Question Regarding WA Bill

[Audentias Gryphus]

Has any proposition concerning a world bank been passed yet?

[Mousebumples]

Why don't you take a look through the List of Passed GA Resolutions and see for yourself?

[Audentias Gryphus]

#17 Y/N?

[Cardoness]

#17 Y/N?

#17 is not a world bank.

[Embolalia]

I don't think there has, for the simple reason that there isn't really a good reason for one. Can't wait for the Knootian delegation to hear about this one...

[Charlotte Ryberg]

It has been hard for us to come up with one that gives out grants to fund capital projects in developing countries: to define one is a huge challenge because it would take a lot of characters to define such as well as fluctuations in the overall economic climate of NS. Microcredit and Microgrants focuses on local-level projects such as enterprises and escaping poverty, but not capital projects.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I don't think there has, for the simple reason that there isn't really a good reason for one. Can't wait for the Knootian delegation to hear about this one...

I would be interested in a World Bank. It would essentially be Microcredit & Microgrants on a national level, minus the 'micro'.

[Darenjo]

Due to the fluctuations in the individual economies of NationStates' WA members (as well as the huge amounts of game code that would have to added in in order to link about 12000 nations' economies together), Darenjo is of the opinion that a World Bank would be extremely hard to pull off, and apparentely so do our fellow ambassadors, since there is no current resolution that mimics a World Bank (WA Economic Union might've have been one, but I'm not sure as I've not read over almost any of the repealed resolutions).

Darenjon GA Ambassador Dr. Park Si-Jung

[Grays Harbor]

A "World Bank" is not anything desperately required. We do not need a pack of foreigners screwing up our economy. We have our own liberals at home who are quite capable of doing that all on their own without outside help.

[Glen-Rhodes]

A "World Bank" is not anything desperately required. We do not need a pack of foreigners screwing up our economy. We have our own liberals at home who are quite capable of doing that all on their own without outside help.

Unless Grays Harbor either (a) is a developing economy, or (b) depends on keeping developing economies from becoming developed economies, I don't see how a World Bank would affect Grays Harbor in any way. If (a), Grays Harbor would benefit. If (b), Grays Harbor's economy is inherently corrupt.

(as well as the huge amounts of game code that would have to added in in order to link about 12000 nations' economies together)

No change in game mechanics would be required, and I'm not sure why you think otherwise...

... since there is no current resolution that mimics a World Bank

As long as I've been, nobody has tried, so the nonexistence of a resolution does not imply the inherent difficulty of its creation. In fact, the warnings of difficulty are greatly exaggerated.

(WA Economic Union might've have been one, but I'm not sure as I've not read over almost any of the repealed resolutions).

It wasn't one.

[Lowell Leber]

A "World Bank" is not anything desperately required. We do not need a pack of foreigners screwing up our economy. We have our own liberals at home who are quite capable of doing that all on their own without outside help.

Unless Grays Harbor either (a) is a developing economy, or (b) depends on keeping developing economies from becoming developed economies, I don't see how a World Bank would affect Grays Harbor in any way. If (a), Grays Harbor would benefit. If (b), Grays Harbor's economy is inherently corrupt.

(as well as the huge amounts of game code that would have to added in in order to link about 12000 nations' economies together)

No change in game mechanics would be required, and I'm not sure why you think otherwise...

Given that there is a limited economic pie to be shared, though that pie can slowly grow over time, it is not inherently corrupt that an developed economy in one nation would be dependent on underdeveloped economies for a variety of things. Also, any "World Bank" would be corrupt to some extent, given that many nations would default on loans, etc. through no fault of their own and be subject to stict austerity measures in order to satisfy their creditors (i.e. the "World Bank"). I would think that the WA would want to avoid becoming a creditor organization and stick to promoting human rights and the like which will do more to foster economic prosperity throughout the NS world.

With Regards,
Ms. Abigail McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Empire of Lowell Leber.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Given that there is a limited economic pie to be shared

How so?

... it is not inherently corrupt that an developed economy in one nation would be dependent on underdeveloped economies for a variety of things.

I disagree. If your economy is completely dependent on preventing other nations from flourishing, it is inherently corrupt.

I would think that the WA would want to avoid becoming a creditor organization and stick to promoting human rights and the like which will do more to foster economic prosperity throughout the NS world.

As if granting freedom of expression or execution regulations creates economic well-being. That is a highly naive assumption.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Lowell Leber]

We will have to agree to disagree here Dr. Castro. The pie is limited because economics is practically a zero sum game.

[Audentias Gryphus]

It has been hard for us to come up with one that gives out grants to fund capital projects in developing countries: to define one is a huge challenge because it would take a lot of characters to define such as well as fluctuations in the overall economic climate of NS. Microcredit and Microgrants focuses on local-level projects such as enterprises and escaping poverty, but not capital projects.

The lowest in GDP and Government Budget is Hakinalia, which is low in relative terms, but they are purposely TRYING to have a small GDP, (inherently corrupt) and it isn't too bad considering there are only 133 million citizens, and it's the lowest in the NS world. It's GDP is 8.5%, and Zimbabwe, real life lowest economy, is at 4.3%. So, we could choose to provide support, but Glen, if you think a nation being inherently corrupt shouldn't receive funding or humanitarian aid, then the bill could reflect that.

[Glen-Rhodes]

We will have to agree to disagree here Dr. Castro. The pie is limited because economics is practically a zero sum game.

How is economics a zero-sum game? Just because you benefit does not mean I suffer. In fact, there are plenty of times where benefit begets benefit.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Lowell Leber]

We will have to agree to disagree here Dr. Castro. The pie is limited because economics is practically a zero sum game.

How is economics a zero-sum game? Just because you benefit does not mean I suffer. In fact, there are plenty of times where benefit begets benefit.

- Dr. B. Castro

True, but more times than not for someone to benefit someone must lose. Even if the loss is marginal.

[Glen-Rhodes]

True, but more times than not for someone to benefit someone must lose. Even if the loss is marginal.

Maybe on a micro, local scale, but a World Bank would be an international scale.

OOC: By the way, for the record, I do believe we're talking about this.

[Audentias Gryphus]

True, but more times than not for someone to benefit someone must lose. Even if the loss is marginal.

Maybe on a micro, local scale, but a World Bank would be an international scale.

OOC: By the way, for the record, I do believe we're talking about this.

OOC: We are. It provides funds to the government, rather than citizens, as a socialist state would. Although, the countries could spend it as they want, and that could include tax cuts.

[Audentias Gryphus]

If any of those present find in favor of the construction of a World Bank, please say aye and signify if you wish to help co-author a bill.