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Postby Michael VII » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:34 am

This is a copy of my Repeal the International Criminal Court Resolution. I have been informed of the bad formatting, so those who know their stuff, please constructively critique it! :D

Major Arguments:
On War Crimes:
"Murder, torture or other cruel or degrading treatment of prisoners of war or surrendered enemies." This is an example of how the International Court is taking over the countries right to rule. The given scenario is in a state of warfare, therefore, as the warring nation sees fit, the killing of prisoners of war and inhumane conduct towards the persons involved is a fine way to reach victory in war. The point of warfare is to defeat the opponent, by any means necessary. The so-called, 'murder' of prisoners-of-war SHOULD be mandated, given that the prisons are overflowing and that there needs to be room for more POWs. Also, in a warring environment, a deterrent to escaping or causing trouble, is to execute those responsible.
Scenario A- Three Prisoners of War escape. Under the current resolution, this doesn't allow for the guards to shoot down the escapees, as would be mandated and done by guards of any normal penitentiary, without judicial punishment.
"The use of nuclear, chemical, biological or radiological weapons against a civilian population with foreknowledge of likely civilian casualties." In warfare, the only way to win is to kill the opposing side, so that they may not in turn kill your people first. This proposal will never be upheld because of the nature of how many people are responsible for it, (whether the head of state is, military leader, manufacturers, the resolution has left out.) The foreknowledge of likely civilian casualties is a given. The more civilian casualties give the more likely chance that the other country will be ready to surrender. The restriction of weapons used, also stunt the ability for the nation to grow on a militaristic scale and stunts the research in the possible benefits received from manufacturing such weapons. This statement restricts the ability for a nation to grow technologically.

Section E,:
"Once acquitted by the ICC, no person shall be retried by the ICC for the same offense." This doesn't allow for the prosecution to bring forth new evidence that wasn't found or even legalised to do so at the time of the first trial. A no-retrial law will see more guilty criminals no longer subjected to do jail time for their crimes because of the unknown evidence at the time wasn't there to prove their guilt. If this is repealed, then, the new found evidence which will guarantee the persons guilt, will never be able to surface and will leave potential criminals still in the public. Another point, for mass murders, where the defendant is found guilty for several crimes, but not more, they are somewhat acquitted, and therefore not subjected to an added sentence by proving their guilt for the other crimes.
Section F:
"The ICC shall never impose the death penalty." This is essentially encouraging re-offending in some ways because they are not going to be punished to such an extent that their lives will end. Swifter Capital Punishment being practiced will save much more money for the ICC, if still in existence, or for the countries themselves, because tax payers will not have to pay for their murderers, rapists and drug dealers to be given food, shelter and unemployment. The death penalty SHOULD be used for heinous crimes, such as First-degree murder and arranged murders. This will act as a crime deterrent and free up prisons and give countries the ability to lower their taxes slightly for their citizens benefit.
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Postby Mikedor » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:38 am

Section F:
"The ICC shall never impose the death penalty." This is essentially encouraging re-offending in some ways because they are not going to be punished to such an extent that their lives will end. Swifter Capital Punishment being practiced will save much more money for the ICC, if still in existence, or for the countries themselves, because tax payers will not have to pay for their murderers, rapists and drug dealers to be given food, shelter and unemployment. The death penalty SHOULD be used for heinous crimes, such as First-degree murder and arranged murders. This will act as a crime deterrent and free up prisons and give countries the ability to lower their taxes slightly for their citizens benefit.

It costs more to keep someone on death row and then execute them than to imprison them for life.


"Murder, torture or other cruel or degrading treatment of prisoners of war or surrendered enemies." This is an example of how the International Court is taking over the countries right to rule. The given scenario is in a state of warfare, therefore, as the warring nation sees fit, the killing of prisoners of war and inhumane conduct towards the persons involved is a fine way to reach victory in war. The point of warfare is to defeat the opponent, by any means necessary. The so-called, 'murder' of prisoners-of-war SHOULD be mandated, given that the prisons are overflowing and that there needs to be room for more POWs. Also, in a warring environment, a deterrent to escaping or causing trouble, is to execute those responsible.

