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by Holy Roman Confederate » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:57 am

by Grays Harbor » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:23 am
Casta Nal wrote:The General Assembly can a postal union and water rights but not weapon rights so an honest guy who is responsible keep his family safe from gangsters!

by Meekinos » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:42 pm
Casta Nal wrote:Here it is folkS:
Casta Nal and others would like assert the belif in self-defense.
Casta Nal wrote:PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY NATIONS NEED TO HAVE PROTECTION FROM CRIMINALS, ANIMAL ATTACKS, ZOMBIES, INVADERS, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH WOULD TRY TO KILL OR DO EVIL TO THEM.
Casta Nal wrote:1. People would be allowed own ballistic weapons (guns, cannons, things that go BOOM!), melee weapons,martial arts, magic (depends on nation),other weapons, and defense items. The people may not own doomsday devicces and nukes or other heavy weaponry.
Casta Nal wrote:2.The Goverments of the World Assembly will mandate intense screening, heavy regulations,safety checks, licenses, screening, tests, and training.
Casta Nal wrote:3.The people would be charged to use them responibly, may carry them open, or conclealed.
Casta Nal wrote:4.Weapons may be taken away if owner is found to be dangerous or not following the law.
Casta Nal wrote:5.It is right to defend yourself and others agianst aggressors in a reasonable matter using reasonable force after attempting to avoid using force. Conduct of the individual will be reviewed by a court of law as correct if not the owner will face minor charges to complete revoking of all weapons.
Casta Nal wrote:6.It is not madatory to own weapons, you may or may not. It is up to you the individual person.
Casta Nal wrote:7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.
Casta Nal wrote:8. All weapons must be bought from an apporved legit vendor or traded/bought form another owner in a overwatched trade. No black market allowed any weapon that is unregistared or aquired in an illegal way is taken and never returned other punishments might come along too.
Casta Nal wrote:Comment and discuss it with me. I would like to see this as a resolution and I need some help. It is in progress and needs major changes. Advice on what to allow and what not to allow as weapons too.

