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Postby Linux and the X » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:21 am

North Davku Company wrote:Ambassadors please! let us stay on topic here - the regulation and improvement of creativity.

Those two goals are mutually exclusive.
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Postby North Davku Company » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:43 am

There are many proven ways for government to encourage creativity in a society.

Notice it
Regular sanity checks
Reward it
Systematise it
Request it
Delegate it

In governing creativity, one of the key tasks for CREATE is to understand the problem space and help people define it and then work within it to solve the problem in a correctly creative way. The list above are all examples of how this works in practice.

We have found that true creativity, like a flame, cannot exist in a vacuum - it needs the oxygen of discipline and the spark of government to exist. Government has a central role in building a creative society but for it to be effective it has to work with CREATE to define the boundaries of responsibility, to build bridges between disparate functions and to build a culture that supports disciplined and true creativity.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:50 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Sweden III wrote:The Dictatorship of Sweden III is very supportive of this resolution. We have been meaning to establish our own law on the regulation and improvement of creativity, however we didn't have the superior intellect required to actually figure out the best way to do it. In regards to opposition to this resolution, I believe that the problem here is that they don't fully understand what you mean, exactly, by creativity. You meantioned rhyme and the arts, but I think you need to add a very specific and confusing definition to creativity. If people had this, then I think that you would have full support from the whole world.


Lets see...

Brand New nation - CHECK
First and only post is in favour of a silly proposal - CHECK
Sopports the most bizarre portions of the proposal - CHECK


Hmmm do I smell a North Davku Company or Eraplevok PUPPET? :palm:


Hahaha... I don't think he mispelled support, your excellency.


can I plead "cat on my lap while typing" as the reason? :p
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Postby Lowell Leber » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:51 am

North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:53 am

North Davku Company wrote:Ambassadors please! let us stay on topic here - the regulation and improvement of creativity.

Sweden III had an excellent suggestion with the addition of a specific and confusing definition of creativity to the proposal. This can easily be done. Do all of you agree that this addition will help you understand the necessity of improving creativity by law?


Not even close. There is nothing, not a thing, that could convince us that government regulation of creativity is anything other than a batshit insane lunatic idea better left to the shredder.

Either post this travesty or give it up. One or the other. Your 'arguments" trying to get people to believe this tripe are getting more and more grating on the nerves.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:54 am

Lowell Leber wrote:
North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

With Contempt,
Ms. A. McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Imperial Syndicate of Lowell Leber.


We were thinking the office shredder and incinerator would be a huge improvement for it.
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Postby Joshuahood » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:57 am

Eraplevok wrote:so if something is good, the one and only reason it is good is because something else is bad. A work of art can not be good on its own, it requires something to be bad first. Perhaps those bad works of art should be appreciated more because without them, nothing would be good.


Essentially. Someone can say something is good, but what makes it good? Compared to what? The good is good because the bad makes it look good. That may not be the only reason, but it is a major part of it.

then If everything was equal, nothing would be bad which is good.


No. This is where you messed up in favor of wanting this proposal to sound good. If everything were equal, it is true that that would be good, compared to now, but who says that they were be equal in making perfect Mona Lisas? They could all be equally good at making stick figures! If everything were equal, nothing would be bad, which is good, but nothing would be good either, which is bad. Everything would be the same, there would be no contrasts, no diferences in quality, and everything would get boring.

Imagine if all of a sudden, everyone COULD paint perfect paintings. You'd be walking down the street and see Mona Lisa graphiti art, playing in your yard and see a truck go by with a Rembrandt painted on it, watching TV and seeing a Van Gogh in a cartoon character's house, coming home from school and seeing that your little sister drew a Picasso. Cartoon characters would be... like real people! All of this art, without contrast from good to bad to mediocre, would become so normal after a while, you wouldn't see it! Not to mention great works burned and everyone speaking in rhyme. This is a world CREATE would... create.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:04 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:
North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

With Contempt,
Ms. A. McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Imperial Syndicate of Lowell Leber.


We were thinking the office shredder and incinerator would be a huge improvement for it.

My office fireplace seems to like it.
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Postby Quadrimmina » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:07 am

Linux and the X wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:
North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

With Contempt,
Ms. A. McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Imperial Syndicate of Lowell Leber.


