[DRAFT] True Creativity Act

[Bergnovinaia]

Sorry, can't do that yet

Why? Isn't it already self-eveident that several experienced WA resolution writers think this is a waste of time... as for the Bergnovinaian Delegation which is somewhat experienced in culture resolutions since we authored GA Resolution #72, Cultural Heritage Protection, we are confused as to what you are aiming for in this legisation other than to make rhyming somewhat mandatory, which is as already stated, an enormous waste of time.

[Grays Harbor]

Sorry, can't do that yet

OOC: please stop trolling the GA, because thats all this is.

IC: Then we have nothing further to say, as ourselves and others have pointed out how flawed, ridiculous, objectionable, impractical, and downright bloody stupid this is. If your delegation has nothing better to do than try to legislate poetry to your own simple-minded version of "What It Should Be", then we certainly have nothing further to say to you about this mindless drivel. We have made our recomendation, it is now incumbant upon you to either stop with this nonsense, or go ahead and submit it so as to see just how little support you truly have for this dreck.

[North Davku Company]

Seriously, what does it mean by a waste of time?

This is not a proposal of what creativity should be, its a proposal to improve creativity

There is no flaw in this idea, this is not ridiculous, this is not stupid. It is as logical and rational as can be.

It encourages the true form of creativity, it destroys that which is a disgrace to art. A golden age of pure creativity and enlightenment will be a result.
Government can take care of society and lead it down the right path. A more equal society where everybody is equally creative in the correct form.

Equality is CREATES stock in trade when it comes down to it. Every man is equal and shall remain equal and this can only be done by legislation.
If one man is more creative than another it is unfair. This "regulation" of creativity levels the playing field.

Government control over creativity will ensure justice and equality. Is that really a flawed idea? Is this ridiculous to you?

[Eraplevok]

I would support this grand piece of legislation. Don't worry man, Im in the same boat with ya. I tried submitting proposals and was given a hard time by the same peeps. Then the mods tossed out all my proposals cause they determined that they were "stupid". So don't be upset, maybe we can work together on another proposal and help the world

[Grays Harbor]

Seriously, what does it mean by a waste of time?

This is not a proposal of what creativity should be, its a proposal to improve creativity

There is no flaw in this idea, this is not ridiculous, this is not stupid. It is as logical and rational as can be.

It encourages the true form of creativity, it destroys that which is a disgrace to art. A golden age of pure creativity and enlightenment will be a result.
Government can take care of society and lead it down the right path. A more equal society where everybody is equally creative in the correct form.

Equality is CREATES stock in trade when it comes down to it. Every man is equal and shall remain equal and this can only be done by legislation.
If one man is more creative than another it is unfair. This "regulation" of creativity levels the playing field.

Government control over creativity will ensure justice and equality. Is that really a flawed idea? Is this ridiculous to you?

Yes. Ridiculous. Bloody stupid. "Government control over creativity"?

Allow me to make this as clear as possible. I will speak slowly so you may possibly comprehend. ... You .... Can .... Not .... Legislate .... Creativity.... Into .... Existance. Limiting creativity by government fiat is a bloody stupid idea, cannot and will not promote being creative and only serves to stifle it by permitting only "approved" items. That is not creativity, that is propaganda.

This ... Is ... Bloody ... Stupid

OOC: this is becoming trolling, not putting up a proposal.

[Bergnovinaia]

Seriously, what does it mean by a waste of time?

This is not a proposal of what creativity should be, its a proposal to improve creativity

There is no flaw in this idea, this is not ridiculous, this is not stupid. It is as logical and rational as can be.

It encourages the true form of creativity, it destroys that which is a disgrace to art. A golden age of pure creativity and enlightenment will be a result.
Government can take care of society and lead it down the right path. A more equal society where everybody is equally creative in the correct form.

Equality is CREATES stock in trade when it comes down to it. Every man is equal and shall remain equal and this can only be done by legislation.
If one man is more creative than another it is unfair. This "regulation" of creativity levels the playing field.

