Senior Citizens Act

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I think a better compromise would be a simple resolution which bans compulsory retirement and affirms the right to retirement, while allowing member states to set a threshold of retirement of their choice (a la Threshold of Majority). It could go under Free trade, Mild, on the basis of improving economic efficiency and encouraging citizens to work as long as they like.

[Philimbesi]

The ambassador stated to me earlier in the debate that the topic of how unpleasant a job would be up to a democratic vote.

[Mesogiria]

The ambassador stated to me earlier in the debate that the topic of how unpleasant a job would be up to a democratic vote.

Ah, thank you, esteemed delegate. I was distracted by the incessant bickering that seems to have erupted here.

I suppose then the question becomes "A democratic vote by whom?" I don't think any segment of any electorate can be counted upon not to favor itself unfairly in such a vote.

[Philimbesi]

You're most welcome... and you ask a most excellent question. One I fear I don't have answer for.


Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador to the WA

[Parti Ouvrier]

I think a better compromise would be a simple resolution which bans compulsory retirement and affirms the right to retirement, while allowing member states to set a threshold of retirement of their choice (a la Threshold of Majority). It could go under Free trade, Mild, on the basis of improving economic efficiency and encouraging citizens to work as long as they like.

I'm glad someone is thinking rationally. Feel free to re-write it in your own words, you have my permission to use any of my words.

[Epistamai]

How is this an international issue? Stop trying to force your lazy commie ways on other nations.

If you want your government to be ever present in the lives of your citizens than do so... just keep your economically disastrous and oppressive policies to yourself.

[Parti Ouvrier]

'We are in the minority.... We must teach the masses not to trust the Compromisers and defensists.'

L.Trotsky, (The Bolsheviks and Lenin) History of the Russian Revolution

[Philimbesi]

"Those who quote others... can't defend their own opinions" ~Philimbesi.

[Grays Harbor]

"Those who quote others... can't defend their own opinions" ~Philimbesi.

Well put.

[Epistamai]

The only good communist is a dead communist

A much better known quote than yours.

[Parti Ouvrier]

How is this an international issue? Stop trying to force your lazy commie ways on other nations.

If you want your government to be ever present in the lives of your citizens than do so... just keep your economically disastrous and oppressive policies to yourself.

Another comment based on irrationality. And coming from a nation that spends most of its budget on defense and law and order I find it incredible that you say that. How's NAZI Europe? Surplus capital and profit,(falling rate of profit) causes unemployment. We could abolish unemployment by sharing the work.

[Parti Ouvrier]

"Those who quote others... can't defend their own opinions" ~Philimbesi.

Well put.

Wasn't personal, no of course not!

And I'm sorry, but I read.

[Epistamai]

Another comment based on irrationality. And coming from a nation that spends most of its budget on defense and law and order I find it incredible that you say that. How's NAZI Europe? Surplus capital and profit,(falling rate of profit) causes unemployment. We could abolish unemployment by sharing the work.

National defense, law and order, and education. The government should not be involved in anything else. The government's purpose is to create and implement laws, so that the private sector can run smoothly. National defense is a great example of a public good, that is also very important. Education is important for the government so that everyone can educate themselves, no matter what their background. Once they have their education, it is up to the individual to exercise personal responsibility.

I assure you that we attempt to privatize as much as we can, in the above cases, government funds the programs, which are delivered by private contracts. Police services are largely privately owned and contracted by the government, as is the education system and much of the military.

And yes, life in NAZI EUROPE is very nice. Very few communists.

OOC:

[Parti Ouvrier]

Another comment based on irrationality. And coming from a nation that spends most of its budget on defense and law and order I find it incredible that you say that. How's NAZI Europe? Surplus capital and profit,(falling rate of profit) causes unemployment. We could abolish unemployment by sharing the work.

National defense, law and order, and education. The government should not be involved in anything else. The government's purpose is to create and implement laws, so that the private sector can run smoothly. National defense is a great example of a public good, that is also very important. Education is important for the government so that everyone can educate themselves, no matter what their background. Once they have their education, it is up to the individual to exercise personal responsibility.

I assure you that we attempt to privatize as much as we can, in the above cases, government funds the programs, which are delivered by private contracts. Police services are largely privately owned and contracted by the government, as is the education system and much of the military.

And yes, life in NAZI EUROPE is very nice. Very few communists.

OOC:

Yes, I know an anti-communist Nationalist when I see one.

[Philimbesi]

And I'm sorry, but I read.

As do I... I just try not to regurgitate, especially since it tends to get on everyone's shoes and make them not like me.

[Mesogiria]

You're most welcome... and you ask a most excellent question. One I fear I don't have answer for.


Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador to the WA

"Somehow, I don't think an answer is likely to be forthcoming at this time."

Delegate Rodriguez sits back in her chair and sighs deeply. Thank the Goddess I get hardship pay for this crap she thinks.

[Philimbesi]

While we're asking questions that aren't going to be answered. Getting back to the idea of state pensions. In the USP a quick calculation indicates we have 938 million retired citizens. )Incidentally that is 637 million more than the ambassador has in his entire country...)

I would assume the ambassador feels as though the USP should raise the income tax rate on it's workforce to pay for it?

[Parti Ouvrier]

While we're asking questions that aren't going to be answered. Getting back to the idea of state pensions. In the USP a quick calculation indicates we have 938 million retired citizens. )Incidentally that is 637 million more than the ambassador has in his entire country...)

I would assume the ambassador feels as though the USP should raise the income tax rate on it's workforce to pay for it?

At least you admit it is an assumption.

[Mesogiria]

While we're asking questions that aren't going to be answered. Getting back to the idea of state pensions. In the USP a quick calculation indicates we have 938 million retired citizens. )Incidentally that is 637 million more than the ambassador has in his entire country...)

I would assume the ambassador feels as though the USP should raise the income tax rate on it's workforce to pay for it?

At least you admit it is an assumption.

And yet you have nothing else to say. Perhaps someone ought to contact your government, and determine if hey think their money spent on your salary well spent.

[Philimbesi]

Sorry ambassador was my question unclear?

[Glen-Rhodes]

Demand all you want to. This sort of social engineering is unwelcome to most here.

Please speak for yourself. Some of us have already drafted a proposal on social security.

- Dr. B. Castro

[Epistamai]

Raising taxes to pay for those that were irresponsible for their retirement plans is immoral. Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? If you are going to be irresponsible with your money, no one else should be forced to bail you out.

If you want some sort of pension fund, that allow for the private sector to create one. It will be much better managed than a government program.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Raising taxes to pay for those that were irresponsible for their retirement plans is immoral. Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? If you are going to be irresponsible with your money, no one else should be forced to bail you out.

If you want some sort of pension fund, that allow for the private sector to create one. It will be much better managed than a government program.

I quite agree, thank you. We should raise taxes for those that were irresponsible with other people's retirement plans.
' Why should responsible members of society be punished for the frivolous spending and short sightedness of a minority? ' I agree, the casino speculators, bankers, top financiers, irresponsible insurance industry and accountants, (Arthur Anderson, Fannie Mae- now taken over by the US govt. ), should pay. And yet we were forced to bail out the irresponsible by privatizing profits and nationalizing the losses.

[Philimbesi]

And how does the ambassador expect to retrieve income taxes from a citizen who isn't making an INCOME?

[Grays Harbor]

Demand all you want to. This sort of social engineering is unwelcome to most here.

Please speak for yourself. Some of us have already drafted a proposal on social security.

- Dr. B. Castro

What part of "MOST" was unclear to you, Castro? We would never ever speak for you. Our mind works rationally, unlike some.