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Postby Socialist EU » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:09 pm

Balthorvia wrote:
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Thank you. But since it is just a game, why are ideological bans taken so seriously?


A lot of people like to play this game seriously and treat it as if it were a real simulation of international politics and relations; basically like a mock UN. I do a similar thing with role-playing in the International Incidents section.

From a more "legal" perspective, rules have been placed against ideological bans in order to prevent somebody from totally outlawing another player's chosen national model. I imagine, for example, that you would be quite outraged if the World Assembly passed a resolution banning your nation from implementing Socialist policies.


I would be outraged, that much is true, but it be a lesson to me. It would suggest the failure of revolutionary tactics as fascism serves as a punishment for the failure of the left to win over the majority, including the majority internationally, (or should I say inter-regionally). Thankfully, this is just a game, and the worst that would happen is that I would not be able to enact the policies I like, I would still be fine. RL is a much scarier matter though.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:13 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Balthorvia wrote:
A lot of people like to play this game seriously and treat it as if it were a real simulation of international politics and relations; basically like a mock UN. I do a similar thing with role-playing in the International Incidents section.

From a more "legal" perspective, rules have been placed against ideological bans in order to prevent somebody from totally outlawing another player's chosen national model. I imagine, for example, that you would be quite outraged if the World Assembly passed a resolution banning your nation from implementing Socialist policies.


I would be outraged, that much is true, but it be a lesson to me. It would suggest the failure of revolutionary tactics as fascism serves as a punishment for the failure of the left to win over the majority, including the majority internationally. Thankfully, this is just a game, and the worst that would happen is that I would not be able to enact the policies I like, I would still be fine. RL is a much scarier matter though.


It would also make it hard seeing as there are many different WA Catagories that include ideologies. One cannot ban Dictatorships when there are several different "Dictatorship" WA Catagorites.
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Postby Socialist EU » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:14 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
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I would be outraged, that much is true, but it be a lesson to me. It would suggest the failure of revolutionary tactics as fascism serves as a punishment for the failure of the left to win over the majority, including the majority internationally. Thankfully, this is just a game, and the worst that would happen is that I would not be able to enact the policies I like, I would still be fine. RL is a much scarier matter though.


It would also make it hard seeing as there are many different WA Catagories that include ideologies. One cannot ban Dictatorships when there are several different "Dictatorship" WA Catagorites.


That's an interesting point, thanks.
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Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby Balthorvia » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:15 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Balthorvia wrote:
A lot of people like to play this game seriously and treat it as if it were a real simulation of international politics and relations; basically like a mock UN. I do a similar thing with role-playing in the International Incidents section.

From a more "legal" perspective, rules have been placed against ideological bans in order to prevent somebody from totally outlawing another player's chosen national model. I imagine, for example, that you would be quite outraged if the World Assembly passed a resolution banning your nation from implementing Socialist policies.


I would be outraged, that much is true, but it be a lesson to me. It would suggest the failure of revolutionary tactics as fascism serves as a punishment for the failure of the left to win over the majority, including the majority internationally. Thankfully, this is just a game, and the worst that would happen is that I would not be able to enact the policies I like, I would still be fine. RL is a much scarier matter though.


Perhaps that is true, but as you have surmised, this is not real-life; your actions on this website will not affect the actual conditions of the proletariat in the real world. If your wish is to play a game and participate in debate and discussion, whilst simulating the complexities of international politics and legislation, then you are in the right place. If, however, you have come here with the intention of trying to stir the other players of this website to become activists in the cause in international socialism, I fear you will not meet with much success; or, regrettably, much hospitality.
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Postby Socialist EU » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:24 pm

Balthorvia wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:
I would be outraged, that much is true, but it be a lesson to me. It would suggest the failure of revolutionary tactics as fascism serves as a punishment for the failure of the left to win over the majority, including the majority internationally. Thankfully, this is just a game, and the worst that would happen is that I would not be able to enact the policies I like, I would still be fine. RL is a much scarier matter though.


Perhaps that is true, but as you have surmised, this is not real-life; your actions on this website will not affect the actual conditions of the proletariat in the real world. If your wish is to play a game and participate in debate and discussion, whilst simulating the complexities of international politics and legislation, then you are in the right place. If, however, you have come here with the intention of trying to stir the other players of this website to become activists in the cause in international socialism, I fear you will not meet with much success; or, regrettably, much hospitality.


Another interesting point, and evidently right. But the bourgeoisie fought hard to get democracy for themselves and made many mistakes on the way and now it is our turn, history is on our side, but we have to fail better to coin a phrase from Slavoj Zizek. Of course capitalism was a great thing in its day, however, it is becoming increasingly irrational and archaic.
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby Mousebumples » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:27 pm

Socialist EU wrote:Another interesting point, and evidently right. But the bourgeoisie fought hard to get democracy for themselves and made many mistakes on the way and now it is our turn, history is on our side, but we have to fail better to coin a phrase from Slavoj Zizek. Of course capitalism was a great thing in its day, however, it is becoming increasingly irrational and archaic.

Another reference to Slavoj Zizek? Am I alone in thinking that Socialist EU is Parti Ouvrier under a different flag?
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Postby Socialist EU » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:30 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:Another interesting point, and evidently right. But the bourgeoisie fought hard to get democracy for themselves and made many mistakes on the way and now it is our turn, history is on our side, but we have to fail better to coin a phrase from Slavoj Zizek. Of course capitalism was a great thing in its day, however, it is becoming increasingly irrational and archaic.

Another reference to Slavoj Zizek? Am I alone in thinking that Socialist EU is Parti Ouvrier under a different flag?


How did you guess? :)
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:50 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Mousebumples wrote:Another reference to Slavoj Zizek? Am I alone in thinking that Socialist EU is Parti Ouvrier under a different flag?


How did you guess? :)


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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:56 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:
How did you guess? :)


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To which he will simply reply that rules and laws are a tool of the bouguie masses to hinder the socialist cause.
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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:58 pm

To which the mods will inevitably conclude is going nowhere and summarily lock the thread.
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