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[DRAFT] True Creativity Act

Postby North Davku Company » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:59 pm

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Resolution for education creativity and the arts

A resolution to make the world more poetic

Realizes there are literary works of art in existance that does not rhyme that are considered poems.

Defines a poem as a literary work of art that rhymes and has rhythm

Hereby decrees that all poems henceforth shall rhyme and have rhythm

All literary works of art that do not rhyme that were considered a poem before shall now be recognized as uncreative and burned.

All literary works of art that do not have to rhyme include:

1) Novels
2) News, scientific, and editorial Articles
3) skits
4) short essays
5) Resolutions

All childrens books must rhyme and have rhythm, or risk being burned

All music with lyrics must rhyme and have rhythm, or at least show effort in rhyming

All speeches must have rhyme and rhythm, If not, it will be considered jibberish and unprofessional

This Resolution hereby creates the Creative Rhymes and Educational Arts Tribunal and Entourage (CREATE) to force those involved with public education, to teach and learn to rhyme, among other literary devices, on excessive levels, to the point where the students can't help but rhyme and be poetic.

CREATE shall also Destroy all works of art that were once considered poems that do not rhyme or have no rhythm

CREATE shall also determine what literary works of art are essential for society, works of art that are not essential shall be destroyed in a ritualistic and poetic way to teach students proper irony and poetic justice

CREATE shall never hinder anyones desire to destroy "poems" that do not rhyme or have no rhythm

CREATE shall have all power over creativity

The emblem of CREATE shall be a Red Star

CREATE will take care of everything
The words you hear the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

They are the CREATE
Their great computers fill the hallowed halls
They are the CREATE
All the gifts of life are held within their walls

Look around this world CREATE has made
Equality their stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

CREATE will hold the values of the WA dear, its only motive is to mold a world with true creativity

well, there ya have it, can I submit this or what?
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:20 pm

Dear Sir(s) and/or Madam(s),

After furious debate, the Bergnovinaian WA Mission has decided to issue the following reponse:

"What? Why? Who? Huh?"

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Postby Enn » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:23 pm

OOC: In English, rhyme wasn't considered as part of poetry before the Norman invasion. Instead, poetry focused on alliteration and syllable patterns. Beowulf, for instance, the greatest example of literature in Old English, does not contain rhyme as a major feature.

Ancient and Classical Greek did not use rhyme to any great degree, the poetry there mainly being based on syllable patterns. So there goes the Iliad and the Odyssey. Similarly for the Aeniad, in Latin.

You are aware you've just advocated the destruction of several of the greatest works of poetry ever made, right?
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Postby Auremena » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:31 pm

1. What the fuck are you thinking?
2. Fascist. Only they would burn books.
3. What the fuck are you thinking?
4. All poems don't rhyme. The Odyssey? It's an epic poem, it counts. There are countless others.
5. I don't know which is worse, this one, or the toothpaste one.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:04 pm

In my family, it is considered polite that if you should have nothing good to say about something, then say nothing at all.....







....... and thats what I think of this draft proposal.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:35 am

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What the hell was he thinking

He abandoned the plea for support which he sought
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Postby Embolalia » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:49 am

Freeoplis wrote:There once was a Nation who thought
That it would be very wise to talk

However after a second inkling
What the hell was he thinking

He abandoned the plea for support which he sought

Yikes. Your meter is way off. Take a look at these.
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Postby Joshuahood » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:13 am

A nation who wrote,
A proposal of fascist,
Was not classiest




North Davku Company decided
"All poems shall rhyme," he confided
Proposed to us all,
It will surely fall,
Opposing delegation fried it.




Morals:

This proposal is fascism to Joshuahood, and it is not appealing to us.
This proposal will be struck down by opposing delegation (us) soon if it is not drastically changed.
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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:30 am

anybody support this resolution for the advancement of creativity and education?

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Postby Joshuahood » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:33 am

North Davku Company wrote:anybody support this resolution for the advancement of creativity and education?

No. This isn't an advancement of creativity and education. This is a hindrance.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:35 am

North Davku Company wrote:anybody support this resolution for the advancement of creativity and education?


No support from our delegation, sorry. We believe, and we say this with the utmost sincerity, that this proposal is pointless twaddle.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:41 am

I'm sorry honoured ambassador but establishing a committee just for poems doesn't seem to be significant enough for international consideration. The scope appears to be a bit too narrow.

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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:54 am

hinderance? Sir, CREATE will fine tune all children to speak in rhyme. Is it possible to attain a higher level of creativity? All children will be masters of language. Communication would be taken to a higher degree. It would force creativity and art. It would start a new age greater than that of the Renanissancete age in nation of Itlanity.

Hinderance? I think not

This is most certainly not a worthless proposal. Is the WA not at all concerned about childrens education?