We were thinking the office shredder and incinerator would be a huge improvement for it.

My office fireplace seems to like it.

Ambassador Lewis reads the resolution on his computer screen one last time, sighs, and hits the "BALEETED!" button. He then continues on with his day.
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Postby Flibbleites » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:19 am

Linux and the X wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:
North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

With Contempt,
Ms. A. McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Imperial Syndicate of Lowell Leber.


We were thinking the office shredder and incinerator would be a huge improvement for it.

My office fireplace seems to like it.

It works well as toilet paper in a pinch too.

Hey! what do you know. This proposal really is inspiring creativity. :D

Bob Flibble
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Postby Sweden III » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:42 am

Sweden III is anything but a puppet state, sir, priding itself on its lack of ever having had anything in the line of or having any relation to anything involved with puppetism. We have acted as a puppet MASTER state back in 1992 when we manipulated some things in order to get our way, but that was so long ago we aren't even in the middle of doing the remembering of what that was being. Now onto that confusing definition of creativity. I'm going to write it in paragraph form instead of bullet form so that it looks even more confusing.
Anything that will have anything to be doing with anything involved in the being creative will have to be being in the middle of some rhyming if it is in the considering of being having something of poetic elements. If the being that is being in the middle of creative IS NOT in the middle of having poetic elements, then it doesn't have to be being rhyming, but it might be being wanting to be considering it because the rhyming is good anyway. If the creativing being is not in the middle of word form then it mustn't be being rhyming because obviously it is a painting or something and painting can't be being rhyming, at least not until we pass it resolution to force it to be.
Well that is only being covering half of the island, if someone else wants to finish it, be being my guest.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:42 am

Flibbleites wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:
North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


What "wonderful" legislation are you referring to? If your speaking of the current piece up for debate you are decieving yourself.

With Contempt,
Ms. A. McGuire.
High Commissoner for WA Affairs,
The Imperial Syndicate of Lowell Leber.


We were thinking the office shredder and incinerator would be a huge improvement for it.

My office fireplace seems to like it.

It works well as toilet paper in a pinch too.

Hey! what do you know. This proposal really is inspiring creativity. :D

Bob Flibble
WA Representative


And here's the shocker... all without government control!
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:44 am

Sweden III wrote:Sweden III is anything but a puppet state, sir, priding itself on its lack of ever having had anything in the line of or having any relation to anything involved with puppetism. We have acted as a puppet MASTER state back in 1992 when we manipulated some things in order to get our way, but that was so long ago we aren't even in the middle of doing the remembering of what that was being. Now onto that confusing definition of creativity. I'm going to write it in paragraph form instead of bullet form so that it looks even more confusing.
Anything that will have anything to be doing with anything involved in the being creative will have to be being in the middle of some rhyming if it is in the considering of being having something of poetic elements. If the being that is being in the middle of creative IS NOT in the middle of having poetic elements, then it doesn't have to be being rhyming, but it might be being wanting to be considering it because the rhyming is good anyway. If the creativing being is not in the middle of word form then it mustn't be being rhyming because obviously it is a painting or something and painting can't be being rhyming, at least not until we pass it resolution to force it to be.
Well that is only being covering half of the island, if someone else wants to finish it, be being my guest.


We are trying to think how you could have been even more confused and confusing with that diatribe, but it just ain't coming.
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Postby Sweden III » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:45 am

by thway, I think it is being funny that grays harbor is an inoffensive something or other because I am getting quite offended by his remarks.

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:01 am

Grays Harbor is NOT offensive. They have been on the fore-front on many WA achievements, authoring many pieces of legislation themselves. They have the right to criticize ill-thoughout proposals like this one.
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Postby Sweden III » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:54 am

yes he is

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Postby Quadrimmina » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:13 pm

Sweden III wrote:yes he is

Excellent rebuttal. Sarcastic slow clap Now will you stop wasting my delegation's time or not?