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Contravenes Resolution 18, the Prisoners of War Accord.
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I will put the call through for Todd.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:59 am

Tip #1 - Ask for help BEFORE you submit something, not AFTER.
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Postby Manticore Reborn » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:46 am

Grays Harbor wrote:Tip #1 - Ask for help BEFORE you submit something, not AFTER.

Hear, Hear.

In addition, perhaps you should not make your proposal so "bloggy". Also, may of the items you bring up in your "proposal" are not covered by the ICC.
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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:45 am

Where's sections A, B, C, and D?
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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:27 am

Michael VII wrote:This is a copy of my Repeal the International Criminal Court Resolution. I have been informed of the bad formatting, so those who know their stuff, please constructively critique it! :D

Major Arguments:
On War Crimes:
"Murder, torture or other cruel or degrading treatment of prisoners of war or surrendered enemies." This is an example of how the International Court is taking over the countries right to rule. The given scenario is in a state of warfare, therefore, as the warring nation sees fit, the killing of prisoners of war and inhumane conduct towards the persons involved is a fine way to reach victory in war. The point of warfare is to defeat the opponent, by any means necessary. The so-called, 'murder' of prisoners-of-war SHOULD be mandated, given that the prisons are overflowing and that there needs to be room for more POWs. Also, in a warring environment, a deterrent to escaping or causing trouble, is to execute those responsible.
Scenario A- Three Prisoners of War escape. Under the current resolution, this doesn't allow for the guards to shoot down the escapees, as would be mandated and done by guards of any normal penitentiary, without judicial punishment.

The murder of POWs even if this resolution were to be repealed (though I doubt it would be based on your "arguments"), POWs would still be granted protection through resolution #18: The Prisoners of War Accord. Further, your assertion that prisons are "overflowing" may be a valid argument for your nation but it isn't necessarily the case in others. In fact, shooting said prisoners would be a gross violation of resolution #18.

PROHIBITS PoWs, and civilian & military internees, from being subject to physical or mental interrogation, coercion, medical procedures not required to ensure such person's health, killed (including the killing of unapprehended hostile troops who have surrendered), and other such violations of human rights


It is worth noting that while force is permitted, force does not include killing.

a) Force may be used only in cases where the person in question is resisting apprehension, following reasonable warnings that such force is to be used. Detaining nation's forces are further permitted to search and remove any weapons and other contraband


Michael VII wrote:"The use of nuclear, chemical, biological or radiological weapons against a civilian population with foreknowledge of likely civilian casualties." In warfare, the only way to win is to kill the opposing side, so that they may not in turn kill your people first. This proposal will never be upheld because of the nature of how many people are responsible for it, (whether the head of state is, military leader, manufacturers, the resolution has left out.) The foreknowledge of likely civilian casualties is a given. The more civilian casualties give the more likely chance that the other country will be ready to surrender. The restriction of weapons used, also stunt the ability for the nation to grow on a militaristic scale and stunts the research in the possible benefits received from manufacturing such weapons. This statement restricts the ability for a nation to grow technologically.

We once again return to the problem of prior resolutions on the topic. For example, the use of biological weapons is already prohibited by a resolution on the book, so even if it was repealed, member nations would still be bound by those rules. (see resolution #65: Biological Weapons Conference for more details.)

From resolution #65:

1. REQUIRES member states to disarm their biological arsenal, never acquire or possess a biological weapon, or assist any non-member nation in any way to develop, acquire, or deploy such weapons (except for article 5).

2. CALLS FOR these weapons be disarmed in the safest way possible in order to protect the environment and citizens lives.


As you can see, there is already mandatory disarming of weapons for non-peaceful purposes and the mutual protection of civilians. The third clause does permit the use of force against non-members but it is apparent from the text that the use of weapons against civilian populations is prohibited, which makes the clause from the ICC resolution in line with existing obligations. At no time does this resolution or any other attempt to stifle research. In fact, clause 5 from resolution #65 permits research.