Government control over creativity will ensure justice and equality. Is that really a flawed idea? Is this ridiculous to you?

Yes. Ridiculous. Bloody stupid. "Government control over creativity"?

Allow me to make this as clear as possible. I will speak slowly so you may possibly comprehend. ... You .... Can .... Not .... Legislate .... Creativity.... Into .... Existance. Limiting creativity by government fiat is a bloody stupid idea, cannot and will not promote being creative and only serves to stifle it by permitting only "approved" items. That is not creativity, that is propaganda.

This ... Is ... Bloody ... Stupid

OOC: this is becoming trolling, not putting up a proposal.

OOC: Haha, I like the way you think...

IC: The government of Bergnovinaia can simply not permit the following from happening in our nation:

Man: "I'm sorry officer, but I don't know how to rhyme!"
Officer: "You're gonna be creative and rhyme whether you like it or not!"
Man: "But I don't know how!"
*gunshot*
Officer: "My work here is done."

[Joshuahood]

I would support this grand piece of legislation. Don't worry man, Im in the same boat with ya. I tried submitting proposals and was given a hard time by the same peeps. Then the mods tossed out all my proposals cause they determined that they were "stupid". So don't be upset, maybe we can work together on another proposal and help the world

OOC to both the author and Eraplevok: People make threads like these so that other people can help them fix their draft, for people to help the WA and mods to keep stupid or illegal proposals out of the proposal area. We have tried to convince the author that this proposal, as it stands, is too narrow and a waste of time, as it currently stands. If you are only going to support this "grand piece of legislation" because you were given a hard time by the people trying to help you/save you from the humiliation of having your proposals laughed at in the "Silly GA Proposals" thread, then I would strongly advise against this. Think of how a proposal would effect your nation (i.e. everyone speaking in rhyme) before supporting it, if you are only supporting it because of a grudge. If you are actually supporting it, look at it. It basically says that poems such as the Illiad or Odyssey are not works of art, and therefroe must be destroyed. It is not the furtherment of art and creativity if such great works are destroyed, and people are discouraged from making works of art that the government deems is not art. Imagine living in a world like this: where art is destroyed and hindered because someone has decided that art should be a certain way.

Art is in the eye of the beholder: what one person sees as a pile of trash another could see as a work of art. That pile of trash would be destroyed because someone has decided that it is not "true" art. I've seen pictures of where artists go into a landfill or scrapyard, come out with a handful of trash, and turn it into some pretty cool, interesting art figures. You can still tell what the different trash pieces were, but together, they are no longer trash to some people. If you take away unrhyming poetry, what many call one of the greatest epic poems, the Illiad and Odyssey, would not be "true" art, because someone decided that "true" artistic poetry has to rhyme. Two great works, gone. That is what this proposal will do if it passes. This "grand piece of legislature," as you put it, will sacrifice creativity for children who speak in rhyme, what the author calls, to paraphrase, true creativity among everyone. Governments wouldn't treat everyone fairly just because everyone can speak in rhyme! There are many other reasons people would discriminate against other people besides their level of creativity, such as race, gender, or even their skill level in other subjects besides the Arts. What's next, legislating that some forms of math, such as algebra or calculus, are to be forgotten so that everyone will learn basic math so that EVERYONE will be at the same math level, sacrificing necessary skills for construction? Or everyone will only learn physics and not chemistry or biology so that everyone is equal in their skills in physics? How about disregarding soccer and basketball so that everyone will have the same skill level in baseball? If everyone were at the same skill level in the Arts, then great paintings would be everywhere, in which case there would be no great paintings because there are no bad paintings to make the great paintings great. What makes one thing great, or rich, or special, is how it is compared to the norm. If everything was great, that would be the new norm, making everything insignificant with another. People would lose interest in the Arts, and so the Arts would essentially cease to exist! What you see as a world full of artistic wonders, the rest of the world sees as a place where art would become insignificant.

Do you see what I'm saying here? A resolution like this would essentially kill the Arts over time, not promote it.