by Grays Harbor » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:49 pm
Meekinos wrote:Casta Nal wrote:Here it is folkS:
Casta Nal and others would like assert the belif in self-defense.
Before you assert anything, try running your twaddle through a spell-checker first.Casta Nal wrote:PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY NATIONS NEED TO HAVE PROTECTION FROM CRIMINALS, ANIMAL ATTACKS, ZOMBIES, INVADERS, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH WOULD TRY TO KILL OR DO EVIL TO THEM.
That's why nations may decide to have a military.
Oh and cap lock is not needed to get your point across. You appear boorish by using it.
And now for the fun part, I'm going to tear this pathetic piece of legislation to pieces.Casta Nal wrote:1. People would be allowed own ballistic weapons (guns, cannons, things that go BOOM!), melee weapons,martial arts, magic (depends on nation),other weapons, and defense items. The people may not own doomsday devicces and nukes or other heavy weaponry.
You contradicted yourself right in the first line. Not at all inspiring. Cannons typically qualify as 'heavy weaponry' unless you are referring to the hand-cannons, (ooc: such as the ones used by the Malmuks), in which case that would be similar to an early model of a gun. Further, ballistic weapons can also include crossbows, longbows, shortbows, etc.
Your definition is too vague, especially with the inclusion the infantile phase of "things that go BOOM!". There are plenty of things that go "boom" (TNT, a mixture of chlorine and bleach), including the doomsday devices that are named as prohibited. Another contradiction.
How does martial arts fit into this? Unless your proposal is referring to those which use weapons, such as Eskrima, Fencing, Gatka, Kendo and Kyūdō. But even then, that would fall under melee weapon. And how can anyone "own" a martial art? It doesn't make any logical sense. One can possess knowledge and proficiency but cannot actually own it, just as with magic. Your language makes no sense in relation to these items.Casta Nal wrote:2.The Goverments of the World Assembly will mandate intense screening, heavy regulations,safety checks, licenses, screening, tests, and training.
Oh good, so we can make those so impossible that no one could acquire the weapons in the first place. Brilliant! No one would ever be able to pass the test or any of the regulations associated with the ownership of various weapons, thus completely defeating the intent of this shoddy legislation.
Of course, on the other hand, the government can mandate all this but at the same time ignore its own laws.
Bribery also comes to mind. There is nothing stopping people from bribing the right officials to get what they want.Casta Nal wrote:3.The people would be charged to use them responibly, may carry them open, or conclealed.
Assuming of course they can even pass the test in the first place.Casta Nal wrote:4.Weapons may be taken away if owner is found to be dangerous or not following the law.
How do you plan to take away martial arts or magic? See, your proposal fails because the opening clause cannot stand up to proper scrutiny.Casta Nal wrote:5.It is right to defend yourself and others agianst aggressors in a reasonable matter using reasonable force after attempting to avoid using force. Conduct of the individual will be reviewed by a court of law as correct if not the owner will face minor charges to complete revoking of all weapons.
What is "reasonable force"? Your proposal does not define it nor does it set out a basic ground work for what is reasonable.
Your grammar continues to be utterly atrocious.Casta Nal wrote:6.It is not madatory to own weapons, you may or may not. It is up to you the individual person.
Ugh, contradictory. Especially since your proposal is considering magic and martial arts as weapons. If someone knows martial arts then by your definition they then "own it", so it makes this contradictory. Your proposal is built on extremely faulty logic.Casta Nal wrote:7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.
Proof-reading before you post is a bonus. It prevents long, run-on sentences. The longer the sentence you write, the more the grammar and spelling decays. Brevity would greatly benefit you until you have mastered the art of coherently explaining yourself.Casta Nal wrote:8. All weapons must be bought from an apporved legit vendor or traded/bought form another owner in a overwatched trade. No black market allowed any weapon that is unregistared or aquired in an illegal way is taken and never returned other punishments might come along too.
Just because this says a black market is not allowed doesn't mean a black market won't exist. In fact, it provides no deterrence to the existence of a black market. This whole proposal is providing a frame work for a black market. By creating a environment in which acquisition is nearly impossible; a prohibition-like environment, you are fostering ideal conditions for a black market. There will always be demand. People will find a way around laws and regulations they disagree with, especially those which are shoddily composed.Casta Nal wrote:Comment and discuss it with me. I would like to see this as a resolution and I need some help. It is in progress and needs major changes. Advice on what to allow and what not to allow as weapons too.
I frankly hope this never sees the light of day. Fortunately the ambassadors of this honourable body have enough collective common sense to block this twaddle.

