Self-Defense for all!

[Casta Nal]

THE RESOLUTION ON SELF-DEFENSE
1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (mana crap, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).
Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Weapons that are not in this list fates are decided by sovereign governments. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporates.
5. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (, press, movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or are people/animals/objects, depending on nation.)
6. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. All these tests and evaluations must be fair When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).
7. If an individual is found to have intentionally hurt or killed someone not in self-defense or not in a approved venue with these weapons or is suspected of they are seized until the person is found innocent. If he is found to have done it, he must pay for his crimes in the country’s criminal justice system and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If it was an accident the person must pay a fine to the man and victim/family. Weapons must be stored in a safe and secure way but ready to be used. An individual must make sure is weapons are prim and proper. The individual may hunt with them if allowed but if found illegally hunting or he did illegally hunt, the weapons are seized until he is proven innocent or pardoned. If not either they are seized forever. If found to be used in illegal duels and coliseum battles they are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are taken forever. When using self-defense, the force applied must be equal or if rounded to the force of the aggressor, if the individual who used self-defense, used too much they are either fined or have their weapons taken away do to irresponsibility until pardoned. One your weapons are taken away, you can get any more of them or supplies due to you have no license. If found to be illegally acquiring weapons on the black market, or in possession of illegal arms , all weapons are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are gone forever. If found not be following all orders (i.e. not taking test and evaluations afterword), the weapons are seized until proven innocent or until pardoned. If not they are taken forever. If the individual is found using the weapons in criminal or rebellion, the weapons are taken away until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are seized forever with the individual receiving punishment.
8. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be nessacry in some situations. It is showing mercy to the aggressor and having him taken away for his crimes, by not killing him unless need may be.


Okay there have been changes and I need you guys to keep commentating.

[Meekinos]

THE RESOLUTION ON SELF-DEFENSE

A resolution? Really? Creative titles are not your forte is seems. Try again.

1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.

Firstly, what the hell is the first sentence even supposed to mean? What is a free, legal, approved and responsible person?

Oh isn't that nice, you're letting the police and military do their job still.

Do you REALLY need to list zombies? Why zombies and not other mythological creatures?

2. That right is not compulsory. The individual must decide alone.

That rather goes without saying. Why is this even included? Having a right usually means it isn't compulsory.

3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (mana crap, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).
Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety.

Firstly, "mana crap" has no place in a proposal which is supposed to be written in a neutral manner.

This also seems to be rather wordy. Given that the average proposal can only had so many characters, I fail to see how your wordy proposal would even fit in. You don't need to spell out examples of weapons. If you do, write it as a definition in the opening section. It's pointless to include it in the body. Even then, define the weapon based on what it actually is, for example, a melee weapon is a weapon used in close quarters combat.

4. Weapons that are not in this list fates are decided by sovereign governments. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporates.

Redundant. You already covered this with a half-ass sentence in the previous clause.

5. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or people, depending on nation.)

Oh, so a semi-autonomous government can't make sensible laws? As you know, they aren't completely sovereign.

How do video games even factor into this? There are NO REAL weapons when it comes to video games. Why is this even included?

As for TV and movies, the weapons used are typically replicas or reasonable facsimiles of the real thing.

You also need to clean up the sentence following "recreational usage" as it makes no sense.

6. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure.

Once again, this is easily circumvented. The government just has to make the the screening process, including the tests impossible for civilians to pass. There is no actual way to enforce this so that civilians are able to possess these weapons. The government can make the requirements as absurd as it wishes. It will still be in compliance with this even if civilians don't pass any part of the screening.

7. If an individual is found to have intentionally hurt or killed someone not in self-defense or not in a approved venue with these weapons or is suspected of they are seized until the person is found innocent. If he is found to have done it, he must pay for his crimes in the country’s criminal justice system and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If it was an accident the person must pay a fine to the man and victim/family. Weapons must be stored in a safe and secure way but ready to be used. An individual must make sure is weapons are prim and proper. The individual may hunt with them if allowed but if found illegally hunting or he did illegally hunt, the weapons are seized until he is proven innocent or pardoned. If not either they are seized forever. If found to be used in illegal duels and coliseum battles they are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are taken forever. When using self-defense, the force applied must be equal or if rounded to the force of the aggressor, if the individual who used self-defense, used too much they are either fined or have their weapons taken away do to irresponsibility until pardoned. One your weapons are taken away, you can get any more of them or supplies due to you have no license. If found to be illegally acquiring weapons on the black market, or in possession of illegal arms , all weapons are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are gone forever. If found not be following all orders (i.e. not taking test and evaluations afterword), the weapons are seized until proven innocent or until pardoned. If not they are taken forever.If the individual is found using the weapons in criminal or rebellion, the weapons are taken away until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are seized forever with the individual receiving punishment.