CREATE is not limited to poems, CREATE deals with all works of art

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:14 pm

North Davku Company wrote:hinderance? Sir, CREATE will fine tune all children to speak in rhyme. Is it possible to attain a higher level of creativity? All children will be masters of language. Communication would be taken to a higher degree. It would force creativity and art. It would start a new age greater than that of the Renanissancete age in nation of Itlanity.

Hinderance? I think not

This is most certainly not a worthless proposal. Is the WA not at all concerned about childrens education?

CREATE is not limited to poems, CREATE deals with all works of art


Seriously? Oh, you must be joking. To try and equate "Don't care about children" with non-support of this bit of fluff masquerading as a draft proposal? That is what is known colloquially in my nation as "reaching" or perhaps “hyperbole”. That argument “But It’s For The CHILDREN!” is so overused as to be a joke.

There is no point to this proposal except to create yet another AUC, and to try and regulate the arts, something which is so counter-productive and pointless as to be the equivelent of pasting wings on sheep and expecting them to fly.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:25 pm

All speeches must have rhyme and rhythm, If no rhythm or rhyme, it will be considered jibberish and unprofessional

This is clearly a hinderance, it wold be time consuming and unnecessary.
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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:43 pm

Why would the WA have a category specifically for education and creativity if "what about the children" is a joke? This proposal concerns itself with all nation's education systems and the arts, no matter what stage in life that individual is at. Perhaps I should say - is the WA not at all concerned about an individuals education?

Why the word "regulate"? Its more like - improve

I don't see the connection with pasting wings on a sheep and improving creativity and education for all. CREATE will force all to learn to think, speak, write, etc... in rhyme. Humanely of course...

Little cost. All members of CREATE will be paid a decent wage. The only thing that will change in education is the language curriculum of students. It costs little to start a fire. Just read CREATE's poem, it is a force of good - improving the lives of all

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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:49 pm

Freeoplis wrote:
All speeches must have rhyme and rhythm, If no rhythm or rhyme, it will be considered jibberish and unprofessional

This is clearly a hinderance, it wold be time consuming and unnecessary.


Time consuming? What do you mean? All things take time

Unnecessary? What do you mean? Soon you will say an extensive vocabulary is unnecessary, soon you will say Language class is unnecessary.

Hinderance? What do you mean? CREATE is not limiting what the speaker is getting across. It affects how one says it, which will be a more poetic way. Is that not better? Its an improvement

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Postby Joshuahood » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:58 pm

North Davku Company wrote:hinderance? Sir, CREATE will fine tune all children to speak in rhyme. Is it possible to attain a higher level of creativity? All children will be masters of language. Communication would be taken to a higher degree. It would force creativity and art. It would start a new age greater than that of the Renanissancete age in nation of Itlanity.

Hinderance? I think not

This is most certainly not a worthless proposal. Is the WA not at all concerned about childrens education?

CREATE is not limited to poems, CREATE deals with all works of art


It will be a hindrance to art because some of the greatest works of art will be forced to be burned.

If we fine-tune all children to speak in rhyme, how will they fair in other classes besides language arts? "Two plus two equals four" does not rhyme. How will they say their national motto that doesn't rhyme? Their pledge of allegiance? Or are those to be discarded and burned? How will they say "Hey, I'm open!" in gym class?

Communication will be hindered in that WA nation children will not be able to speak to non- WA children out of rhyme. They may be masters of language, but no one outside of the WA would understand them.

Art is not art if it is forced. Forcing everything to rhyme does not necessarily constitute art.

I am sorry, honored ambassador, but your logic is flawed. We will, in no way, support this proposal the way it currently stands.
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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:25 pm

Joshuahood wrote:
It will be a hindrance to art because some of the greatest works of art will be forced to be burned.

If we fine-tune all children to speak in rhyme, how will they fair in other classes besides language arts? "Two plus two equals four" does not rhyme. How will they say their national motto that doesn't rhyme? Their pledge of allegiance? Or are those to be discarded and burned? How will they say "Hey, I'm open!" in gym class?

Communication will be hindered in that WA nation children will not be able to speak to non- WA children out of rhyme. They may be masters of language, but no one outside of the WA would understand them.

Art is not art if it is forced. Forcing everything to rhyme does not necessarily constitute art.

I am sorry, honored ambassador, but your logic is flawed. We will, in no way, support this proposal the way it currently stands.


What do you call the greatest works of art?

You can't think of a word that rhymes with four or open?

Works of art that do not have to rhyme include Novels, essays, skits, articles, resolutions. You dont have to rhyme if it is not a work of art. But CREATE will ensure that students rhyme subconsciously regardless.

So a master of language can not communicate to someone, thats odd. No one outside the WA understands art, creativity, and rhyme? That argument is confusing to me.
Or are you acknowleging the CREATE will make WA nations more proficent in language?

