(DRAFT) International Nation States Sports Association Act

[Avoin Mieli]

Category: Advancement of Industry
Authored by: Avoin Mieli

(Section One) WHEREAS Sports are a wonderful way of drawing people together in a terms of a shared love of friendly competition.

(Section Two) RECOGNIZING That many nations participate and run Lacrosse, Football, Baseball tournaments on threads.

(Section Three) SUGGESTING That there be a creation of an Association to monitor and further advance the pace and convenience of said tournaments.

(Section Four) ALSO SUGGESTING That this Association will offer a variety of sports, creating individual leagues for individual sports (Such as a league for Basketball teams, Baseball teams, etc.)

(Section Five) STATING That in order for this Association to work, A moderator to keep track of said leagues.

(Section Six) DEFINING "Keep track of" simply as making sure that these individual stay intact.

(Section Seven) HEREBY Establishes the International Nation States Sports Association (INSSA) to monitor the progress and moderate the creation of individual sports leagues as defined in section 4.

(Section Eight) ALSO ESTABLISHING The following leagues for nations to join:

Nation States Basketball Association (NSBA)
Nation States Baseball League (NSBL)
Nation States Lacrosse League (NSLL)
Nation States Football Association (NSFA)
Nation States Soccer League (NSSL)
Nation States Hockey Association (NSHA)
Nation States Auto Racing Circuit (NSARC)
Nation States Professional Softball League (NSPSL)

[Glen-Rhodes]

Hm. 'Advancement of Industry' has the following Areas of Effect: environmental deregulation, labor deregulation, protective tariffs, and tort reform. Which ones does this proposal fall under?

[Mousebumples]

Legislating NS Sports?

Opposed as written.

Encouraging sports and athletics for youths in school (and perhaps recreational leagues for adults) might be a better approach to take that I could see myself potentially supporting ... depending on how it turns out.

[Avoin Mieli]

Hm. 'Advancement of Industry' has the following Areas of Effect: environmental deregulation, labor deregulation, protective tariffs, and tort reform. Which ones does this proposal fall under?

What would you suggest would be a better category, sir?

[Avoin Mieli]

Legislating NS Sports?

Opposed as written.

Encouraging sports and athletics for youths in school (and perhaps recreational leagues for adults) might be a better approach to take that I could see myself potentially supporting ... depending on how it turns out.

It is not the "legalization" of NS Sports, it is making NS Sports larger, it is expanding the amount of variety when it comes to leagues and it makes it easier for nations to join a league because of the creation of leagues mentioned in Section Eight of the bill.

[Mousebumples]

Legislating NS Sports?

Opposed as written.

It is not the "legalization" of NS Sports, it is making NS Sports larger, it is expanding the amount of variety when it comes to leagues and it makes it easier for nations to join a league because of the creation of leagues mentioned in Section Eight of the bill.

I didn't say that you were making NS Sports legal.

I said that you were LEGISLATING ... as in creating legislation with regards to NS Sports. (Which may or may not be legal. I'd have to double-check the rules to be certain. I'm thinking that it might be meta-gaming?)

Also, as you appear to be something of a newbie, this proposal (should it, theoretically, pass and become a WA resolution) would not affect the forum side of NS Sports. Such events could be role-played, but their would be no effects seen in the NS Sports forums.

[Avoin Mieli]

It is not the "legalization" of NS Sports, it is making NS Sports larger, it is expanding the amount of variety when it comes to leagues and it makes it easier for nations to join a league because of the creation of leagues mentioned in Section Eight of the bill.

I didn't say that you were making NS Sports legal.

I said that you were LEGISLATING ... as in creating legislation with regards to NS Sports. (Which may or may not be legal. I'd have to double-check the rules to be certain. I'm thinking that it might be meta-gaming?)

Also, as you appear to be something of a newbie, this proposal (should it, theoretically, pass and become a WA resolution) would not affect the forum side of NS Sports. Such events could be role-played, but their would be no effects seen in the NS Sports forums.

I did misread your text, I apologize. But I am legislating NS Sports. I am making it easier to navigate in the forum and it would be easier to track standings, etc. I would even personally go to lengths to create websites for each individual league.

[Erythrina]

As an ambassador who happens to be an Arcane Witch of the Order of Eldritch, I deplore the absence of Broom Nightraces.

Curse you! Curse you and all your generations!

May demons follow you even to the toilet!

May... okay, you got the message. Just stop it. Now.

[Mousebumples]

I did misread your text, I apologize. But I am legislating NS Sports. I am making it easier to navigate in the forum and it would be easier to track standings, etc. I would even personally go to lengths to create websites for each individual league.

That's what I thought you were doing.

And I still have questions regarding whether or not that is a legal proposal. Passing such a proposal will not actually change how anything runs in the NS Sports forum. That's not what the WA is for or how it is intended to work. All effects of the proposal (should it pass) would be seen only on the game side (i.e. with your nation's stats).

[Grays Harbor]

Why has this draft been posted as a proposal? Why is the WA being used to mandate/legislate game and forum issues? Why does this poll not contain a "none of the above" choice for those not interested in NS sports.

There is a subforum for sports. If you want to "improve" it, GO THERE. Don't try to mandate that everybody participate as many do not give two figs about NS sports.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

STATING That in order for this Association to work, A moderator to keep track of said leagues.

Is that even forcing forum activity?

-- Ms. Sarah Harper.

[Flibbleites]

(Section Five) STATING That in order for this Association to work, A moderator to keep track of said leagues.

