[WITHDRAWN] Full Faith and Credit

[Quadrimmina]

Full Faith and Credit
Category:Human Rights
Strength:Significant

THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,

LAMENTING the loss of rights related to status by moving from one nation to another, whether as a result of visitation or immigration.

HOPING to ensure that all nations can reasonable provide full faith and credit for the licensures and statuses granted by other nations.

DECLARES that all marriages legally recognized by a member nation must be considered valid in any other member nation.

FURTHER DECLARES that any rights or privileges guaranteed to a person due to the condition of being a spouse of another person in a member nation must be granted to any person from a World Assembly member nation in that nation.

CERTIFIES that any person who is legally the parent of an individual in a World Assembly member nation must be allowed all the rights and privileges granted to parents in their host member nation due to the condition of being a parent of another person.

MAINTAINS that any person licensed to drive a motor vehicle in a World Assembly member nation may drive on the roads of any other World Assembly member nation without being licensed by the other nation.

CREATES the International Licensure Board, which will perform a yearly audit of every member nation’s licensure process. If such a process is found to be unfit to allow international driving privilege, such privilege will be revoked for any person licensed by that nation.

ATTESTS that any person legally allowed to emigrate from their home nation must be allowed to return to their home nation, even if they are not legally allowed to emigrate from the host member nation due to age restrictions.

AFFIRMS that any person born in any member nation whose parents are not citizens of the nation must be allowed to claim citizenship at any point after they reach the age of majority of the nation in question, provided that at least one parent is a citizen of a World Assembly member nation.

SETS FORTH that all provisions above become null and void for situations when a person from one nation seeks rights or privileges from another nation which is at war with that person’s home nation.

[Sanctaria]

I don't think every clause there has something to do with Human Rights. Being allowed to drive a car and have a licence isn't a human right, for one.

Yours.,

[Quadrimmina]

I don't think every clause there has something to do with Human Rights. Being allowed to drive a car and have a licence isn't a human right, for one.

Yours.,

This is more about the right to exercise privileges across borders.

[Freeoplis]

FURTHER DECLARES that any rights or privileges guaranteed to a person due to the condition of being a spouse of another person in a member nation must be granted to any person from a World Assembly member nation in that nation.

This clause is unworkable. If for example a married couple enjoy a 50% tax break or other monetary incentives in another Nation simply for being married other Nations cannot be expected to match these and especially when giving them to immigrants and not the native population would create discrimination and potential tension, a Nation could be bankrupted under this clause.

CERTIFIES that any person who is legally the parent of an individual in a World Assembly member nation must be allowed all the rights and privileges granted to parents in their host member nation due to the condition of being a parent of another person.

Again monetary incentives for parents would be problematic for the same reasons previously outlined.

MAINTAINS that any person licensed to drive a motor vehicle in a World Assembly member nation may drive on the roads of any other World Assembly member nation without being licensed by the other nation.

This we cannot accept due to varying degrees in road safety standards across WA Nations.

AFFIRMS that any person born in any member nation whose parents are not citizens of the nation must be allowed to claim citizenship at any point after they reach the age of majority of the nation in question, provided that at least one parent is a citizen of a World Assembly member nation.

We can't accept this policy either, our citizen and immigration policies shall be decided at a domestic level and we would seek to maintain control of them.

Overall this attempt to create a WA superstate and a streamlining of many policies is not something we can support.

[Quadrimmina]

FURTHER DECLARES that any rights or privileges guaranteed to a person due to the condition of being a spouse of another person in a member nation must be granted to any person from a World Assembly member nation in that nation.

This clause is unworkable. If for example a married couple enjoy a 50% tax break or other monetary incentives in another Nation simply for being married other Nations cannot be expected to match these and especially when giving them to immigrants and not the native population would create discrimination and potential tension, a Nation could be bankrupted under this clause.

CERTIFIES that any person who is legally the parent of an individual in a World Assembly member nation must be allowed all the rights and privileges granted to parents in their host member nation due to the condition of being a parent of another person.

Again monetary incentives for parents would be problematic for the same reasons previously outlined.

MAINTAINS that any person licensed to drive a motor vehicle in a World Assembly member nation may drive on the roads of any other World Assembly member nation without being licensed by the other nation.

This we cannot accept due to varying degrees in road safety standards across WA Nations.

