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DRAFT- Military Identification Convention

Postby New Hayesalia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:13 am

NOTING the use of false national identities in warfare, luring soldiers into fatal situations under the guise of safety;

DEFINING-
- National Identities as military exterior markings, including, but not limited to, flags, ensigns, roundels, emblems, uniforms, signatures and signals
- A "dangerous situation" as a military ambush with intention to attack enemy soldiers
-"Soldiers" as lawful combatants in the military of a nation
- the "Flag of Truce" as a white flag which internationally signifies a surrender
- "markings" as national emblems which are specific to a national military

HEREBY
i. Bans incorrect external markings on aerial vehicles, fixed-wing or rotorcraft and naval vessels
ii. Restricts the action in the ground forces of nations, as a viable tactic, however correct markings must be assumed before conflict.
iii. ABSOLOUTELY bans the use of the Flag of Truce for-
(a) The feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;
(b) The feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;
(c) The feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and
(d) The feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the World Assembly, International Aid Organisations, or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.
iv. It is hereby prohibited to make use in an armed conflict of the flags or military emblems, insignia or uniforms of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.
v. It is prohibited to make use of the flags or military emblems, insignia or uniforms of adverse Parties while engaging in attacks or in order to shield, favour, protect or impede military operations.
vi. Nothing in this Article or in shall affect the existing generally recognized rules of international law applicable to espionage or to the use of flags in the conduct of armed conflict at sea.

CONCLUDES that these underhanded tactics shall not be used again in conventional warfare between WA nations.
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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:22 am

The HRC takes issue with section i. This fails to take into account Special Operations Forces use of enemy uniform and insignia for infiltration behind the forward edge of battle area. This further hampers the use of civilian disguise during the course of Special Operations.For this issue and this issue alone the HRC stands against.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78531
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79073&p=3753933#p3753933

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Postby New Hayesalia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:28 am

Civilian camouflage, if you will, is acceptable. If your spec ops were so special, would they really need to hide their identity? Secondly, it permits non-national markings until a point of conflict, ie, a firefight. As for aircraft, an unidentified aicraft flying into enemy territory would attract attention, disguised as not, if it did not reply to radio. As such, they hide. Meaning they arent seen. Meaning they dont really exist to the enemy.
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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:32 am

New Hayesalia wrote:Civilian camouflage, if you will, is acceptable. If your spec ops were so special, would they really need to hide their identity? Secondly, it permits non-national markings until a point of conflict, ie, a firefight.



The use in false flag insignia and civilian disguise are common tactics for special operations forces. Hiding identity is a tried and true method of infiltration. You haven't changed our stance on this matter. The remainder of the proposal we can agree with, but with section i left in place we are unable to offer our support.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78531
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=79073&p=3753933#p3753933

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Postby New Hayesalia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:42 am

Section i refers to aircraft. I imagine your forces refer to ground crews. There are parts altered for ground forces. What category do you think this falls under?

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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:42 am

New Hayesalia wrote:What category do you think this falls under?


waste removal? sanitation? janitorial services?

thats where it belongs, anyhow.
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Postby Embolalia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:49 am

White flag? By all means, the flag of surrender must be mauve!
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:29 am

Embolalia wrote:White flag? By all means, the flag of surrender must be mauve!

OOC: It is a bit of an assumption that the white flag means surrender as much across NS as it does (at least to 'western' societies) in RL, isn't it? I'm rather tempted to have an observer from a nation that combines an all-white national flag with a proud martial history turn up turn here to complain... ;)

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New Hayesalia wrote:What category do you think this falls under?


waste removal? sanitation? janitorial services?

thats where it belongs, anyhow.

Without making any judgement about the actual value of this proposal, but noting that the 'false flag' has historically been quite a common ruse de guerre for ships at sea -- although actually entering combat while flying one has generally been seen as a wrongful action -- I would suggest that if armed forces are forbidden to use such disguises then there would obviously be no point in their acquiring the necessary materiel and therefore might be a small saving for their nations' defence budgets... So maybe, at least if this argument was actually explained in the text, it might qualify as 'Global Disarmament (Mild)'?
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Bears Armed wrote:To the Bears, for reasons that are lost in the depths of history, the traditional 'surrender' flag has three colours, arranged in "vertical" stripes, blue/white/red...

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Postby New Hayesalia » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:29 pm

The sinking of HMAS Sydney in WWII by a German ship hiding as a Dutch merchant made me want to implement it. Google it.

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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:33 pm

New Hayesalia wrote:The sinking of HMAS Sydney in WWII by a German ship hiding as a Dutch merchant made me want to implement it. Google it.


What are these "HMAS Sydney", "WWII", "German", "Dutch" and "Google" of which you speak of? We have no record of any of these things in our History department.

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Postby New Hayesalia » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:17 pm

CP's right. That's not an example for the actual proposal.


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