Meanwhile, I am livid about your comments concerning the delegation from Grays Harbor. They are personal friends of mine and are very well-respected delegates. I will of course be notifying your nation's government of your behavior, which is very unprofessional and frankly troubling for a member with such a prestigious position.
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Postby Lowell Leber » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:52 pm

Sweden III wrote:by thway, I think it is being funny that grays harbor is an inoffensive something or other because I am getting quite offended by his remarks.


We find your lack of civility offensive, not to mention somewhat obnoxious.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:00 pm

Lord Eugene looked up from his tea, "I offended somebody? Dreadful! Next they shall tell me I shan't be allowed to make commentaries in my own language." He thought for a moment, "Oh yes, they have already requested I do my arguments in english. Hmmpf. And all because of this silly bit of fluff masquerading as a serious draft."

OOC: Seriously, if the minor snark I use in my arguments offends you, then the General Assembly is probably not the place for you.
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Postby Lowell Leber » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:07 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Lord Eugene looked up from his tea, "I offended somebody? Dreadful! Next they shall tell me I shan't be allowed to make commentaries in my own language." He thought for a moment, "Oh yes, they have already requested I do my arguments in english. Hmmpf. And all because of this silly bit of fluff masquerading as a serious draft."

OOC: Seriously, if the minor snark I use in my arguments offends you, then the General Assembly is probably not the place for you.


"Lord Eugene" Abigail said over the phone to the Grays Harbor booth. "I hope that you know that I was referring to the represenative from Sweeden III, not you good sir."
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Postby Quadrimmina » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:26 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Lord Eugene looked up from his tea, "I offended somebody? Dreadful! Next they shall tell me I shan't be allowed to make commentaries in my own language." He thought for a moment, "Oh yes, they have already requested I do my arguments in english. Hmmpf. And all because of this silly bit of fluff masquerading as a serious draft."

OOC: Seriously, if the minor snark I use in my arguments offends you, then the General Assembly is probably not the place for you.


"Lord Eugene" Abigail said over the phone to the Grays Harbor booth. "I hope that you know that I was referring to the represenative from Sweeden III, not you good sir."

Abigail, I believe Lord Eugene was referring to the same person.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:32 pm

Quadrimmina wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Lord Eugene looked up from his tea, "I offended somebody? Dreadful! Next they shall tell me I shan't be allowed to make commentaries in my own language." He thought for a moment, "Oh yes, they have already requested I do my arguments in english. Hmmpf. And all because of this silly bit of fluff masquerading as a serious draft."

OOC: Seriously, if the minor snark I use in my arguments offends you, then the General Assembly is probably not the place for you.


"Lord Eugene" Abigail said over the phone to the Grays Harbor booth. "I hope that you know that I was referring to the represenative from Sweeden III, not you good sir."

Abigail, I believe Lord Eugene was referring to the same person.


Yes, quite. What disturbs us about this, aside from the fact it is a damned idiotic excuse for a proposal, is that the nation who felt offended is "Sweden III". We sincerely hope that doesn't mean there are 2 others just like them out there some place.
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Postby Sweden III » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:06 am

*The Dictator of Sweden III's wife and mother both crying, the brave dictator makes a brave and heroic choice*
Gray Harbor!
*The wise dictator screems out from across the room*
I declare war on you!
*The room is in shock. One could even hear a needle drop to the ground. Silence.*
*The brave dictator waits for a responce, still standing behind his desk.*
*Suddenly, a thunderous roar! The others approve! They applaud the dictator's bravery and heroism! Just as they were about to hoist him upon their shoulders, the dictator speaks out*
My fellow strong men, I only did what any sensible man would have done.
He is so wise!
*A voice from the crowd said*
Let us celebrate this man's virtuous ways!
*Cheers from the crowd*
*The dictator was flattered. He knew he deserved every bit of praise he was receiving, but could only blush in return*
*The day ends, and every one goes home*

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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:23 am

You declare war on me? Really? :lol2:

The Mouse That Roared all over again. You declaring war on me is a bit like Liechtenstein declaring war on China. Yeah, thats gonna end well.
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Postby Sweden III » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:26 am

my numbers may be few, but ever since my little nation began, I started training elite soldiers. It takes 100 bullets to kill just one of them, assuming all of them are delivered to the head.
oh yea... and Grays Harbor...
They... Are... Already... Attacking. :mad:

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