increased prices,

NOTING that war, trade embargoes, or supply inefficiencies can lead to food shortages in these areas,

HOPING to alleviate these anxieties regarding adequate food supplies,

ALLOWS the hunting of non-endangered species of whale in all international waters,

REQUIRES that the most humane methods of hunting be used in hunting,

REQUIRES the reporting of whale harvests to the international community, especially if a species may become endangered,

ENCOURAGES nations allowing whale harvests to develop programs encouraging efficient use of the animals, and

RECOGNIZES that a nation may allow or restrict whaling in their territorial waters.

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We submit this for review by the Assembly. It is unfortunate that people may go hungry due to geographic constraints on food production, and we feel that the responsible harvest of whales can not only provide sustenance, but also improve dietary diversity in many communities. Also, there are nonfood uses for whale oil that could decrease the use of petroleum-based products. We feel that a resolution specifically addressing this issue is important, as international sanction for whaling will improve the security of whaling fleets, which are frequently harassed in international waters. We hope that the international community agrees that this inoffensive legislation can be improved through drafting and ultimately passed.

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Postby Unibot » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:43 pm

Why not make it a promotion of fishing in international waters for all non-endangered aquatic life (non-sentient) that can be used for food?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:48 pm

Greetings from Ethel Mermania, a small country with a fondness for broadway musicals.
The nameless drones of the ethel mermanian foreign service whisper a question? Is whale hunting banned now, if not ix-nay on the unt-bay alk-tay you will get the eta-pay folks all iled-ray pu-uay.
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Postby Krioval » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:49 pm

Unibot wrote:Why not make it a promotion of fishing in international waters for all non-endangered aquatic life (non-sentient) that can be used for food?


I have no objections to doing that. I figured that I would start with something limited and see if a consensus builds around expanding the focus more fully.

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Postby Flibbleites » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:53 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Greetings from Ethel Mermania, a small country with a fondness for broadway musicals.
The nameless drones of the ethel mermanian foreign service whisper a question? Is whale hunting banned now, if not ix-nay on the unt-bay alk-tay you will get the eta-pay folks all iled-ray pu-uay.

I believe the Endangered Species Protection resolution has the answer to your question.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:13 pm

A nameless drone sidles up to the parliamentarian and whispers in his ear, “so has the WAESC actually banned anything?”


Flibbleites wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Greetings from Ethel Mermania, a small country with a fondness for broadway musicals.
The nameless drones of the ethel mermanian foreign service whisper a question? Is whale hunting banned now, if not ix-nay on the unt-bay alk-tay you will get the eta-pay folks all iled-ray pu-uay.

I believe the Endangered Species Protection resolution has the answer to your question.

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Postby Enn » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:37 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:A nameless drone sidles up to the parliamentarian and whispers in his ear, “so has the WAESC actually banned anything?”


Flibbleites wrote:I believe the Endangered Species Protection resolution has the answer to your question.

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You'd have to ask them. If you can find them. I'm not even sure they've got an office, probably still waiting to be assigned one by Building Management. So they're probably camped out in a corridor somewhere.

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Postby Quelesh » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:51 am

This proposal seems unnecessary to me. Endangered Species Protection would prohibit whaling of endangered species, but whaling of non-endangered species in international waters is already allowed. Nations can already restrict whaling of non-endangered species in their own territorial waters, since they have jurisdiction there. This doesn't seem to change the status quo at all, except to prevent any future WA resolution that may further restrict whaling.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:50 am

Ms. Harper does not see this as being needed: whaling of non-endangered species in international waters seems to be allowed at present by default.

Ethel mermania wrote:A nameless drone sidles up to the parliamentarian and whispers in his ear, “so has the WAESC actually banned anything?”

I believe the Northern Rockhopper Penguin and Yellow-eyed Penguin are in the WAESC red list...

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Postby Krioval » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:14 am

Quelesh wrote:This proposal seems unnecessary to me. Endangered Species Protection would prohibit whaling of endangered species, but whaling of non-endangered species in international waters is already allowed. Nations can already restrict whaling of non-endangered species in their own territorial waters, since they have jurisdiction there. This doesn't seem to change the status quo at all, except to prevent any future WA resolution that may further restrict whaling.


