Repeal Restrictions on Child Labor (DRAFT)

[Syvorji]

As the newest ambassador, Lucas Chernenko will accept all critiques for this proposal for the World Assembly

Past Drafts

Repeal Restrictions on Child Labor

Acknowledging how good it brought to various nations in the World Assembly;
Yet, at the same time, feeling the economy should not tied down to human rights
Hoping that this is a step in ensuring a global stable economy;
Argues that as long as it is in effect, in the long the economy will decline, into a recession,
Hereby repeals Resolution #4 of the World Assembly.

Repeal Restrictions on Child Labor

Acknowledging how good it brought to various nations in the World Assembly;
Yet, at the same time, feeling the economy should not tied down to human rights
Hoping that this is a step in ensuring a global stable economy;
ArguesArguing the true fact that as long as it is in effect, in the long the economy will decline, into a recession,
Claiming that despite education, industry and labor, is more important than any education,
Believing people will improve their products and ensuring good quality in the future economy;
Praising the economy if that resolution is repealed,
Hereby repeals Resolution #4 of the World Assembly.

Voting ends in 4 days, 9 hours

CURRENT DRAFT
Repeal Restrictions on Child Labor

Acknowledging how good it brought to various nations in the World Assembly;
Yet, at the same time, feeling the economy should not tied down to human rights
Believing that without slavery, children can work heavy industrial jobs as long as they want to,
Saying that economy is better than education, including a step to a strong economy;
Praising the economy if the resolution is repealed,
Hereby repeals Resolution #4, Restrictions on Child Labor.

Voting ends in 4 days, 9 hours.

Ideas, critiques, comments?

Lucas Chernenko
Syvorjin Ambassador to the WA since 2010
Secretary of the 69th Congress from 2004 to 2005

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honoured ambassador from Syvorji, it is possible to have a powerhouse economy without child slavery. We feel that a balance needs to be struck between ethics and globalisation.

Ms. S. Harper.

[Syvorji]

Honoured ambassador from Syvorji, it is possible to have a powerhouse economy without child slavery. We feel that a balance needs to be struck between ethics and globalisation.

Ms. S. Harper.

Yes, but to the poor nations that in order to be powerhouse, for child slavery to be in use, and I want to see the poor nations blossom into powerhouse economies. It however will take many drafts before it can go into the queue, and in fact, once it is perfect, I shall place that in the queue.

Signed,
Lucas Chernenko
Syvorjin Ambassador since 2010
Secretary of the 69th Congress from 2004 to 2005

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg still feels that child slavery is universally cruel. poor nations can still blossom into powerhouse economies if children were paid for reasonable light work, but again education before work leads to financial success.

[Syvorji]

The ambassador of Syvorji still feels that the economy is more important than human rights, and that in the economy, if children want to work, they can, but if they are in the WA, they cannot work whenever they want to except light work, such as volunteering. The repeal will open up doors to allowing children to work when they want, and if they want to be slaves, they can. Economy is better than education.

[Flibbleites]

Honoured ambassador from Syvorji, it is possible to have a powerhouse economy without child slavery. We feel that a balance needs to be struck between ethics and globalisation.

Ms. S. Harper.

Yes, but to the poor nations that in order to be powerhouse, for child slavery to be in use, and I want to see the poor nations blossom into powerhouse economies. It however will take many drafts before it can go into the queue, and in fact, once it is perfect, I shall place that in the queue.

Signed,
Lucas Chernenko
Syvorjin Ambassador since 2010
Secretary of the 69th Congress from 2004 to 2005

Mr. Chernenko, slavery, both child and adult, is banned under Ban on Slavery and Trafficking. So you might want to rethink your wording there.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The ambassador of Syvorji still feels that the economy is more important than human rights, and that in the economy, if children want to work, they can, but if they are in the WA, they cannot work whenever they want to except light work, such as volunteering. The repeal will open up doors to allowing children to work when they want, and if they want to be slaves, they can. Economy is better than education.

But what about those who do not want to be slaves, Mr. Chernenko? Wouldn't that mean that abusive gang-masters would then have a free run?

[Syvorji]

To: Bob Flibble
From: Lucas Chernenko

We will have to reword it right away.