Firstly, this is too long. It should have been broken down into more easily digestible chunks.

Secondly, what is meant by "the person must pay a fine to the man...." Who is this "man"?

This stinks of micro-management. There is no point to this.

8. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security.
-The Principality of Casta Nal

...and with that, your proposal is dead in the water. Illegal. Branding.

Please comment and give you opininon on the matter. Also say whether or not you would vote for this. Help would be appericated.

I'd never vote for this. Ever.

[Picklepoo]

PEOPLE OF THE WORLD NEED TO HAVE PROTECTION FROM CRIMINALS, ANIMAL ATTACKS, ZOMBIES, INVADERS, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH WOULD TRY TO KILL OR DO EVIL TO THEM.

All caps is not needed, it just usually annoys people.

1. People would be allowed own ballistic weapons, melee weapons,martial arts, other weapons, and defense items. The people may not own doomsday devices,nukes,and the use of Chuck Norris.

Once again, Chuck Norris is a RL reference.

2.The Governments of the World will mandate intense screening, heavy regulations,safety checks, licenses, screening, tests, and training.

This world cost a huge sum of money, and not everybody has a great economy.

3.The people would be charged to use them responsibly,

How?

5.It is right to defend yourself and others against aggressors in a reasonable matter using reasonable force after attempting to avoid using force. Conduct of the individual will be reviewed by a court of law as correct if not the owner will face minor charges to complete revoking of all weapons.

So its dictating my nations justice system now?

7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.

Keeping people from rebelling isn't that easy. If they hate the government, they sure as hell wouldn't follow their laws.

[Casta Nal]

New Draft
THE SELF-GUARDIAN ACT
1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporates.They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Hunting laws must follow international standards. Hunting rights are not encouraged or discouraged. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (, press, movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or are people/animals/objects, depending on nation.)
5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. All these tests and evaluations must be fair and reviewed by the WA. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).
6. If an individual is found to have intentionally hurt or killed someone not in self-defense or not in an approved venue with these weapons or is suspected of they are seized until the person is found innocent. If he is found to have done it, he must pay for his crimes in the country’s criminal justice system and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If it was an accident the person must pay a fine to the government and victim/family. Weapons must be stored in a safe and secure way but ready to be used. An individual must make sure is weapons are prim and proper. The individual may hunt with them if allowed but if found illegally hunting or he did illegally hunt, the weapons are seized until he is proven innocent or pardoned. If not either they are seized forever. If found to be used in illegal duels and coliseum battles they are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are taken forever. When using self-defense, the force applied must be equal or if rounded to the force of the aggressor, if the individual who used self-defense, used too much they are either fined or have their weapons taken away do to irresponsibility until pardoned. One your weapons are taken away, you can get any more of them or supplies due to you have no license. If found to be illegally acquiring weapons on the black market, or in possession of illegal arms , all weapons are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are gone forever. If found not be following all orders (i.e. not taking test and evaluations afterword), the weapons are seized until proven innocent or until pardoned. If not they are taken forever. If the individual is found using the weapons in criminal or rebellion, the weapons are taken away until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are seized forever with the individual receiving punishment. If you are suspected of committing a crime with your weapons they are removed until proven innocent.
7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be nessacry in some situations. It is showing mercy to the aggressor and having him taken away for his crimes, by not killing him unless need may be.
Comment.

[Jalkil]

Please. No. People. Do. Not. Want. This. THING! Just accept it. Give up!

YOU can have it like this in your country if you want, BUT LEAVE THE WORLD ASSEMBLY FREE FROM THIS.

[Casta Nal]

Listen can we all own a claymore?

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Basically, it's above the 3,460 character limit for all proposals in the World Assembly, plus line breaks and spaces.

[Picklepoo]

Please. No. People. Do. Not. Want. This. THING! Just accept it. Give up!

YOU can have it like this in your country if you want, BUT LEAVE THE WORLD ASSEMBLY FREE FROM THIS.

I'm going to have to agree, no matter how detailed or well written your proposal is, there is almost no way it will make it.