[North Davku Company]

Yes. Ridiculous. Bloody stupid. "Government control over creativity"?

Allow me to make this as clear as possible. I will speak slowly so you may possibly comprehend. ... You .... Can .... Not .... Legislate .... Creativity.... Into .... Existance. Limiting creativity by government fiat is a bloody stupid idea, cannot and will not promote being creative and only serves to stifle it by permitting only "approved" items. That is not creativity, that is propaganda.

This ... Is ... Bloody ... Stupid.

shoot, im trying to read it as slow as possible so I might comprehend, but alas, I fear I might be reading it too fast.

Not... Legislating... creativity.... into....... existance.... rather... legislating.... what............ true... creativity...... is..... which....is.....already.........existing......
I put in these dot things so you understand that I am speaking really slow. I think the slower anyone talks, the better the chance of understanding for the listener.
Unless you were trying to insult me which hurts my heart.

its approved because its the correct form of creativity and a pure form of creativity. Propaganda? only cause its true. I guess 2 and 2 is 4 is propaganda.

[Grays Harbor]

You are beginning to weary us.

"True creativity" is not legislated or government controlled. That is crap. Your proposal is crap. You have been told by many delegates here just how bad it is, just what the problems are, how they might be corrected, what can stay and what can go....

and you persist with your nonsensical arguments.

Should you ever decide to put forth a proposal worth consideration, get back to us. As for this bit of dreck, we are finished debating with a wall.

[Eraplevok]

OOC to both the author and Eraplevok: People make threads like these so that other people can help them fix their draft, for people to help the WA and mods to keep stupid or illegal proposals out of the proposal area. We have tried to convince the author that this proposal, as it stands, is too narrow and a waste of time, as it currently stands. If you are only going to support this "grand piece of legislation" because you were given a hard time by the people trying to help you/save you from the humiliation of having your proposals laughed at in the "Silly GA Proposals" thread, then I would strongly advise against this. Think of how a proposal would effect your nation (i.e. everyone speaking in rhyme) before supporting it, if you are only supporting it because of a grudge. If you are actually supporting it, look at it. It basically says that poems such as the Illiad or Odyssey are not works of art, and therefroe must be destroyed. It is not the furtherment of art and creativity if such great works are destroyed, and people are discouraged from making works of art that the government deems is not art. Imagine living in a world like this: where art is destroyed and hindered because someone has decided that art should be a certain way.

Art is in the eye of the beholder: what one person sees as a pile of trash another could see as a work of art. That pile of trash would be destroyed because someone has decided that it is not "true" art. I've seen pictures of where artists go into a landfill or scrapyard, come out with a handful of trash, and turn it into some pretty cool, interesting art figures. You can still tell what the different trash pieces were, but together, they are no longer trash to some people. If you take away unrhyming poetry, what many call one of the greatest epic poems, the Illiad and Odyssey, would not be "true" art, because someone decided that "true" artistic poetry has to rhyme. Two great works, gone. That is what this proposal will do if it passes. This "grand piece of legislature," as you put it, will sacrifice creativity for children who speak in rhyme, what the author calls, to paraphrase, true creativity among everyone. Governments wouldn't treat everyone fairly just because everyone can speak in rhyme! There are many other reasons people would discriminate against other people besides their level of creativity, such as race, gender, or even their skill level in other subjects besides the Arts. What's next, legislating that some forms of math, such as algebra or calculus, are to be forgotten so that everyone will learn basic math so that EVERYONE will be at the same math level, sacrificing necessary skills for construction? Or everyone will only learn physics and not chemistry or biology so that everyone is equal in their skills in physics? How about disregarding soccer and basketball so that everyone will have the same skill level in baseball? If everyone were at the same skill level in the Arts, then great paintings would be everywhere, in which case there would be no great paintings because there are no bad paintings to make the great paintings great. What makes one thing great, or rich, or special, is how it is compared to the norm. If everything was great, that would be the new norm, making everything insignificant with another. People would lose interest in the Arts, and so the Arts would essentially cease to exist! What you see as a world full of artistic wonders, the rest of the world sees as a place where art would become insignificant.