by Meekinos » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:57 pm
Grays Harbor wrote:Meekinos wrote:Casta Nal wrote:Here it is folkS:
Casta Nal and others would like assert the belif in self-defense.
Before you assert anything, try running your twaddle through a spell-checker first.Casta Nal wrote:PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY NATIONS NEED TO HAVE PROTECTION FROM CRIMINALS, ANIMAL ATTACKS, ZOMBIES, INVADERS, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH WOULD TRY TO KILL OR DO EVIL TO THEM.
That's why nations may decide to have a military.
Oh and cap lock is not needed to get your point across. You appear boorish by using it.
And now for the fun part, I'm going to tear this pathetic piece of legislation to pieces.Casta Nal wrote:1. People would be allowed own ballistic weapons (guns, cannons, things that go BOOM!), melee weapons,martial arts, magic (depends on nation),other weapons, and defense items. The people may not own doomsday devicces and nukes or other heavy weaponry.
You contradicted yourself right in the first line. Not at all inspiring. Cannons typically qualify as 'heavy weaponry' unless you are referring to the hand-cannons, (ooc: such as the ones used by the Malmuks), in which case that would be similar to an early model of a gun. Further, ballistic weapons can also include crossbows, longbows, shortbows, etc.
Your definition is too vague, especially with the inclusion the infantile phase of "things that go BOOM!". There are plenty of things that go "boom" (TNT, a mixture of chlorine and bleach), including the doomsday devices that are named as prohibited. Another contradiction.
How does martial arts fit into this? Unless your proposal is referring to those which use weapons, such as Eskrima, Fencing, Gatka, Kendo and Kyūdō. But even then, that would fall under melee weapon. And how can anyone "own" a martial art? It doesn't make any logical sense. One can possess knowledge and proficiency but cannot actually own it, just as with magic. Your language makes no sense in relation to these items.Casta Nal wrote:2.The Goverments of the World Assembly will mandate intense screening, heavy regulations,safety checks, licenses, screening, tests, and training.
Oh good, so we can make those so impossible that no one could acquire the weapons in the first place. Brilliant! No one would ever be able to pass the test or any of the regulations associated with the ownership of various weapons, thus completely defeating the intent of this shoddy legislation.
Of course, on the other hand, the government can mandate all this but at the same time ignore its own laws.
Bribery also comes to mind. There is nothing stopping people from bribing the right officials to get what they want.Casta Nal wrote:3.The people would be charged to use them responibly, may carry them open, or conclealed.
Assuming of course they can even pass the test in the first place.Casta Nal wrote:4.Weapons may be taken away if owner is found to be dangerous or not following the law.
How do you plan to take away martial arts or magic? See, your proposal fails because the opening clause cannot stand up to proper scrutiny.Casta Nal wrote:5.It is right to defend yourself and others agianst aggressors in a reasonable matter using reasonable force after attempting to avoid using force. Conduct of the individual will be reviewed by a court of law as correct if not the owner will face minor charges to complete revoking of all weapons.
What is "reasonable force"? Your proposal does not define it nor does it set out a basic ground work for what is reasonable.
Your grammar continues to be utterly atrocious.Casta Nal wrote:6.It is not madatory to own weapons, you may or may not. It is up to you the individual person.
Ugh, contradictory. Especially since your proposal is considering magic and martial arts as weapons. If someone knows martial arts then by your definition they then "own it", so it makes this contradictory. Your proposal is built on extremely faulty logic.Casta Nal wrote:7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.
Proof-reading before you post is a bonus. It prevents long, run-on sentences. The longer the sentence you write, the more the grammar and spelling decays. Brevity would greatly benefit you until you have mastered the art of coherently explaining yourself.Casta Nal wrote:8. All weapons must be bought from an apporved legit vendor or traded/bought form another owner in a overwatched trade. No black market allowed any weapon that is unregistared or aquired in an illegal way is taken and never returned other punishments might come along too.
Just because this says a black market is not allowed doesn't mean a black market won't exist. In fact, it provides no deterrence to the existence of a black market. This whole proposal is providing a frame work for a black market. By creating a environment in which acquisition is nearly impossible; a prohibition-like environment, you are fostering ideal conditions for a black market. There will always be demand. People will find a way around laws and regulations they disagree with, especially those which are shoddily composed.Casta Nal wrote:Comment and discuss it with me. I would like to see this as a resolution and I need some help. It is in progress and needs major changes. Advice on what to allow and what not to allow as weapons too.
I frankly hope this never sees the light of day. Fortunately the ambassadors of this honourable body have enough collective common sense to block this twaddle.
Once again our faith that a few reasonable delegates here actually do exist has been fulfilled. Nicely put.

by Quadrimmina » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:34 pm
by Sanctaria » Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:50 pm
Quadrimmina wrote:The Republic of Quadrimmina looks forward to the day that the World Assembly moves one step further by mandating that all member nation citizens have nuclear weapons.

by Flibbleites » Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:51 pm
Bears Armed wrote:7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.
8. All weapons must be bought from an apporved legit vendor or traded/bought form another owner in a overwatched trade. No black market allowed any weapon that is unregistared or aquired in an illegal way is taken and never returned other punishments might come along too.
= "Using guns for illegal purposes is illegal.
Acquiring guns illegally is illegal."
Whau! What next? "Water is wet", perhaps?

by Khorata » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:20 pm
Meekinos wrote:Casta Nal wrote:7. Illegal activity with these weapons will result in heavy punishment. Using them for hunting when not allowed by a nation or in un-authorised entertainment usage will result in serious penalites. Weapons will not be used for crime or rebellion if so or suspected of using them for illegal purposes they are siezed permanetly or until you proven innocent or pardoned.
Proof-reading before you post is a bonus. It prevents long, run-on sentences. The longer the sentence you write, the more the grammar and spelling decays. Brevity would greatly benefit you until you have mastered the art of coherently explaining yourself.