Signed,
Lucas Chernenko

[Embolalia]

S... Seriously? Child labor? You want to repeal child labor? I mean, it'd be one thing if there were a flaw in the resolution, but you aren't even claiming that! In fact, it seems to me your entire repeal is based on a NatSov argument. Which, if I'm not mistaken, renders it illegal. Or at the very least, preposterous.

[Mythasia]

Mythasia disagrees. The removal of human rights is not necessary to drive the economy.

[Epistamai]

You people are grievously mistaken in your presumptions. Child labour is not for the powerhouse economies, child labour is used when the state of poverty requires it. The vast majority of parents do not willingly remove their children from school so that they can work, they do it because the alternative is starvation. When you remove the option of child labour, those child workers are now jobless, and can amount to nothing more than mere beggars... because some rich person in another country can not accept that it is the child worker's CHOICE to work or not.

OOC: This is actually true, countries (and their poor) that are forced to ban child labour suffer even more without it. Just a fun fact for you that might be interested, rather than just dismissing child labour over the grounds of "human rights"... like many "feel good" policies, banning child labour hurts the people its supposed to help.

Back IC: As a bonus to giving people jobs that they would otherwise not have, this could help turn a poor country's prospects around. From being a poor country that no one cares about, they could create a comparative advantage in unskilled labour. I believe that most of the opposition to this repel comes from either those bleeding hearts who adore their "feel good" crap policies, as well as protectionists who are using this as an excuse so that they do not have to face cheap labour from hard working people. In either case, you are a blight upon the concept of wealth and progress! protectionism should be considered a crime against humanity!

[Linux and the X]

While we do not support slavery (which is, in any case, banned anyway), we do support allowing all citizens the choice to work.

[Syvorji]

Thanks for these comments. Here is my end of the bargain.

It is not a NatSov argument. It is not child slavery. And thanks for the support, Epistamai, and we have to repeal that resolution, since we feel if a poor nation in poverty wants to at least try and gain some stability, it should. And we want the citizens to work freely with some restrictions but NOT A LOT.

[Eireann Fae]

The small girl (OOC: one of these days I'm gonna have to name her...) pulls out her codex containing the Assembly resolutions to date, and pulls up #4. She quietly reads the text of the resolution to the Emissary Episky, who considers the text for a bit before responding. When both are ready, the girl pockets her codex and rises, the Faerie representative of the Eireann Fae already whispering instructions in her ear.

"It is the opinion of the Eireann Fae that the existing legislation, Restrictions on Child Labor, is fair and reasonable, and should remain in place. My Human ward here, who addresses you now, has yet to reach adolescence, and yet is working fairly within the letter of the law. We pay her an honest wage, and she is not subjected to harsh working or living conditions. There are working opportunities for children that are still possible even with the existing laws. We see no reason to appeal Resolution #4 as it is written."

[Mesogiria]

The small girl (OOC: one of these days I'm gonna have to name her...) pulls out her codex containing the Assembly resolutions to date, and pulls up #4. She quietly reads the text of the resolution to the Emissary Episky, who considers the text for a bit before responding. When both are ready, the girl pockets her codex and rises, the Faerie representative of the Eireann Fae already whispering instructions in her ear.

"It is the opinion of the Eireann Fae that the existing legislation, Restrictions on Child Labor, is fair and reasonable, and should remain in place. My Human ward here, who addresses you now, has yet to reach adolescence, and yet is working fairly within the letter of the law. We pay her an honest wage, and she is not subjected to harsh working or living conditions. There are working opportunities for children that are still possible even with the existing laws. We see no reason to appeal Resolution #4 as it is written."

"Given that the main objections of my government to the permission of child labor are its frequent preclusion of education and assumption that children are capable of giving informed consent, I trust that your... Ward, as you say, esteemed Delegate, is under no compulsion? I ask only because my government desires up-to-date and accurate information in my reports on WA sessions and debates, and having to return to ask their inevitable questions later would only be a waste of everyone's valuable time."

[Embolalia]

And we want the citizens to work freely with some restrictions but NOT A LOT.

That's what we have. Really, it only bans children from working in extreme conditions, for long hours, in prostitution, or in war. It's not like it says minors can't work at all. Minors just can't be miners.

[Eireann Fae]

"Given that the main objections of my government to the permission of child labor are its frequent preclusion of education and assumption that children are capable of giving informed consent, I trust that your... Ward, as you say, esteemed Delegate, is under no compulsion? I ask only because my government desires up-to-date and accurate information in my reports on WA sessions and debates, and having to return to ask their inevitable questions later would only be a waste of everyone's valuable time."