5.ALLOWS member nations to use such agents for peaceful purposes, either nationally or internationally, which includes and does not exclude, experimentation and implementations for vaccinations and other preventative treatments, testing for decontamination purposes, or other peaceful purposes. However, appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security.


Michael VII wrote:Section E,:
"Once acquitted by the ICC, no person shall be retried by the ICC for the same offense." This doesn't allow for the prosecution to bring forth new evidence that wasn't found or even legalised to do so at the time of the first trial. A no-retrial law will see more guilty criminals no longer subjected to do jail time for their crimes because of the unknown evidence at the time wasn't there to prove their guilt. If this is repealed, then, the new found evidence which will guarantee the persons guilt, will never be able to surface and will leave potential criminals still in the public. Another point, for mass murders, where the defendant is found guilty for several crimes, but not more, they are somewhat acquitted, and therefore not subjected to an added sentence by proving their guilt for the other crimes.

What happened to sections A-D?

What that clause refers to is double jeopardy. The 'same offense' includes the use of the same evidence.

From the resolution in question....

H. The ICC shall establish such rules and regulations, not conflicting with this resolution, concerning its operations as it sees fit, consistent with the principles of fairness and justice.


This means that if there is new evidence, they could go to trial again. Although it would be the same charge, it would be new evidence. The new evidence makes the retrial compliant and consistent with principles of fairness and justice.

Michael VII wrote:Section F:
"The ICC shall never impose the death penalty." This is essentially encouraging re-offending in some ways because they are not going to be punished to such an extent that their lives will end. Swifter Capital Punishment being practiced will save much more money for the ICC, if still in existence, or for the countries themselves, because tax payers will not have to pay for their murderers, rapists and drug dealers to be given food, shelter and unemployment. The death penalty SHOULD be used for heinous crimes, such as First-degree murder and arranged murders. This will act as a crime deterrent and free up prisons and give countries the ability to lower their taxes slightly for their citizens benefit.

How is it encouraging them to re-offend if they are incarcerated? What proof is there that this is a deterrent?
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Postby Don-Quixote » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:41 pm

The Most Glorious Hack wrote:Where's sections A, B, C, and D?

I believe that they are incorporated in the first block of text prior to F. They just haven't been formulated as of yet.
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Postby Michael VII » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:05 am

I wasn't so much asking for the opinion of the resolution so much as asking where I went wrong with formatting. At the time of the proposal, I was not aware of these forums existing for me to ask for help. I came here after I received a telegram from an approving delegate sayying that he accepted the resolution, but thought I needed to work on formatting. Hence I came here.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:31 am

Opinions on content are what we do. We do not blindly "help" with formatting, particularly when we believe the entire concept is flawed to begin with.
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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:34 am

Michael VII wrote:I wasn't so much asking for the opinion of the resolution so much as asking where I went wrong with formatting. At the time of the proposal, I was not aware of these forums existing for me to ask for help. I came here after I received a telegram from an approving delegate sayying that he accepted the resolution, but thought I needed to work on formatting. Hence I came here.


Not to be rude, but you need to take the others' opinions of the proposal into consideration.

Formatting is good and important, but if the content is utter tripe you are not going to get anywhere. And quite frankly, it saves you alot of time and adds to your chances of success if you take others opinions into account.

Just thought you might like {need} to know that.
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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:53 am

Grays Harbor wrote:Opinions on content are what we do. We do not blindly "help" with formatting, particularly when we believe the entire concept is flawed to begin with.


Heh heh, I am perfectly willing to help in formatting, wording, and making it legal. I simply reserve the right to not support the measure, and to be able to state that fact and campaign against it openly.
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Postby Michael VII » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:11 am

I am aware that not all people have the same perspective as I do, I didn't expect every one to agree. If I did, then someone else would have already made the proposal before me. However, from a nation I received a telegram praising the resolution an it's ideas, however they critiqued my formatting, which is why I asked for formatting help...and please stop copping abuse to me about the resolution, at least criticise in a constructive way. I didn't make the proposal to make enemies. Think about how you are the ones not taking into account any other opinions by shutting down mine.
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Postby Nullarni » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:34 am

Just as a simple warning: This forum is for debating the content and merits of GA proposals. If you cannot handle that, the WA may not be the place for you.

