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Repeal the Sexual Privacy Act, Final Draft

Postby Missourian Rebels » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:50 pm

Category: Repeal

REMEMBERING that Resolution #16, Also known as the Sexual Privacy Act, Forbids ALL WA member nations to ban Homosexuality, which is a breach upon the Idealogies of Certain Religions of Which May have a Degree of Control on Nations, and May Have control over just certain areas of nations,

This resolution Mandates that Resolution #16 is to Be regarded as REPEALED, should this resolution be passed
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:02 pm

repeals do not have a 'strength"
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It manages to be short, hateful, and antagonistic. How disgustingly remarkable...

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Postby Greenlandic People » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:06 pm

This is your final draft? I shudder to think what the previous iterations of this repeal looked like.

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Postby Hirota » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:18 pm

Missourian Rebels wrote:Category: Repeal

REMEMBERING that Resolution #16, Also known as the Sexual Privacy Act, Forbids ALL WA member nations to ban Homosexuality, which is a breach upon the Idealogies of Certain Religions of Which May have a Degree of Control on Nations, and May Have control over just certain areas of nations,

This resolution Mandates that Resolution #16 is to Be regarded as REPEALED, should this resolution be passed
Opposed, always.

The only reason I'd consider endorsing or voting for this is if a stronger, even more pro-homosexuality proposal was in the drafting phase.
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Postby Aranoff » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:21 pm

This is an outright absurd notion. Those member-nations who have theocratic regimes, centered around a powerful dictatorship, are clearly in the minority, and as such, the World Assembly spoke its majority when it passed Resolution #16. A repeal of this magnitude is not only illogical, but also sets the tone and paves the way for more discriminatory laws against homosexuals. We Aranovians cannot possibly support this, as we believe personal autonomy and freedom would be infringed upon. While nations need autonomy, the World Assembly must also look out for individuals as well.
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Postby Embolalia » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:38 pm

Hirota wrote:
Missourian Rebels wrote:Category: Repeal

REMEMBERING that Resolution #16, Also known as the Sexual Privacy Act, Forbids ALL WA member nations to ban Homosexuality, which is a breach upon the Idealogies of Certain Religions of Which May have a Degree of Control on Nations, and May Have control over just certain areas of nations,

This resolution Mandates that Resolution #16 is to Be regarded as REPEALED, should this resolution be passed
Opposed, always.

The only reason I'd consider endorsing or voting for this is if a stronger, even more pro-homosexuality proposal was in the drafting phase.

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Postby Estruia » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:41 pm

The thought of the majority, catering to the minority, is quite, well to be honest, moronic, people who want to ban homosexuality and other sexual orientations are a minority here, as shown by the passing of the sexual privacy act, Personally, I suggest just accepting things as they are, Or try to find a loophole if you are so set against people who differ from yourself.
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Postby Ardchoille » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:16 pm

Fair go, guys. Here's someone trying to learn the tricks of the trade. You could at least refer him to the how-to section:
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Yes, you can Repeal, provided you use the Repeal function. If you make your own Proposal in some other category and calling it a Repeal, it's going to be deleted. Remember, Repeals can only repeal the existing resolution. You can provide reasons for repeal, but not any new provisions or laws.

Furthermore, simply stating "National Sovereignty" is not sufficient grounds for a Repeal. Since such a stance could be used on every single Resolution, it is little more than saying "I don't like it."

Also, Repealing on the grounds of an old Resolution violating the current rules is not sufficient. Many old Resolutions were in existence before this rule set (or the Enodian rules) were in effect; some were in effect before Moderators existed. On a more practical side, Repealing because a Resolution violates the rules is itself a MetaGaming violation: the laws do not "exist" from an In Character standpoint.


I've bolded the bit that refers to the weakness in this repeal and underlined the sections you should always keep in mind when writing one.

By saying "it breaches the ideologies of certain religions" you're arguing that the sovereignty of those ideas -- the national sovereignty of such nations -- is more important than the decisions of the WA. We used to get (actually, we still do get) so many repeals based solely on that notion that Hack wrote a special rule just for them.

The point is: the WA has already decided that, in a given case, it will over-ride the sovereignty of certain nations. So repeals based on national sovereignty simply say, "Repeal it, WA, because those nations think you made the wrong decision." You need better arguments than that to convince the WA to change its mind.

Check out a few of the repeals in this thread to see how it's done.
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Postby Missourian Rebels » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:52 pm

I'm Not saying it invades National Soverignty, I'm trying to say that it Invades on the right of Religious People within the Governments

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Postby Estruia » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:08 pm

So then, you would intrude upon the sovereignty of other nations, just to appease a religion of YOUR nation?
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:43 pm

Missourian Rebels wrote:Category: Repeal

REMEMBERING that Resolution #16, Also known as the Sexual Privacy Act, Forbids ALL WA member nations to ban Homosexuality, which is a breach upon the Idealogies of Certain Religions of Which May have a Degree of Control on Nations, and May Have control over just certain areas of nations,

This resolution Mandates that Resolution #16 is to Be regarded as REPEALED, should this resolution be passed


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Postby Darenjo » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:38 pm

When i first read your previous drafts, i seriously thought that you might've driven all the way to california, moved there, voted for Proposition 8, then moved back to wherever you live.

As always, we oppose any resolution attempting to repeal the SPA, on the grounds that it is illegal and horribly prejudiced.


Also, in response to your religious argument, most nations are secular (even if they have a nat. religion they still permit others), and theocracies (in the RL sense) probably couldn't retain the govt. if they were members of the WA.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:46 pm

We will not support this repeal under any circumstances, and feel that the use of religion is merely hide your nation's blatant and ignorant homophobia.

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Postby Enn » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:30 am

Missourian Rebels wrote:I'm Not saying it invades National Soverignty, I'm trying to say that it Invades on the right of Religious People within the Governments

... which in no way addresses Ardchoille's points. I suggest re-reading her post, and seeing just what she was indicating.
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Postby Mikedor » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:35 am

Why must you be so insecure as to persecute people for homosexuality?

Is the Ambassador from Missourian Rebels perhaps in denial?
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Postby Philimbesi » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:54 am

I'm Not saying it invades National Soverignty, I'm trying to say that it Invades on the right of Religious People within the Governments


Actually no it doesn't it says that a government can't discriminate on the basis of a citizen's sexuality. It says nothing about the churches or religious persons in the government. They are free to be as bigoted and short-sighted as they'd like. They just can't act on it.
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Postby The Ainocran Embassy » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:49 am

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We feel that an individual has the right to do whatever they please with another consenting adult.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:54 am

Mikedor wrote:Why must you be so insecure as to persecute people for homosexuality?

Is the Ambassador from Missourian Rebels perhaps in denial?
I've already suggestedthat by way of example.

I'm already rage-drafting a stronger, despicable gay rights proposal that will force all theocracies to not knock it until they've tried it.
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Postby Mousebumples » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:33 pm

Philimbesi wrote:
I'm Not saying it invades National Soverignty, I'm trying to say that it Invades on the right of Religious People within the Governments


Actually no it doesn't it says that a government can't discriminate on the basis of a citizen's sexuality. It says nothing about the churches or religious persons in the government. They are free to be as bigoted and short-sighted as they'd like. They just can't act on it.

Further, I believe that there is no stipulation in the SPA that requires churches to allow homosexual marriage. However, individual member nations must allow it, even if it is secular marriage.
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