Illegal, metagaming.

MetaGaming is a difficult to understand category at times, especially since it often shares jurisdiction with Game Mechanics violations. Essentially, a MetaGaming violation is one that breaks "the fourth wall", or attempts to force events outside of the WA itself. Proposals dealing with Regions, with other nations, Moderators, and requiring activities on the Forums are examples. This also includes proposals that try to affect non-WA nations.

[Embolalia]

^^ I suppose "moderator" could mean one who moderates, as opposed to an in-game moderator. But that would need to be defined as such in the proposal. Nevertheless, the author would certainly benefit from reading the proposal rules and guidelines:

What would you suggest would be a better category, sir?

Pick the category, then write the proposal to fit. Don't try and shoehorn the proposal into a category.

[Delaclava]

As an active member in the NS Sports forum, I have major problems with this. First of all, it's regulating a forum, which is technically illegal. More importantly, the NS Sports forum is good at self-governing, and we already have competitions in these sports that are very successful. A WA resolution would unnecessarily regulate it in a way which could have a harmful effect on NS Sports. I sincerely hope this never passes.

[Flibbleites]

^^ I suppose "moderator" could mean one who moderates, as opposed to an in-game moderator. But that would need to be defined as such in the proposal.

But it would still be mandating the action of a player which is still a metagaming violation.

[Glen-Rhodes]

But it would still be mandating the action of a player which is still a metagaming violation.

I think 'moderator,' in the proposal, does not refer to a moderator of an internet forum, but rather an actual moderator.

[Flibbleites]

But it would still be mandating the action of a player which is still a metagaming violation.

I think 'moderator,' in the proposal, does not refer to a moderator of an internet forum, but rather an actual moderator.

That's doesn't matter, it's still saying that person A has to do something which is still a metagaming violation.

[Glen-Rhodes]

That's doesn't matter, it's still saying that person A has to do something which is still a metagaming violation.

No, I mean the proposal isn't talking about a moderator in the real world. It's not saying Flibbleites or Ardchoille or Kryozerkia has to moderate sports leagues in the NS Sports forum. It's saying somebody (it actually doesn't specify a single person; 'moderator' can be a regular old committee) in the roleplay world has to oversee these sports leagues, which are also in the roleplay world.

[Ardchoille]

It's trying to change the game. It's metagaming. It's meant well, but in terms of effect it's as pointless at trying to legislate that the forum background colour be changed to a nice purple.

Avoin Mieli, the General Assembly (not the Security Council, which is a different part of the WA and has a different job) makes laws that affect the lives of the imaginary citizens of our imaginary nations.

The imaginary citizen can't "see" the rules that govern the game. Think about a kid playing with a toy. The kid moves the toy -- Vroom! The red car smashes into the green car! -- but the cars and their drivers don't "see" the giant hand that comes down and makes the red car smash into the green car.

Similarly, the imaginary citizen can't "see" that this game is played on the forums, or that the person who writes the words that make his favourite sports team go is having trouble sorting out the different leagues in the Sports Forum. Anything that tries to bring those facts to his notice -- anything that makes him think "OMG it's all just a game! I'm not real!" is metagaming.

Glen Rhodes, I get your point about "moderator" being a word that could be read as meaning "someone who oversees", and the proposal could, in some parts, be read as referring to the imaginary sporting leagues that our imaginary citizens play in, if they're that way inclined.

But the word has to be read in context with the rest of the proposal, and the rest of the proposal includes statements such as this:

RECOGNIZING That many nations participate and run Lacrosse, Football, Baseball tournaments on threads.

(Section Six) DEFINING "Keep track of" simply as making sure that these individual stay intact.

(I'm not quite sure what that one means, but I think it means that the mods have to oversee the action in each of the individual leagues, or make sure they continue to operate.)

So the proposal, as it is written, is evidently referring to a person/function that already exists. And since he's referred to "threads" earlier on, we're pointed to the "moderator" function that already exists in-game -- ie, me, Flib, Kryo.

If he is writing a proposal to establish a new sports system in our imaginary citizens' world, and the new system includes someone to keep track of it, he would have to give a name to that post -- fine, call it "moderator" -- and then describe its functions within the proposal, eg,

Officials, to be known as 'moderators', shall be appointed to keep track of the leagues.
Moderators shall be appointed on a limited term contract but may be dismissed at any time by (some governing committee?) for failure to perform the following duties ....

That is, if he wants a function called "moderator" in our imaginary citizens' world -- the roleplay world -- he has to roleplay it into existence, via the proposal. He has to create and define it.

[Glen-Rhodes]

But the word has to be read in context with the rest of the proposal, and the rest of the proposal includes statements such as this:

RECOGNIZING That many nations participate and run Lacrosse, Football, Baseball tournaments on threads.

Hm. I guess I didn't catch the word 'thread.'

[Saltha]

This porosal just seems pointless. If it were trying to unify the rules for international compititon and that was needed (I don't know, I don't follow sports) that would be another thing. As it is, the Nation of Saltha will not support this proposal.

Gika
Salathan Minister of Foreign Affairs, Delegate to the Wolrd Assembly

[Jacknkill]

hmm i think this should not be even up for debate let alone pass my nation we don't do sports that much counting out schools

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Either way, if there should be such a proposal it should never be construed as to intentionally or unintentionally ban private or amateur leagues unless it is apparent that it is being promoted for fraudulent purposes, e.g. pyramid schemes.

Ms. S. Harper