[Casta Nal]

THE SELF-GUARDIAN ACT
1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Hunting laws must follow international standards. Hunting rights are not encouraged or discouraged. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (, press, movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or are people/animals/objects, depending on nation.)
5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. All these tests and evaluations must be fair and reviewed by the WA. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).
6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.
7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be nessacry in some situations. It is showing mercy to the aggressor and having him taken away for his crimes, by not killing him unless need may be.


This is the new version, please comment.

[Pannonia-Glucksberg]

Now let me get it straight:-
1. Your proposal is illegal as it has got 3731 characters, and the limit is 3,460.
2. WA isn't the central government and WA nations aren't federal states - Gun control is thing to be dealt by the nation itself.
3. We will never support such proposal.

[Meekinos]

THE SELF-GUARDIAN ACT

Wouldn't a title like "Self-Defence Rights Act" better convey what you're trying to achieve? Not that it helps, given that the text's format is still badly formatted and the clauses need severe work.

1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.

I'm surprised I didn't realise this earlier. Your proposal essentially declares that this applies to "free, legal, approved and responsible people". Any government that finds this legislation repulsive can simply just create its own laws which declare people to not be free, legal, approved and/or responsible. Once again, loophole found; clause easily circumvented.

2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.

I'm sure it is, but I doubt Bears Armed would like others to own bear arms. Yes, I took it literally but I am having too much fun.

3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.

Simple solution: make all vendors of these goods illegal or make the requirements for legal vendors impossible for the average person to reach. Not that we would since it would ultimately impede on profits but it could be done to defeat the purpose of this legislation. There are so many possible ways to get out this proposal. I could think of another way to get around this, but I'm sure you will eventually get the point. Your clauses are full of holes. You have not yet been able to close any of those loopholes.

4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Hunting laws must follow international standards. Hunting rights are not encouraged or discouraged. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (, press, movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or are people/animals/objects, depending on nation.)

Why do you insist on stifling the creativity for movies, tvs and videogames by limiting the weapons that can be used? The weapons used in those entertainment media are not real, so why is that even relevant?

Again, why can only sovereign governments make sensible hunting laws?

There are no international hunting laws, so how can they even be followed?

5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. All these tests and evaluations must be fair and reviewed by the WA. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).

Tests can be virtually impossible to pass and still be considered fair if accompanied by a simple statement that there is a concern for safety and that the government is seeking to keep weapons out of the hands of the irresponsible. Even those who appear to be responsible are still a liability. Accidents happen. The government can appear to be fair while still circumventing this. All it takes is privatizing part of the screening process and tacking on a fee.

This is almost too easy to get around. The more arguments I put out, the more you attempt to accommodate, the greater your word count becomes, thus meaning it will be too long to submit to queue. Additionally, the wordier it is, the greater the chance is to find loopholes. Your proposal is self-defeating.

6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.

As if that matters. Laws will not stop outlaws or rebels. If there's a will, there is a way. There is no law that could ultimately stop an armed rebellion. Just because your proposal says it's illegal doesn't mean it will automatically end any rebellion. If citizens are intent on rebelling, revocation of their licenses will not stop them. Criminals are not deterred by the law either.

7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be nessacry in some situations. It is showing mercy to the aggressor and having him taken away for his crimes, by not killing him unless need may be.

Why are you including the definition of self-defence at the end? And why not opt for brevity? The longer the definition, the greater the chance something faulty will be discovered, such as a grammatical error. Self-defence in your definition right now is allowing for the aggressor to be killed.

[Casta Nal]

I now admit defeat. I still support gun freedom but all the psycho dictators will stop me. Thus I give up until later when I WILL try again.

[Meekinos]

We are not psychotic dictators, we are enterprising capitalists who are able to invest time in defeating proposals which are detrimental to our existence.

[Casta Nal]

You have your opinon and I have mine.

[Jalkil]

Hurray!
Sir Jones Hemmington Cleverford KE will send 100 Quendian [currency] to the closest welfare program in the city to celebrate this victory for mankind and has given this comment:
"Casta Nal may be screwed, or so say my advisors, but the WA is still standing proudly, looking to the horizon, guarding us from the threats of the world!" While hitting an (unfortuantely malfunctioning) "Nuke Casta Nal" repeatedly.