AFFIRMS that any person born in any member nation whose parents are not citizens of the nation must be allowed to claim citizenship at any point after they reach the age of majority of the nation in question, provided that at least one parent is a citizen of a World Assembly member nation.

We can't accept this policy either, our citizen and immigration policies shall be decided at a domestic level and we would seek to maintain control of them.

Overall this attempt to create a WA superstate and a streamlining of many policies is not something we can support.

The first two concerns are simply matters of spousal and child privileges, for example if a man has a heart attack and goes to the hospital, the wife should have privileges as a healthcare proxy. Those tax benefits are only for citizens.

The road safety standards problem is easily fixed by expanding the power of the ILC. Would this correct your concerns?

I understand the final objection and will move to strike it.

[Glen-Rhodes]

CERTIFIES that any person who is legally the parent of an individual in a World Assembly member nation must be allowed all the rights and privileges granted to parents in their host member nation due to the condition of being a parent of another person.

The word 'parent' could be troubling. In Glen-Rhodes, being 'legally the parent' of a child is simply being the biological parent. Parenthood doesn't automatically and irrevocably come with custody. As such, replacing 'parent' with 'custodian' would be more palatable.

MAINTAINS that any person licensed to drive a motor vehicle in a World Assembly member nation may drive on the roads of any other World Assembly member nation without being licensed by the other nation.

Why? Nations tend to vary their driving laws and regulations, including signs, right- and left-hand traffic, speed, etc. Unless the World Assembly is going to make all traffic laws uniform across all member nations, this clause is literally dangerous.

CREATES the International Licensure Board, which will perform a yearly audit of every member nation’s licensure process. If such a process is found to be unfit to allow international driving privilege, such privilege will be revoked for any person licensed by that nation.

What is this about?

ATTESTS that any person legally allowed to emigrate from their home nation must be allowed to return to their home nation, even if they are not legally allowed to emigrate from the host member nation due to age restrictions.

Confusing wording aside, emigration and immigration issues ought to be dealt with in separate resolutions.

AFFIRMS that any person born in any member nation whose parents are not citizens of the nation must be allowed to claim citizenship at any point after they reach the age of majority of the nation in question, provided that at least one parent is a citizen of a World Assembly member nation.

So, if Sally and John have a child in Glen-Rhodes, and neither of them are citizens, but John happens to be a citizen of Quadrimmina, their child has a right to citizenship in Glen-Rhodes once he or she turns 21? I'm not understanding the requisite that at least one parent must be a citizen of some member nation. It sounds like the clause is trying to mandate birth-right citizenship, but then the requisite should be that one of parents is a citizen of the nation the child is born in; the clause intentionally says the opposite, however.

SETS FORTH that all provisions above become null and void for situations when a person from one nation seeks rights or privileges from another nation which is at war with that person’s home nation.

Why?

- Dr. B. Castro

[Quadrimmina]

CERTIFIES that any person who is legally the parent of an individual in a World Assembly member nation must be allowed all the rights and privileges granted to parents in their host member nation due to the condition of being a parent of another person.

The word 'parent' could be troubling. In Glen-Rhodes, being 'legally the parent' of a child is simply being the biological parent. Parenthood doesn't automatically and irrevocably come with custody. As such, replacing 'parent' with 'custodian' would be more palatable.

MAINTAINS that any person licensed to drive a motor vehicle in a World Assembly member nation may drive on the roads of any other World Assembly member nation without being licensed by the other nation.

Why? Nations tend to vary their driving laws and regulations, including signs, right- and left-hand traffic, speed, etc. Unless the World Assembly is going to make all traffic laws uniform across all member nations, this clause is literally dangerous.

CREATES the International Licensure Board, which will perform a yearly audit of every member nation’s licensure process. If such a process is found to be unfit to allow international driving privilege, such privilege will be revoked for any person licensed by that nation.

What is this about?

ATTESTS that any person legally allowed to emigrate from their home nation must be allowed to return to their home nation, even if they are not legally allowed to emigrate from the host member nation due to age restrictions.

Confusing wording aside, emigration and immigration issues ought to be dealt with in separate resolutions.

AFFIRMS that any person born in any member nation whose parents are not citizens of the nation must be allowed to claim citizenship at any point after they reach the age of majority of the nation in question, provided that at least one parent is a citizen of a World Assembly member nation.