"Must we remind the Ambassador from Mesogiria," continues Rowan (OOC: appropriate enough name I thought of, considering the Faerie's Wiccan affiliations), "that existing legislature forbids children from working in such a way that they are deprived a chance at a full education and an otherwise healthy lifestyle? Specifically, Clause B, Section 7 states that it 'Bans the employment of minors in ... work which would preclude the pursuit of a full-time education, such as work for long hours or work where they are unreasonably confined to the premises of the employer.' Your concerns are unwarranted, given current legislation. As for my ward, Rowan, she in particular is well-educated and much beloved among our peoples. She is well paid to provide this service, and her love of linguistics brought her to us. We in no way coerced her to take on this job, but we are very grateful for her service, and the passion with which she pursues this career."

At this, the girl nods her silent agreement, and smiles. Being the youngest translator for an official diplomat of the Eireann Fae fills her with great pride, and she wants it known that she wouldn't have it any other way.

[Philimbesi]

Minors just can't be miners

.... Oh, I see what you did there...

[Mesogiria]

"Must we remind the Ambassador from Mesogiria," continues Rowan (OOC: appropriate enough name I thought of, considering the Faerie's Wiccan affiliations), "that existing legislature forbids children from working in such a way that they are deprived a chance at a full education and an otherwise healthy lifestyle? Specifically, Clause B, Section 7 states that it 'Bans the employment of minors in ... work which would preclude the pursuit of a full-time education, such as work for long hours or work where they are unreasonably confined to the premises of the employer.' Your concerns are unwarranted, given current legislation. As for my ward, Rowan, she in particular is well-educated and much beloved among our peoples. She is well paid to provide this service, and her love of linguistics brought her to us. We in no way coerced her to take on this job, but we are very grateful for her service, and the passion with which she pursues this career."

At this, the girl nods her silent agreement, and smiles. Being the youngest translator for an official diplomat of the Eireann Fae fills her with great pride, and she wants it known that she wouldn't have it any other way.

"Ah, thank you," replied Kelly Rodriguez from her seat. "I have been reviewing the relavent legislation, but that paragraph seems to have slipped past my staff and myself. It is indeed good to hear such things, particularly in this rather nasty world we inhabit. I would also like to offer personal congratulations to Ms. Rowan for her outstanding service on behalf of your nation. The outh, ater all, are the future, and it is good that she should set an example for them."

[Syvorji]

And we want the citizens to work freely with some restrictions but NOT A LOT.

That's what we have. Really, it only bans children from working in extreme conditions, for long hours, in prostitution, or in war. It's not like it says minors can't work at all. Minors just can't be miners.

By some, I mean like no torturing, no slavery. However, child soldiers ought to help their army. As well, by some restrictions but not a lot, I mean like only some restrictions.

Signed,
Lucas Chernenko
Syvorjin Ambassador to the WA since 2010
Secretary of the 69th Congress from 2004 to 2005

[Embolalia]

That's what we have. Really, it only bans children from working in extreme conditions, for long hours, in prostitution, or in war. It's not like it says minors can't work at all. Minors just can't be miners.

By some, I mean like no torturing, no slavery. However, child soldiers ought to help their army. As well, by some restrictions but not a lot, I mean like only some restrictions.

Honestly, that is a cruel and barbaric position. If you believe that, fine. But if you think this assembly is going to vote to let minors be soldiers, you don't know the first thing about this assembly.

[Thee Cheshire Cat]

The simple thought of child labor is sickening.

[Eireann Fae]

Rowan, child translator of the Emissary Episky, shoots the Ambassador from Thee Cheshire Cat a glance, but holds her tongue. Episky makes a somewhat more rude gesture to the foreign diplomat, which Rowan doesn't bother to translate.

[Epistamai]

The simple thought of child labor is sickening.

I am sure you would not rather see them starve. This issue is much less clear cut and simple as it may first appear. Banning child labour is only addressing a symptom of poverty; essentially that policy is useless (and as I have mentioned earlier, in some cases it is actually hurtful to the people who it is supposed to help).

Too many people dismiss this issue without thinking about it for more than 5 seconds.

[Darenjo]

In short, no. We just do not agree with your reasoning. All children have a right to be educated, instead of being shoved into some factory or mine.