Senior Citizens Act

[Grays Harbor]

Raising taxes to pay for those that were irresponsible for their retirement plans is immoral. Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? If you are going to be irresponsible with your money, no one else should be forced to bail you out.

If you want some sort of pension fund, that allow for the private sector to create one. It will be much better managed than a government program.

I quite agree, thank you. We should raise taxes for those that were irresponsible with other people's retirement plans.
' Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? ' I agree, the casino speculators, bankers, top financiers, irresponsible insurance industry and accountants, (Arthur Anderson, Fannie Mae- now taken over by the US govt. ), should pay. And yet we were forced to bail out the irresponsible by privatizing profits and nationalizing the losses.

So instead we are supposed to bend over for your communistic "cradle to grave" philosophy? Because you believe some are "frivolous", it does not automatically follow that all are "frivolous". That is a false assumption. Your argument appears based more on an antagonism towards capitalist systems while favouring communist systems. This, to us, is disturbing, and borders on ideological bans.

We get it, you hate capitalists. You love communists. We do not all wish to be communists. Stop trying to push ideology in the guise of "helping".

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Ms. Harper has decided to pursue on a compromise regarding the reduction of compulsory retirements, something that (hopefully) many ideologies can agree on. I think that idea could be harnessed to increase the output from member states.

[Glen-Rhodes]

What part of "MOST" was unclear to you, Castro? We would never ever speak for you. Our mind works rationally, unlike some.

Actually, I think you'll find that 'most' used to be you guys, but 'most' of you guys left quite some time ago. Indeed, considering how much 'social engineering' the World Assembly has done already, it's arguable whether 'most' of the World Assembly ever actually opposed it.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Epistamai]

I quite agree, thank you. We should raise taxes for those that were irresponsible with other people's retirement plans.
' Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? ' I agree, the casino speculators, bankers, top financiers, irresponsible insurance industry and accountants, (Arthur Anderson, Fannie Mae- now taken over by the US govt. ), should pay. And yet we were forced to bail out the irresponsible by privatizing profits and nationalizing the losses.

As long as you have a competent, and fair legal system there should be no problem. Those responsible can be sued to hell.

I do find it rather peculiar that you raise the point of government bailouts to my comment. You are well aware that I am very right wing... of course I don't like government bailouts, governments should let those failures die... while making those responsible pay for their misdeeds. I think it is more of a matter for criminal justice, rather than a right/left wing economic debate.

You should make sure to make a point between corporatism and capitalism/free markets. OOC: I'm sure that a person such as yourself that uses a Soviet flag should be well aware of the differences between stupid politicians and utopian ideologies.

IC: Corrupt politicians are similar to pirates, everybody hates them.

[Grays Harbor]

What part of "MOST" was unclear to you, Castro? We would never ever speak for you. Our mind works rationally, unlike some.

Actually, I think you'll find that 'most' used to be you guys, but 'most' of you guys left quite some time ago. Indeed, considering how much 'social engineering' the World Assembly has done already, it's arguable whether 'most' of the World Assembly ever actually opposed it.

- Dr. B. Castro

Ah. Then we are not permitted to have our own opinion, but must instead follow the herd, then? Just trying to get the lay of the land here.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Ah. Then we are not permitted to have our own opinion, but must instead follow the herd, then? Just trying to get the lay of the land here.

Oh, no, please have your own opinion. However, don't try and qualify it with saying, "Most of the World Assembly agrees with me."

- Dr. B. Castro

[Grays Harbor]

How magnanamous of you.

[Glen-Rhodes]

How magnanamous of you.

I try my best, sometimes.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Rechnarg]

Chrome throws her sketchbook at the representative from Parti Ovwhatstheirname and yells something in her native language, which her mechanical translator simply translates as a bunch of static. One of Chrome's Human aides rises and bows his head, blushing fierce red.

"We do not believe that this legislation was written well, or even given much thought to, since as the Faerie has said before, there are a multitude of races within the WA and Universe who are extremely long-lived. Including Rechnargans. Which is why the Honored Reprisentative is currently calling up her superiors and asking them if she can go on a vacation from all this stupidity."