[Casta Nal]

I take that back, I can fight all day.
Here's ANOTHER DRAFT!
THE SELF-DEFENSE RIGHTS ACT
1. The responsible people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows security forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, invaders, and other threats.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and lower tech pistols etc.), Melee weapons (blades,blunts,utinsels), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment/press/settling disputes.
5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, fair evaluations, fair training, fair tests, and prove they are trustworthy to own weapons/ store. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).
6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.
7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal is notl to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be needed in some situations.


Do the same as always.
Oh by the way those nukes where sent to the founding of your nation via time machine sheid defenses!

[Jalkil]

After hearing the news of Casta Nal´s return Mr. Cleverford has been reported running through the city of Charn to get his 100 Quendian Soldi back. He returned after an hour and had his 100 Soldi back in the pocket by paying 110 Soldi. A reporter managed to get a comment from him about Casta Nal:
"I, Sir Jones Hemmington Cleverford, Knight of the Order of the... Königerste? Ah, whatever! I beg and plead any and all members of the WA who are proficient in the arts of writing World Assembly Stuff to write a "Condemn Casta Nal" legislation to warn all people of the world of this evil on the loose! Thank you for your time."

OOC: Seriously, I wont bother reading this last one. And the "Nuke Casta Nal" button was malfunctioning because of many reasons:
1. I dont have nukes.
2. It was a button which he had bought on a toy market three years ago.

And its "shield not sheid"

[Casta Nal]

Oops than may have giant time distortian which may destoy your nation.

[Jalkil]

I liked you better when you failed instead of godmodding.
You arent a relative to Hayaba by any chance?

[Casta Nal]

Listen let's get back to you attempt to destroy my idea but it's lazarus, okay?

[Meekinos]

I take that back, I can fight all day.
Here's ANOTHER DRAFT!
THE SELF-DEFENSE RIGHTS ACT

All day you say? I've already have 3 cups of coffee and 3 shots of espresso. I will out gun you. Time for my next round. I never play all my cards at once.

1. The responsible people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows security forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, invaders, and other threats.

Firstly, define "responsible".

Secondly, define "people".

Why am I asking this? It's very simple, the standard accepted definition of "people" means humans. Thus, this proposal would only apply to human beings and not to all sentient species of the World Assembly. Like for example, Bears Armed, a well-known nation in the World Assembly is controlled by sentient bears. The proposal wouldn't apply to his nation, thus breaking the optionality rule. Your proposal is then illegal for its use of selective terminology.

2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.

We know that this proposal is about the "right", but why use the word right here, when a better word would be "choice" since it implies an existing right and it reads as intended. You really should stop while you're ahead.

3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and lower tech pistols etc.), Melee weapons (blades,blunts,utinsels), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.

Although I realise the intent of the sentence, the way it currently reads make it a sentence fragment. It is incomplete. You are attempting to connect two different subjects without a common link, which makes it two sentence fragments.

Again, why are you listing specific weapons? Or using the names of items which have several meanings. "Blades" could mean "skate blade", "razor blade"... so, if that was the case then ice skates would have to be regulated the same way a dagger is regulated. It wouldn't be possible for a citizen to just buy a pair of skates, they would have to be licensed to even own the object. Yes, it is not typically a weapon. However, it can be used as one, and it would fall under "blades" as an acceptable weapon type.

In theory, any that can be used as a weapon probably already has been used as a weapon. Nothing could legally be sold without the person being licensed to use it since it would fit into the definition of weapon, since the definition is so broad.

4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment/press/settling disputes.

A national government would be a sovereign nation; lower level government like a state or provincial level government wouldn't. Therefore, under this, your proposal is saying that state level governments cannot be sensible in their law making, only national one can.

The second sentence should be a separate clause, as it has nothing to do with hunting. Though, what does hunting have to do with self-defence?

5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, fair evaluations, fair training, fair tests, and prove they are trustworthy to own weapons/ store. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).

"Trustworthy"? What an arbitrary characteristic. It can be manipulated by the most charismatic of psychopaths.

Exactly how big will this paper be? What if someone is a collector? Will they be forced to carry a huge stack of paper for every little insignificant element of their collection?

6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.

Nice sentiment. Won't deter the determined.

7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be needed in some situations.

And killing is still the goal of self-defence.

[Bears Armed]

Secondly, define "people".