by Hirota » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:39 pm
I'm hoping for Hippos are big. Heck, I'm always hoping for that one.
by The Chelbrusitan » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:53 pm

by Grays Harbor » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:19 pm
The Chelbrusitan wrote:I would vote for it, but I do think that nations should control this themselves.

by Quadrimmina » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:24 pm

by Prometheos » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:24 pm

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by Red Zone 1 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:16 am

by Casta Nal » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:46 am
EnragedMaldivians wrote:I hereby dub thee Wage-Slave No.187878XCZ.

by Flibbleites » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:54 am

by Casta Nal » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:56 am
EnragedMaldivians wrote:I hereby dub thee Wage-Slave No.187878XCZ.

by Pannonia-Glucksberg » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:21 am
Casta Nal wrote:THE RESOLUTION ON SELF-DEFENSE
1. The free, legal, approved, and responsible, people of the World Assembly have the right to own weapons for the purposes of self-defense of themselves and others. This resolution still allows for security, police, and armed forces to protect the people still. It gives would be victims the right to fight back against criminals, wild animals, zombies, and as a militia in war.
Casta Nal wrote:2. That right is not compulsory. The individual must decide alone.
Casta Nal wrote:3. The weapons that are allowed to be owned for at least self-defense but other weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations. They are sidearms (Semi-Auto, Revolver, Machine Pistol, and anything that is of lower tech than these i.e. matchlocks/flintlocks etc.), Melee weapons (swords, maces, utensils, daggers, blades, blunt weapons, nun-chucks, etc.), bows (crossbow or regular bows), throwing weapons (knives, axes, etc.), martial arts, and magic (mana crap, life-force, technology, “nations may decide whether magic or similar abilities are real”).
Also the appropriate ammunition and supplies to upkeep the weapons and for safety.
Casta Nal wrote:4. Weapons that are not in this list fates are decided by sovereign governments. Governments may own those weapons; also special groups might as well such as museums and mercs/ corporates.
3 wrote:...the weapons status may be decided upon by sovereign nations.
Casta Nal wrote:5. Only sovereign governments are allowed to make sensible hunting laws. Weapons listed may be used for entertainment (movies, TV, shows, videogames, coliseum battles “if legal”, duels “if legal”, for mock battles, training, and recreational usage “by destroying targets that are not or people, depending on nation.)
Casta Nal wrote:6. Individuals may own as many of these weapons as they want. They must be acquired legally at “white” or “gray” market store. Trades and buying from owner to owner must be overviewed. Individuals must pass intense screening, evaluations, training, tests, and prove they are trustworthy. When passed they will now be able to buy weapons and use them legally. They will be issued a license and papers listing all weapons and related equipment that they own and must update that regularly. The people may train and hone their skills in approved public ranges and in private areas legally without disturbing the peace. All weapons that used by the public must be found safe and secure.
Casta Nal wrote:7. If an individual is found to have intentionally hurt or killed someone not in self-defense or not in a approved venue with these weapons or is suspected of they are seized until the person is found innocent. If he is found to have done it, he must pay for his crimes in the country’s criminal justice system and if released may never own weapons again unless pardoned. If it was an accident the person must pay a fine to the man and victim/family. Weapons must be stored in a safe and secure way but ready to be used. An individual must make sure is weapons are prim and proper. The individual may hunt with them if allowed but if found illegally hunting or he did illegally hunt, the weapons are seized until he is proven innocent or pardoned. If not either they are seized forever. If found to be used in illegal duels and coliseum battles they are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are taken forever. When using self-defense, the force applied must be equal or if rounded to the force of the aggressor, if the individual who used self-defense, used too much they are either fined or have their weapons taken away do to irresponsibility until pardoned. One your weapons are taken away, you can get any more of them or supplies due to you have no license. If found to be illegally acquiring weapons on the black market, or in possession of illegal arms , all weapons are seized until proven innocent or pardoned. If not they are gone forever. If found not be following all orders (i.e. not taking test and evaluations afterword), the weapons are seized until proven innocent or until pardoned. If not they are taken forever.
Casta Nal wrote:8. Self-Defense is recognized as a right of the people to exercise and is to exist side-by side governmental security.

by Casta Nal » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:24 am
EnragedMaldivians wrote:I hereby dub thee Wage-Slave No.187878XCZ.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:34 am
-The Principality of Casta Nal
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