Honestly, this is one of the tamer threads I have seen. And just because people are criticising the content or wording of your proposal does not mean they are criticising you directly. The reviews may be scathing at times, but none of the regulars here intend any malice what so ever.
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Postby Mikedor » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:36 am

Michael VII wrote:I am aware that not all people have the same perspective as I do, I didn't expect every one to agree. If I did, then someone else would have already made the proposal before me. However, from a nation I received a telegram praising the resolution an it's ideas, however they critiqued my formatting, which is why I asked for formatting help...and please stop copping abuse to me about the resolution, at least criticise in a constructive way. I didn't make the proposal to make enemies. Think about how you are the ones not taking into account any other opinions by shutting down mine.

But this it contravenes other, already standing resolutions, for instance:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=331#p330

and much of it isn't actually affected by the ICC.
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Michael VII wrote:I am aware that not all people have the same perspective as I do, I didn't expect every one to agree. If I did, then someone else would have already made the proposal before me. However, from a nation I received a telegram praising the resolution an it's ideas, however they critiqued my formatting, which is why I asked for formatting help...and please stop copping abuse to me about the resolution, at least criticise in a constructive way. I didn't make the proposal to make enemies. Think about how you are the ones not taking into account any other opinions by shutting down mine.

Let's see....

'Format' covers a wide area; it is everything from language to how the proposal's arguments are presented. In this case, you have included the arguments in the proposal which normally belong in the thread. The repeal should have concise arguments and not lengthy prose. Each argument should be pertinent to the actual resolution and not some far-fetched scenario. For examples of a strong repeal, you ought to look to prior repeals to see what was successful.

You can find all resolutions (including repeals) in the Passed World Assembly Resolutions thread. Successful repeals with excellent formatting that you may want to look at include and are not limited to: Repeal "The Right to a Fair Trial", Repeal "Coordinating Relief Aid", Repeal "Prevention of Terrorism" and one of the more recent ones, Repeal "Disaster Preparedness Act".

Further, no one is shutting you down. There are rules and when it is apparent that a proposal's author is willingly ignoring those the patience of the many who would normally help wears thin. Their collective irritation will show through if you refuse any advice.
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Postby Intellect and the Arts » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:10 am

A few corrections:

First, I did not state my approval for the proposals. While I stated that there were formatting issues, I did not state that they were the only issues. I do make a point to encourage enthusiasm and a desire to be part of events, but do not mistake that for my approval of the content of said enthusiasm.

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Postby Michael VII » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:05 am

I received one of praise from a nation stating formatting issues also. You [Intellect and the arts] were not the only one mentioning the formatting issues. And sorry for assuming your gender also. I posted this topic to know what I did wrong...
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Postby Kryozerkia » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:44 am

I find it terribly amusing that Michael VII has bemoaned the lack of constructive criticism of his proposal and has ignored the actual input which is the very constructive criticism he seems to want.
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Postby Don-Quixote » Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:44 pm

Michael VII wrote:I am aware that not all people have the same perspective as I do, I didn't expect every one to agree. If I did, then someone else would have already made the proposal before me. However, from a nation I received a telegram praising the resolution an it's ideas, however they critiqued my formatting, which is why I asked for formatting help...and please stop copping abuse to me about the resolution, at least criticise in a constructive way. I didn't make the proposal to make enemies. Think about how you are the ones not taking into account any other opinions by shutting down mine.

I suggest that you actually look at other peoples drafts and do the formatting yourself. It's not hard.
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Postby New Buckner » Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:22 pm

Review what other esteemed delegates have submitted towards this body for review, and then I would revisit this idea. In the meantime, I would ask one of the moderators to block out this discussion and move on from it, lesson learned.

I for one will not waste my time reviewing or even considering this manner when proposed it looks like something I would find in a point piece by one of my staffers. This is far from any sort or semblance of legislation to be presented before the Assembly.
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