[Parti Ouvrier]

Chrome throws her sketchbook at the representative from Parti Ovwhatstheirname and yells something in her native language, which her mechanical translator simply translates as a bunch of static. One of Chrome's Human aides rises and bows his head, blushing fierce red.

"We do not believe that this legislation was written well, or even given much thought to, since as the Faerie has said before, there are a multitude of races within the WA and Universe who are extremely long-lived. Including Rechnargans. Which is why the Honored Reprisentative is currently calling up her superiors and asking them if she can go on a vacation from all this stupidity."

7.8% of your population aren't working anyway!

[Philimbesi]

As the text of this draft has been removed we rise to congratulate it's author for coming to their senses and removing it.

Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador WA

[Rechnarg]

Chrome throws her sketchbook at the representative from Parti Ovwhatstheirname and yells something in her native language, which her mechanical translator simply translates as a bunch of static. One of Chrome's Human aides rises and bows his head, blushing fierce red.

"We do not believe that this legislation was written well, or even given much thought to, since as the Faerie has said before, there are a multitude of races within the WA and Universe who are extremely long-lived. Including Rechnargans. Which is why the Honored Reprisentative is currently calling up her superiors and asking them if she can go on a vacation from all this stupidity."

7.8% of your population aren't working anyway!

Chrome holds up a thick book entitled "2010 Census of Rechnarg Population" and throws it at the representative from Parti Ouvrier. The book lands on his desk and flips open to page 129-130, where after a few seconds of scrolling one can see in the second paragraph of page 129 that the estimated count of Rechnarg's population is around 730 million. Chrome waves her hand at one of her Human aides and he stands.

"Considering our population, we think that a mere 7.8 % of the population out of work doesn't really amount to that much. And besides, most of that is just crippled old people anyways."

[Philimbesi]

What's this talk of using unemployment statistics to indicate those who are retired? Unemployment is the measurement of people who want to work but can't find work, at least it is in the USP. A retired person doesn't wish to work therefore they wouldn't count into that statistic.


Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador to the WA.

[Meekinos]

What's this talk of using unemployment statistics to indicate those who are retired? Unemployment is the measurement of people who want to work but can't find work, at least it is in the USP. A retired person doesn't wish to work therefore they wouldn't count into that statistic.


Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador to the WA.

Nigel, my friend, I'm afraid your point may not be taken. Others have already tried to explain the same concept but we doubt it'll sink in. I'm sure that your statistic also doesn't account for people who want to work but can't due to reasons beyond their control as well as students and homemakers? Am I correct?

[Philimbesi]

Quite right ambassador, though in reality, we don't go door to door and ask people if why they are out of work. It might be more accurate to say it is the number of people who are actively collecting unemployment reimbursement from the states. So if they are collecting unemployment and they are students or homemakers then yes.

[Meekinos]

Quite right ambassador, though in reality, we don't go door to door and ask people if why they are out of work. It might be more accurate to say it is the number of people who are actively collecting unemployment reimbursement from the states. So if they are collecting unemployment and they are students or homemakers then yes.

We just wondered how you got your numbers since our bi-annual short form census asks our citizens about this and it one of hundred of thousands of stats recorded by the Ministry of Statistics.

[Philimbesi]

We were including that in the census information but USP citizens tend to be very prideful and don't' want to admit that they have no employment to a government official. So the Department of Labor started using the numbers of Citizens who are collecting one of the two unemployment reimbursements we have in place.

The first is for those who can work, and simply can't find a position. Our Department of Labor will pay the reimbursement, and also had the capacity to help them find a job. Using commerce and education funds to pay for it.

The second is for those who can't work due to permanent injury.

OOC: Translation I've got no bloody clue where the number come from Honestly I tend to RP the USP a lot smaller using the population number as the total number of citizens the USP has ever had and then taking a percentage of that number out as decesed. So all my numbers are lower than what's there. (Unless I'm feeling blustery then I act like I could run a nation with close to 7 billion people in it )