So, if Sally and John have a child in Glen-Rhodes, and neither of them are citizens, but John happens to be a citizen of Quadrimmina, their child has a right to citizenship in Glen-Rhodes once he or she turns 21? I'm not understanding the requisite that at least one parent must be a citizen of some member nation. It sounds like the clause is trying to mandate birth-right citizenship, but then the requisite should be that one of parents is a citizen of the nation the child is born in; the clause intentionally says the opposite, however.

SETS FORTH that all provisions above become null and void for situations when a person from one nation seeks rights or privileges from another nation which is at war with that person’s home nation.

Why?

- Dr. B. Castro

1) Will make that change. Thank you for pointing that out.
2) This is true, but that's why driver's tests as allowed by the ILB would have to include teaching the varying ways to drive in each member nation.
3) ILB will basically ensure that the licensure standards of a nation make it safe for nationals to drive on non-WA roads.
4) Perhaps. We would like to bide our time on this clause until a possible revision.
5) This clause will be revoked.
6) Because it may be awkward to have to let people drive on your roads if youre at war with the people you're allowing to drive on your roads.

[Burninati0n]

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[Glen-Rhodes]

2) This is true, but that's why driver's tests as allowed by the ILB would have to include teaching the varying ways to drive in each member nation.

Then what in the world is the point of a universal driver's license?

4) Perhaps. We would like to bide our time on this clause until a possible revision.

Unless it's completely removed, this proposal is trash in the can.

6) Because it may be awkward to have to let people drive on your roads if youre at war with the people you're allowing to drive on your roads.

And what about all the other non-driving-related rights this proposal grants?

- Dr. B. Castro

OOC: P.S., the way you're responding to these posts makes it very cumbersome for people to reply.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Almost every clause here has made me want to scream National Sovereignty as loudly as possible. Let us begin.

If all you have to offer is screaming 'National Sovereignty', do everybody a favor and resign.

[Burninati0n]

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[Charlotte Ryberg]

I could always dust off the emigration and statelessness proposal that I shelved, after its defeat, if the honored ambassadors gathered here agree. I think that such issues should be dealt separately, considering the scale of that particular issue.

[Rutianas]

DECLARES that all marriages legally recognized by a member nation must be considered valid in any other member nation.

Swarming Cute Kittens does not consider any marriage legally valid in their nation. Why should they change this to accommodate people from other nations? It's not as if they're giving their own kittens more benefits than citizens from other nations just because others are married in their home countries. Besides, I'm sure there are theocracies that see marriage as between two people only and would really scream if they had to deal with Bigamy or Polygamy being suddenly legal in their nation.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas and Swarming Cute Kittens Ambassador

[Glen-Rhodes]

If all you're going to do is read the first sentence of a reply, do me a favor and refrain from commenting on it.

I did read your entire reply, and it amounted to nothing more than skin-deep cries of 'national sovereignty'.

[Quadrimmina]

I could always dust off the emigration and statelessness proposal that I shelved, after its defeat, if the honored ambassadors gathered here agree. I think that such issues should be dealt separately, considering the scale of that particular issue.

I would agree. I am sealing this omnibus proposal in favor of that. This agenda is too loosely related to be considered effective.

Please do so, honorable Ms. Harper. We will draft appropriate legislation on our end for some of the other things we have proposed. However, we must first deal with the resolutions that we have put on hold during our recess.

DECLARES that all marriages legally recognized by a member nation must be considered valid in any other member nation.

Swarming Cute Kittens does not consider any marriage legally valid in their nation. Why should they change this to accommodate people from other nations? It's not as if they're giving their own kittens more benefits than citizens from other nations just because others are married in their home countries. Besides, I'm sure there are theocracies that see marriage as between two people only and would really scream if they had to deal with Bigamy or Polygamy being suddenly legal in their nation.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas and Swarming Cute Kittens Ambassador

It wouldn't affect anything so long as your nation doesn't offer special rights to married persons.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

We still offer full faith and credit to the ambassadors from Quadrimmina for trying anyway. It's often difficult to see what topics could go well as a combi-resolution and what could not. Of course, I don't wish to mess around with member states' immigration (entry) policy.

Yours etc,

[Quadrimmina]

We still offer full faith and credit to the ambassadors from Quadrimmina for trying anyway. It's often difficult to see what topics could go well as a combi-resolution and what could not. Of course, I don't wish to mess around with member states' immigration (entry) policy.

Yours etc,

Of course. It was an interesting endeavor, but upon writing it, we already knew it was going to fail. Still, food for thought for our fellow ambassadors is never a bad thing.