Do you see what I'm saying here? A resolution like this would essentially kill the Arts over time, not promote it.

So... in order for there to be a wonderful piece of art, there must be a horrible piece of art? I dont know, Im still in support of this brilliant piece of legislation, I hope more people join in and regulate creativity. Creativity has gone rogue in our nation, this would solve it quite nicely. Government knows what creativity is ok for a secure and stable society. Plus I prefer a more equality between man. This legislation seems to recognize that. Just imagine, Masterpieces everywhere you look!

well done NDC

[Eraplevok]

You are beginning to weary us.

"True creativity" is not legislated or government controlled. That is crap. Your proposal is crap. You have been told by many delegates here just how bad it is, just what the problems are, how they might be corrected, what can stay and what can go....

and you persist with your nonsensical arguments.

Should you ever decide to put forth a proposal worth consideration, get back to us. As for this bit of dreck, we are finished debating with a wall.

No one has told the honored ambassador how to correct it, not that it needs correcting. No one has suggested what can go in or go either, except well... the whole thing which is hardly productive. Everybody just says what a stupid idea this was, even though its brilliant. I dont see any nonsensical arguments made by the author. He goes on the defensive and stays stubborn because you immediately attack.

[Grays Harbor]

That your standards as to what is "brilliant" are so low is what is alarming. Dreck called "brilliant" by a single person is still dreck when condemned by everybody else as just that, dreck.

Please explain to us what is "brilliant" about this, beyond your mindless parroting of how "brilliant" it is?

[Eraplevok]

That your standards as to what is "brilliant" are so low is what is alarming. Dreck called "brilliant" by a single person is still dreck when condemned by everybody else as just that, dreck.

Please explain to us what is "brilliant" about this, beyond your mindless parroting of how "brilliant" it is?

geeze buddy, you just go around insulting everybody that disagrees with ya. Im sorry I just cant talk to ya when you have this tone with me

[Joshuahood]

OOC to both the author and Eraplevok: People make threads like these so that other people can help them fix their draft, for people to help the WA and mods to keep stupid or illegal proposals out of the proposal area. We have tried to convince the author that this proposal, as it stands, is too narrow and a waste of time, as it currently stands. If you are only going to support this "grand piece of legislation" because you were given a hard time by the people trying to help you/save you from the humiliation of having your proposals laughed at in the "Silly GA Proposals" thread, then I would strongly advise against this. Think of how a proposal would effect your nation (i.e. everyone speaking in rhyme) before supporting it, if you are only supporting it because of a grudge. If you are actually supporting it, look at it. It basically says that poems such as the Illiad or Odyssey are not works of art, and therefroe must be destroyed. It is not the furtherment of art and creativity if such great works are destroyed, and people are discouraged from making works of art that the government deems is not art. Imagine living in a world like this: where art is destroyed and hindered because someone has decided that art should be a certain way.

Art is in the eye of the beholder: what one person sees as a pile of trash another could see as a work of art. That pile of trash would be destroyed because someone has decided that it is not "true" art. I've seen pictures of where artists go into a landfill or scrapyard, come out with a handful of trash, and turn it into some pretty cool, interesting art figures. You can still tell what the different trash pieces were, but together, they are no longer trash to some people. If you take away unrhyming poetry, what many call one of the greatest epic poems, the Illiad and Odyssey, would not be "true" art, because someone decided that "true" artistic poetry has to rhyme. Two great works, gone. That is what this proposal will do if it passes. This "grand piece of legislature," as you put it, will sacrifice creativity for children who speak in rhyme, what the author calls, to paraphrase, true creativity among everyone. Governments wouldn't treat everyone fairly just because everyone can speak in rhyme! There are many other reasons people would discriminate against other people besides their level of creativity, such as race, gender, or even their skill level in other subjects besides the Arts. What's next, legislating that some forms of math, such as algebra or calculus, are to be forgotten so that everyone will learn basic math so that EVERYONE will be at the same math level, sacrificing necessary skills for construction? Or everyone will only learn physics and not chemistry or biology so that everyone is equal in their skills in physics? How about disregarding soccer and basketball so that everyone will have the same skill level in baseball? If everyone were at the same skill level in the Arts, then great paintings would be everywhere, in which case there would be no great paintings because there are no bad paintings to make the great paintings great. What makes one thing great, or rich, or special, is how it is compared to the norm. If everything was great, that would be the new norm, making everything insignificant with another. People would lose interest in the Arts, and so the Arts would essentially cease to exist! What you see as a world full of artistic wonders, the rest of the world sees as a place where art would become insignificant.