Unfortunately, and perhaps surprisingly, there have been threats made against this legal enterprise, and there have been efforts to disrupt our work. Perhaps we need to address this issue specifically in the proposal, but we feel that without explicit international sanction, these fringe groups will feel emboldened to act against whale hunters in places they feel that no national government can stop them. We feel that an international resolution would be a better solution than a naval escort, in any case.

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:40 am

The Antarctic Oasis must be bored, again... Whaling will forever remaining illegal in Glen-Rhodes' territorial waters and exclusive economic zones. We've traditionally taken a neutral stance on what some people call 'pirates,' as well.
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Postby Darenjo » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:57 pm

Dr. Park requests a copy of Darenjo's whaling laws, and gets an extremely short piece of paper soon afterward. He reads that all whaling is banned in Darenjo's territorial waters and exclusive economic zones. He proceeds to speak to the assembled ambassadors:

Under no circumstances shall the Darenjon government support any proposal that promotes or supports any form of whaling. Thank you.

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Postby Unibot » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:11 pm

Krioval wrote:
Unibot wrote:Why not make it a promotion of fishing in international waters for all non-endangered aquatic life (non-sentient) that can be used for food?


I have no objections to doing that. I figured that I would start with something limited and see if a consensus builds around expanding the focus more fully.

Henrik Søgård
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval


Okay, now, here's the tricky question... if a fisherman catches a school of sentient whales.. and causes it to bleed to death from the wounds it sustained in the capture. Is the fisherman to be held responsible for its death?... Seems like someone isn't getting their justice if they murder someone in international waters.

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Postby Grand Europic States » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:23 pm

The Grand Europic States has always outlawed whaling and see no reason why this should change. As for the 'fringe groups', we somewhat question their methods but their motives are admirable. If anything, we would like to see a resolution banning the hunting of whales -- endangered or not -- across the WA.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:54 pm

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We told you so




Grand Europic States wrote:The Grand Europic States has always outlawed whaling and see no reason why this should change. As for the 'fringe groups', we somewhat question their methods but their motives are admirable. If anything, we would like to see a resolution banning the hunting of whales -- endangered or not -- across the WA.
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Postby Krioval » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:02 pm

Grand Europic States wrote:The Grand Europic States has always outlawed whaling and see no reason why this should change. As for the 'fringe groups', we somewhat question their methods but their motives are admirable. If anything, we would like to see a resolution banning the hunting of whales -- endangered or not -- across the WA.


How is it admirable to attack people engaged in legal enterprise and to threaten people's food supply? Further, unless Your Excellency is a strict vegan and you forswear any animal products - like leather - I don't understand why whale harvesting is considered inappropriate. Would it be more palatable if we included a stronger provision toward humane hunting?

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Postby Cardoness » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:10 pm

Krioval wrote:Further, unless Your Excellency is a strict vegan and you forswear any animal products - like leather - I don't understand why whale harvesting is considered inappropriate. Would it be more palatable if we included a stronger provision toward humane hunting?


We rise to echo our agreement. How is hunting a non-sentient, non-endangered whale any different then hunting a non-sentient, non-endangered bear *At this Lord Andreas cast a nervous glance over to the Bears Armed delegation*, or non-sentient, non-endangered deer or catching non-sentient, non-endangered fish?
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Postby Greenlandic People » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:28 pm

The Federal Republic wishes to express its unreserved support for this proposal, and all the values that it espouses. Our economy would suffer greatly for the destruction of our famed whaling industry. Indeed, we Greenlanders have a proud and storied tradition of hunting and catching whales, not merely for food and resources but for sport as well. I know that for me at least, nothing relieves the stress of dealing with your fellow WA numbskulls than a relaxing afternoon spent flaying the living shit out of a captured whale or two - and the post-game snack is its own reward!

We commend you, Mr. Søgård, for this admirable piece of legislation.

