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Postby Holy Roman Confederate » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:11 pm

What a joke. You sit there and demand an end to weapons you dont agree with, and anyone that doesnt agree should be overthrown? LOL I would love to see you try.
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Postby Manticore Reborn » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:34 pm

Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.

Any attempt to overthrow King Roger VI will result in several destroyers pummeling your planet with kinetic weapons.
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Postby The Altani Confederacy » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:26 pm

Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.


The very existence of nations such as yours serves only to legitimize the need to hoard and test nuclear weapons, namely the fact that overbearing nanny states such as yourselves pose a threat to free and independent nations such as ours.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nanny states off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our "freedom and liberty" campaign must be forcibly overthrown.

Doesn't sound so good when turned against you, does it? Thank you for proving why nations such as mine need to maintain deterrent arsenals, though.

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Postby Darenjo » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:39 pm

You know, looking at some of these last few comments, especially from the newbies, it's like they don't know that WA members are outnumbered by non-WA nations by a (rough guess here) 5 to 1 ratio. Most non-WA members are nuclear-capable, even chem- and bio-capable. I completely agree with banning chem and bio weapons, but banning nukes just seems like an invitation for non-members to just nuke us out of existence.

Oh, and by the way, i just figured this out, but repealing NAPA doesn't make it illegal to own nukes. So this repeal would have to be paired with another resolution that explicitly bans nukes for it to work.

Anyways, I'm still against any repeal of NAPA. Not only is it hopelessly optimistic, but it would make the proposal I'm working on completely redundant.
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Postby Flibbleites » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:35 am

Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.

Oh good, I get to break out one of our standard replies.

Any nation who tries to force The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites to give up their nuclear weapons will find themselves turned to radioactive glass. Have a nice day.

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Postby Ddreigiau » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:39 pm

Novayonia wrote:To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.


To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all firearms off the face of our planet. Any Heads of State that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be shot!

see the problem there?

(note: I am actually for gun rights, the above just seemed like the best analogy)
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Postby Meekinos » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:06 pm

Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.

For such belligerent actions, we'd launch a barrage of missiles at you, but it would be pointless to nuke a radioactive wasteland; it's just be turning rubble to dust.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:23 pm

Manticore Reborn wrote:
Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.

Any attempt to overthrow King Roger VI will result in several destroyers pummeling your planet with kinetic weapons.


Ah, but if you did, wouldn't you be in violation of the Eridani Accords, which forbid the use of kinetic weapons on planets?
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Postby Darenjo » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:08 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Manticore Reborn wrote:Any attempt to overthrow King Roger VI will result in several destroyers pummeling your planet with kinetic weapons.


Ah, but if you did, wouldn't you be in violation of the Eridani Accords, which forbid the use of kinetic weapons on planets?


Only if your nation signed them (which we didn't).
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Postby Turtatalia » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:24 pm

We are unsure whether this aims to legalize nuclear weaponry or not. As a rule, we are peaceful and thus have no nuclear armaments installed (however, pending approval by the Chancellor, we are thinking of setting up a new Nation named the Colony of Turtalia, where we may have nuclear sites). This means that we do not support a resolution which will set to legalize the unrestricted use of nuclear weaponry

and, Mr Fibble, I'd have thought you would be a vehement defender of GA10, as you wrote it yourself.

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Postby Darenjo » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:07 pm

Turtatalia wrote:We are unsure whether this aims to legalize nuclear weaponry or not. As a rule, we are peaceful and thus have no nuclear armaments installed (however, pending approval by the Chancellor, we are thinking of setting up a new Nation named the Colony of Turtalia, where we may have nuclear sites). This means that we do not support a resolution which will set to legalize the unrestricted use of nuclear weaponry

and, Mr Fibble, I'd have thought you would be a vehement defender of GA10, as you wrote it yourself.

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This is an attempt to repeal NAPA (as GA res. #10 is often referred to as), with the intent of abolishing the right of WA nations to own nuclear weapons. We view this as totally hopeless and unrealistic, and refuse to support it - also, just repealing the resolution that explicitly states that having nukes is legal, does not mean that it will then be illegal to have nukes.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:15 pm

ALSO noting that conventional weapons are just as capable of deterrence against foreign aggressors, as nuclear weapons

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Postby All Space and Time » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:16 pm

Unibot wrote:My own step-plan for curtailing nuclear use would be,
[*] Limit the nuclear arsenal of all member-nations to a regulated " nuclear bank", that is arbitrated by the World Assembly; [/list]


As the leader of The Empire of All Space and Time, I oppose this. I also propose a few questions. How would this limit work? Where geographically would the nuclear weapons be placed? How would you figure out the limit cap and what will be done with the nuclear weapons of countries that have a surplus of nuclear weapons?
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Postby Rassilons_New_Order » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:47 am

Novayonia wrote:The very existence of such regulation serves only to legitimize the practice of hoarding and testing nuclear weapons.

To get to the root of the problem, we must eradicate all nuclear weapons off the face of our planet. Any governments that refuse to comply with our mandatory disarmament must be forcibly overthrown.


And how would you propose to do that? As many of my colleagues here have pointed out, any attempt will result in the use of nuclear weapons including my nation once we finish our atomic weapons research. The Empire of Rassilons New Order is opposed to this proposal.

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Postby Turtatalia » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:28 am

A version of this has been submitted - Flib, I suggest you get ready to defend the "Nuclear Arms Possession Act" with all your might!
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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:30 pm

Turtatalia wrote:A version of this has been submitted - Flib, I suggest you get ready to defend the "Nuclear Arms Possession Act" with all your might!

If you look at the right thread you'll find that I have been.

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