Banning W.P Weaponry

[Stratskava]

The nation of Stratskava is intrested in seeing the end of Depleted Uranium use
Reasons:
Causes horrid mutations
Gigantic enviornmental hazards
Kills innocents

[Holy Roman Confederate]

I would say alleged mutations as you have no scientific studies to support your statement. As for harming innocents I again would disagree as DU munitions are typically used as armor penetrators. The HRC will no endorse this proposal in any form.

[Stratskava]

Soldiers along with their children have had mutations and medical problems. Radiation is bad news.

[Holy Roman Confederate]

Again I ask that you produce the studies supporting your position that it is indeed harmful, and radioactive. Depleted Uranium is an inert heavy metal, and no longer radioactive, hence the term inert. Can it be harmful if inhaled? Yes. So can chlorine. So should we also ban chlorine?

[Ddreigiau]

There have been studies by both the UN and the W.H.O. (You know, the guys who ERADICATED SMALLPOX) that prove that the risk from being exposed to DU, even in heavy combat zones, is negligible. There is no reason to ban DU rounds or other uses (medical radiation shielding, aircraft counterweights, etc.).
DU has only 60% of the radiation of environmental uranium, which is found across the world and in every human. when digested, only .2% of non-soluble uranium compounds and 2% of soluble compounds are absorbed. 2/3 of absorbed uranium leaves the body within 24 hours, primarily through urine.

WHO report to Geneva Executive summary: http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/p ... DU_Eng.pdf

[Pythria]

The nation of Stratskava is intrested in seeing the end of Depleted Uranium use
Reasons:
Causes horrid mutations
Gigantic enviornmental hazards
Kills innocents
Profit

Fixed, and that's exactly why we use it, so, no.

[Ddreigiau]

Measurements of depleted uranium at sites where depleted uranium munitions were
used indicate only localized (within a few tens of metres [or meters, the U.S. spelling] of the impact site) contamination at
the ground surface.

[Great Nepal]

The nation of Stratskava is intrested in seeing the end of Depleted Uranium use
Reasons:
Causes horrid mutations
Gigantic enviornmental hazards
Kills innocents

"That is exactly reasons why we use them in our military against our enemies. Therefore we wont support this."

OOC: Yes I am not in WA but one of my puppets is so..

[New La Habana]

OOC: There was *supposedly* a link between Gulf War Syndrome and DU munitions, but it was all based on speculation and conjecture.

[Stratskava]

.[proposal=]
This is a proposal aimed at protecting innocent civilians from the horrific effects of white phos. weaponry by banning W.P and classify its use as a serious war crime [/proposal]

[Kryozerkia]

Uh-huh... so where's the rest of it? Category? Strength? Etc...

[Holy Roman Confederate]

No, no, no. If you really think abandoning the current thread where others are stating opposition to your proposal is going to aid your effort you are far from correct. If anything it makes your argument far weaker than it already was.

[Selung]

Word it better and we might agree with you.

Patrik Kettil,
Ambassador of The Nomadic People of Selung

[Holy Roman Confederate]

We disagree with the banning of WP munitions. Civilians can avoid harm by avoiding areas of active combat. Clearly you have no military training or you would realize that WP munitions are not typically used in urban warfare, and are normally used in areas of dense forest or jungle. Your proposal is weak, poorly worded, lacking in structure, and based upon empirical evidence to support your argument.

[Mikedor]

WP =/= DU.

Very different uses.

[Holy Roman Confederate]

Pushing to ban two very common classes of weapons is a lost cause to be very honest. You're beating a dead horse by continuing this effort.

[Ddreigiau]

White phosphorous munitions - tracer, smoke, illumination, and marker munitions - have proven safe environmentally. While the burning properties of WP can kill, as an area of effect, it is less deadly than bomb fragmentation, as smaller WP particles do not always burn all the way through clothing. removing its use as a smoke-generating munition would send us back to WWI military tactics, where the only way to take a machine gun- or armor-protected position is through sheer amount of bodies, and where, when calling in airstrikes, the chance of friendly fire is compounded exponentially due to the inability to use identifying smoke. There is no environmental effect from WP, and the damage caused by WP munitions is not exceptional in the short-term, either. You might as well ban lead rounds.

The sudden change of target by the author causes us to be suspicious of his intention, inclining us to believe he plans to ban all weaponry.

[New La Habana]

Why has the proposal suddenly changed from banning Depleted Uranium to banning White Phosphorus? Someone needs to read the stickies regarding proposals etc......

[Ddreigiau]

because strastskava realized that trying to get DU banned makes him look like a... well, let's go with the less vulgar word and say idiot.

[New La Habana]

because strastskava realized that trying to get DU banned makes him look like a... well, let's go with the less vulgar word and say idiot.

And yet he hasn't changed his OP.......

[Holy Roman Confederate]

Doubtful, he'll simply come up with something else he wants banned, such as canteens or possibly shoe laces.

[Ddreigiau]

[proposal=]NOTING That the vast majority of nations issue combat boots to their forces
FURTHER NOTING that said boots use laces
CONCERNED that these laces may cause tripping on the battlefield, resulting in possible disfigurement to the face
HEREBY PROHIBITS the use of laces to secure shoes to the foot of those in government employ.[/proposal]

[Holy Roman Confederate]

LOL!!!!!!!! That was classic

[Selung]

[proposal=]NOTING That the vast majority of nations issue combat boots to their forces
FURTHER NOTING that said boots use laces
CONCERNED that these laces may cause tripping on the battlefield, resulting in possible disfigurement to the face
HEREBY PROHIBITS the use of laces to secure shoes to the foot of those in government employ.[/proposal]

OOC: Yay for velcro

[Charlotte Ryberg]

This is a proposal aimed at protecting innocent civilians from the horrific effects of white phos. weaponry by banning W.P and classify its use as a serious war crime

The text seems a bit vague, could you care elaborate on what action member states must take?

Also take care not to mention the WHO/UN as they are RL references. Also, it is a good rule of thumb to pick a category (in this case "Global Disarmament" is of best fit) and write to satisfy the purpose of the category.