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:30 am

Cardoness wrote:
Krioval wrote:Further, unless Your Excellency is a strict vegan and you forswear any animal products - like leather - I don't understand why whale harvesting is considered inappropriate. Would it be more palatable if we included a stronger provision toward humane hunting?


We rise to echo our agreement. How is hunting a non-sentient, non-endangered whale any different then hunting a non-sentient, non-endangered bear *At this Lord Andreas cast a nervous glance over to the Bears Armed delegation*, or non-sentient, non-endangered deer or catching non-sentient, non-endangered fish?


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"We definitely regard it as preferable for you to hunt whales -- as long as you avoid any sapient ones who might be in those waters, of course -- rather than pre-sapient bears: After all, the latter might 'awaken' into a sapient condition at some point -- as our own ancestors did -- if they don't suffer untimely deaths..."


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Postby Quelesh » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:37 am

Krioval wrote:
Quelesh wrote:This proposal seems unnecessary to me. Endangered Species Protection would prohibit whaling of endangered species, but whaling of non-endangered species in international waters is already allowed. Nations can already restrict whaling of non-endangered species in their own territorial waters, since they have jurisdiction there. This doesn't seem to change the status quo at all, except to prevent any future WA resolution that may further restrict whaling.


Unfortunately, and perhaps surprisingly, there have been threats made against this legal enterprise, and there have been efforts to disrupt our work. Perhaps we need to address this issue specifically in the proposal, but we feel that without explicit international sanction, these fringe groups will feel emboldened to act against whale hunters in places they feel that no national government can stop them. We feel that an international resolution would be a better solution than a naval escort, in any case.


So the concern is state or non-state actors harassing your whaling ships in international waters? Perhaps your proposal could simply prevent WA member states from sending ships to harass or otherwise impede activities in international waters that are legal under international law. It seems like this would address your concern, while not tying the WA's hands should it wish to further regulate whaling in the future.

A quick glance at GAR47 Law of the Sea and GAR20 Suppress International Piracy tells me that this wouldn't be duplicative/contradictory, although I haven't done very thorough research on it.
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Postby Grand Europic States » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:35 am

Krioval wrote:
Grand Europic States wrote:The Grand Europic States has always outlawed whaling and see no reason why this should change. As for the 'fringe groups', we somewhat question their methods but their motives are admirable. If anything, we would like to see a resolution banning the hunting of whales -- endangered or not -- across the WA.


How is it admirable to attack people engaged in legal enterprise and to threaten people's food supply? Further, unless Your Excellency is a strict vegan and you forswear any animal products - like leather - I don't understand why whale harvesting is considered inappropriate. Would it be more palatable if we included a stronger provision toward humane hunting?

Henrik Søgård
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval


Vegetarian actually, and no I don't use leather -- the only ill effect of which is a slightly homogeneous footwear collection. Certainly we encourage any legislation that promotes the humane treatment of animals. While we may completely oppose the consumption of animal products it is a practice which persists and it is thus preferable to at least increase the welfare of these animals whilst they are alive until we can stop consumption all together.
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Postby The Altani Confederacy » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:04 pm

We find it odd that some nations feel it necessary to protect some non-sentient, non-endangered species, but not others. Are they just cuter or more cuddly or something?

Whaling is a longstanding tradition in many areas, including parts of our own Confederacy and our home region as well. It provides a food source to people who might not otherwise have one, as well as many useful products. Like the management of any other natural resource, whaling can be done in a responsible and sound fashion. For those reasons, the Confederacy will support this draft.

For the record, any anti-whaling "pirate" groups that violate Confederate or member state law in our waters will find themselves detained, then deported. Their vessels will be confiscated without compensation. We strongly advise such groups, honorable though some may find them, to take their business elsewhere. We also reserve the right to use force to protect our merchant marine, including whaling vessels, if necessary.

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Postby Knootoss » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:09 pm

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Postby Lowell Leber » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:21 pm

My nation is in full agreement with the ambassador from The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss concerning this matter. This proposal is a good start for addressing a practical issue with common sense, something that has been lacking in these halls as of late.

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