Why am I asking this? It's very simple, the standard accepted definition of "people" means humans. Thus, this proposal would only apply to human beings and not to all sentient species of the World Assembly. Like for example, Bears Armed, a well-known nation in the World Assembly is controlled by sentient bears. The proposal wouldn't apply to his nation, thus breaking the optionality rule. Your proposal is then illegal for its use of selective terminology.

We are "people"... by our own reckoning, anyway.
To clarify this matter, though, I think that maybe reviving the old St Edmundan proposal on 'Rights For Intelligent Beings' might be a good idea.

*(goes to look through files for latest draft)*

[Casta Nal]

THE SELF-DEFENSE RIGHTS ACT
1. The responsible sentient species of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows security forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, invaders, and other threats.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/corporations. They are sidearms (higer, middle and lower tech etc.), Melee weapons (bladed weapons, blunt weapons, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Weapons listed may be used for self-defense/entertainment/press/”settling disputes if legal”.
5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, fair evaluations, fair training, fair tests, and prove they are trustworthy to own weapons/ store. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and a fair-sized data listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly . The people may train in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).
6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.
7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal is to not kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be needed in some situations.

[Jalkil]

Okay, I was slightly off-topic there. Now lets go back to kill this stuff.

I take that back, I can fight all day.
Here's ANOTHER DRAFT!
THE SELF-DEFENSE RIGHTS ACT

Its called Self-Defence.

1. The responsible people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows security forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, invaders, and other threats.

Which people are responsible? What if the country deems the human race as an un-responsible and cruel race?

2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.

Ya right.

3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and lower tech pistols etc.), Melee weapons (blades,blunts,utinsels), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.

Cant you just say that the government decides which weapons are allowed and which are not instead of adding lots of weapons which can be changed upon when the nations gets the resolution?
The first part of this also destroys the idea of forcing us to give the people weapons since we can just decide that no weapons shall have the legal status. Thus making it a national issue again.

4. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment/press/settling disputes.

Settling disputes? What the hell is this? The Viking Age? God save me... And what do you mean with "press"? And entertainment is a very loose word since entertainment varies WIDELY from person to person... Some likes to kill people you know? And why cant for example states in a federal government make sensible hunting laws? Or a protectorate?

5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, fair evaluations, fair training, fair tests, and prove they are trustworthy to own weapons/ store. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both. Bodies of weapon owners and vendors will be made to work out issues with the man and increase safety. They will all be part of the International Weapon User Alliance (IWUA).

And why cant a responsible individual just buy a heck of a lots weapons and then sell them to not so responsible individuals without being in this weapon user alliance? It is so easy that I am suprised.

6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.

Are you fucking serious?
If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.
"Yeah I just killed a person, but I get paid for doing it and the pay is bigger than the cost so I can do that!"
And you cant revoke magic so easy.

7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal is notl to kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be needed in some situations.

Now this is a shady bit. How do you know that one person didnt try to make the other person attack him? Then when the other person attacked he was killed in "Self-Defence".
"Oh but Sir.Judge, he attacked me! When I didnt want to he became FURIOUS and picked up a GUN! I had no choice! *crycry*"

Yeah sure.

EDIT: You spit out your drafts faster than a machinegun spits out bullets dont ya?

[Casta Nal]

THE SELF-DEFENSE RIGHTS ACT
1. The responsible sentient species of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows security forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, invaders, and other threats.
2. The right to bear arms is up to the individual alone.
3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/corporations. They are sidearms (higer, middle and lower tech etc.), Melee weapons (bladed weapons, blunt weapons, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (classic magic, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety. Ammunition, parts, metal, armor, and all related paraphernalia to these weapons are legal and can be bought by individuals from legal vendors.
4. Weapons listed may be used for self-defense/entertainment/press/”settling disputes if legal”.
5. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, fair evaluations, fair training, fair tests, and prove they are trustworthy to own weapons/ store. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and a fair-sized data listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly . The people may train in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure. Weapons may be carried out in the open or concealed or both.
6. If an individual does an illegal activity or is suspected of with his weapon such as intentional killing, crime, illegal owning/selling, not following the law, rebellion, over-usage of self-defense, illegal hunting, duels, and battles will result in your license being revoked, weapons, and equipment seized. Until the owner is proven innocent or pardoned, if convicted the user will be sent to prison/pay fines and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If the owner accidentally kills/hurts someone they must pay a fine and blood price.
7. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people. Self-defense is the right to use equal force to an aggressor. In Self-Defense the goal is to not kill the aggressor but wound, killing may be needed in some situations.


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