Do you see what I'm saying here? A resolution like this would essentially kill the Arts over time, not promote it.

So... in order for there to be a wonderful piece of art, there must be a horrible piece of art? I dont know, Im still in support of this brilliant piece of legislation, I hope more people join in and regulate creativity. Creativity has gone rogue in our nation, this would solve it quite nicely. Government knows what creativity is ok for a secure and stable society. Plus I prefer a more equality between man. This legislation seems to recognize that. Just imagine, Masterpieces everywhere you look!

well done NDC

Let's say that eveyone in the entire world had 10 billion dollars, which is extremely rich compared to before they had the $10 billion. Now, if everyone had that much money, who would be rich? Answer: no one.

Determining who is rich can only be done when compared to those who have less than them. If everyone had the same amount of money, no one would be rich. Everyone would have the same amount of money, so no one has more compared to others.

The same thing is with the Arts: if everything is a masterpiece, then nothing is because it is a great as everything else. What determines a masterpiece? Comparison with pieces that aren't as good.

A world of masterpieces is a world without masterpieces.

[Eraplevok]

Let's say that eveyone in the entire world had 10 billion dollars, which is extremely rich compared to before they had the $10 billion. Now, if everyone had that much money, who would be rich? Answer: no one.

Determining who is rich can only be done when compared to those who have less than them. If everyone had the same amount of money, no one would be rich. Everyone would have the same amount of money, so no one has more compared to others.

The same thing is with the Arts: if everything is a masterpiece, then nothing is because it is a great as everything else. What determines a masterpiece? Comparison with pieces that aren't as good.

A world of masterpieces is a world without masterpieces.

so if something is good, the one and only reason it is good is because something else is bad. A work of art can not be good on its own, it requires something to be bad first. Perhaps those bad works of art should be appreciated more because without them, nothing would be good.

then If everything was equal, nothing would be bad which is good.

[Grays Harbor]

That your standards as to what is "brilliant" are so low is what is alarming. Dreck called "brilliant" by a single person is still dreck when condemned by everybody else as just that, dreck.

Please explain to us what is "brilliant" about this, beyond your mindless parroting of how "brilliant" it is?

geeze buddy, you just go around insulting everybody that disagrees with ya. Im sorry I just cant talk to ya when you have this tone with me

Translation: "I have no reason for it other than because my own proposals were locked as being silly, I want to say other equally silly proposals are good despite ample evidence to the contrary."

[Linux and the X]

As an author (preparing my latest novel for publication), this proposal, to put it vulgarly, pisses me the fuck off. One cannot put rules to creativity. To do so would sifle the very purpose of creativity, which is to put one's thoughts and ideas in the expressive form possible. Sometimes, this means breaking the rules, either as part of the expression or because the rules prevent full expression.

[Bears Armed]

World Assembly
Resolution for education creativity and the arts

A resolution to make the world more poetic

Realizes there are literary works of art in existance that does not rhyme that are considered poems.

Defines a poem as a literary work of art that rhymes and has rhythm

Hereby decrees that all poems henceforth shall rhyme and have rhythm

All literary works of art that do not rhyme that were considered a poem before shall now be recognized as uncreative and burned.

All literary works of art that do not have to rhyme include:

1) Novels
2) News, scientific, and editorial Articles
3) skits
4) short essays
5) Resolutions

All childrens books must rhyme and have rhythm, or risk being burned

All music with lyrics must rhyme and have rhythm, or at least show effort in rhyming

All speeches must have rhyme and rhythm, If not, it will be considered jibberish and unprofessional

This Resolution hereby creates the Creative Rhymes and Educational Arts Tribunal and Entourage (CREATE) to force those involved with public education, to teach and learn to rhyme, among other literary devices, on excessive levels, to the point where the students can't help but rhyme and be poetic.

CREATE shall also Destroy all works of art that were once considered poems that do not rhyme or have no rhythm

CREATE shall also determine what literary works of art are essential for society, works of art that are not essential shall be destroyed in a ritualistic and poetic way to teach students proper irony and poetic justice

CREATE shall never hinder anyones desire to destroy "poems" that do not rhyme or have no rhythm

CREATE shall have all power over creativity

The emblem of CREATE shall be a Red Star

CREATE will take care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

They are the CREATE
Their great computers fill the hallowed halls
They are the CREATE
All the gifts of life are held within their walls

Look around this world CREATE has made
Equality their stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

CREATE will hold the values of the WA dear, its only motive is to mold a world with true creativity

well, there ya have it, can I submit this or what?

"Compulsory rhyming?!?
Do you think that we're all a bunch of Ruperts?!?
"Opposed."

[Pythria]

CREATE shall Destroy

We support this proposal for its own self-destructive irony.

[Quadrimmina]

The Republic of Quadrimmina has consulted the winner of the Ministry of Education's Teacher of the Year award. She condemns this resolution due to the inherent grammatical flaws. However, we do support the following phrase becoming the new motto of the WA.

CREATE shall Destroy

[Flibbleites]

I'd say this in rhyme, but I really don't have the time. You can not force creativity which is what this proposal tries to do, opposed.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Sweden III]

The Dictatorship of Sweden III is very supportive of this resolution. We have been meaning to establish our own law on the regulation and improvement of creativity, however we didn't have the superior intellect required to actually figure out the best way to do it. In regards to opposition to this resolution, I believe that the problem here is that they don't fully understand what you mean, exactly, by creativity. You meantioned rhyme and the arts, but I think you need to add a very specific and confusing definition to creativity. If people had this, then I think that you would have full support from the whole world.

[Grays Harbor]

The Dictatorship of Sweden III is very supportive of this resolution. We have been meaning to establish our own law on the regulation and improvement of creativity, however we didn't have the superior intellect required to actually figure out the best way to do it. In regards to opposition to this resolution, I believe that the problem here is that they don't fully understand what you mean, exactly, by creativity. You meantioned rhyme and the arts, but I think you need to add a very specific and confusing definition to creativity. If people had this, then I think that you would have full support from the whole world.

Lets see...

Brand New nation - CHECK
First and only post is in favour of a silly proposal - CHECK
Sopports the most bizarre portions of the proposal - CHECK


Hmmm do I smell a North Davku Company or Eraplevok PUPPET?

[Bergnovinaia]

The Dictatorship of Sweden III is very supportive of this resolution. We have been meaning to establish our own law on the regulation and improvement of creativity, however we didn't have the superior intellect required to actually figure out the best way to do it. In regards to opposition to this resolution, I believe that the problem here is that they don't fully understand what you mean, exactly, by creativity. You meantioned rhyme and the arts, but I think you need to add a very specific and confusing definition to creativity. If people had this, then I think that you would have full support from the whole world.

Lets see...

Brand New nation - CHECK
First and only post is in favour of a silly proposal - CHECK
Sopports the most bizarre portions of the proposal - CHECK


Hmmm do I smell a North Davku Company or Eraplevok PUPPET?

Hahaha... I don't think he mispelled support, your excellency.

[North Davku Company]

Ambassadors please! let us stay on topic here - the regulation and improvement of creativity.

Sweden III had an excellent suggestion with the addition of a specific and confusing definition of creativity to the proposal. This can easily be done. Do all of you agree that this addition will help you understand the necessity of improving creativity by law?