Sure it is. In class, a professor might tell an individual to write a sonnet. It's forced, but the sonnet is still art. How does something that rhymes not constitute as art?

You don't have to apologize, I know you mean well. its okay to be afraid of change, I understand.

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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:30 pm

Enn wrote:OOC: In English, rhyme wasn't considered as part of poetry before the Norman invasion. Instead, poetry focused on alliteration and syllable patterns. Beowulf, for instance, the greatest example of literature in Old English, does not contain rhyme as a major feature.

Ancient and Classical Greek did not use rhyme to any great degree, the poetry there mainly being based on syllable patterns. So there goes the Iliad and the Odyssey. Similarly for the Aeniad, in Latin.

You are aware you've just advocated the destruction of several of the greatest works of poetry ever made, right?


It doesnt rhyme in the languages they were written in? huh, I guess CREATE will rightfully burn em.

CREATE will focus on alliteration and syllable patterns as well, any literary device
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Postby Joshuahood » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:23 pm

North Davku Company wrote:
Joshuahood wrote:
It will be a hindrance to art because some of the greatest works of art will be forced to be burned.

If we fine-tune all children to speak in rhyme, how will they fair in other classes besides language arts? "Two plus two equals four" does not rhyme. How will they say their national motto that doesn't rhyme? Their pledge of allegiance? Or are those to be discarded and burned? How will they say "Hey, I'm open!" in gym class?

Communication will be hindered in that WA nation children will not be able to speak to non- WA children out of rhyme. They may be masters of language, but no one outside of the WA would understand them.

Art is not art if it is forced. Forcing everything to rhyme does not necessarily constitute art.

I am sorry, honored ambassador, but your logic is flawed. We will, in no way, support this proposal the way it currently stands.


What do you call the greatest works of art?

You can't think of a word that rhymes with four or open?

Works of art that do not have to rhyme include Novels, essays, skits, articles, resolutions. You dont have to rhyme if it is not a work of art. But CREATE will ensure that students rhyme subconsciously regardless.

So a master of language can not communicate to someone, thats odd. No one outside the WA understands art, creativity, and rhyme? That argument is confusing to me.
Or are you acknowleging the CREATE will make WA nations more proficent in language?

Sure it is. In class, a professor might tell an individual to write a sonnet. It's forced, but the sonnet is still art. How does something that rhymes not constitute as art?

You don't have to apologize, I know you mean well. its okay to be afraid of change, I understand.


What I call the greatest works of art is the Illiad and the Odyssey. In this proposal, all poems that do not rhyme are to be burned. The Illiad and Odyssey are epic poems. Therefore, they will have to be burned.

It is impractical to rhyme in math class.

Why would students even need to rhyme? What's wrong with talking normally?

Just because you can talk in rhyme does not mean that you are a master of language. Others who do not talk in rhyme will have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say. CREATE would probably throw many things out, such as trade or declarations of war, with non WA member states.

Think of how annoying it would be if all you heard from someone was them speaking in rhyme when you don't.

Time and rhyme rhyme. Does that make me an artist for saying that? Does that make all words that rhyme an art? Art does not come from instruction or demand. It comes from the artist's mind, on their own.

Joshuahood is not afraid of change, in fact, we are changing rapidly, being such an advanced nation. We do not sanction the idea that non- rhyming poems will be forced to be burned because it is not considered art. YOU, however, are afraid of the failure of your proposal. Submitting a draft to the forums is for you to take suggestions and change your draft to make it better. You have yet to do any of that, and have instead fought for it and ignored suggestions when it has been completely rejected by many honored ambassadors from successful WA nations, a few being Charlotte Ryberg and Grays Harbor.

Go ahead and submit it as it is. I guarentee, it will not reach quorum.

Good day, ambassador.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:49 pm

North Davku Company wrote: Why would the WA have a category specifically for education and creativity if "what about the children" is a joke? This proposal concerns itself with all nation's education systems and the arts, no matter what stage in life that individual is at. Perhaps I should say - is the WA not at all concerned about an individuals education?

Why the word "regulate"? Its more like - improve

I don't see the connection with pasting wings on a sheep and improving creativity and education for all. CREATE will force all to learn to think, speak, write, etc... in rhyme. Humanely of course...

Little cost. All members of CREATE will be paid a decent wage. The only thing that will change in education is the language curriculum of students. It costs little to start a fire. Just read CREATE's poem, it is a force of good - improving the lives of all


1.) Q: Why would the WA have a category specifically for education and creativity if "what about the children" is a joke?
A: Because the Education category was not created specifically "for the children". Try actually reading what it is about before making such a patently dim statement.


2.) Q: I don't see the connection with pasting wings on a sheep and improving creativity and education for all. CREATE will force all to learn to think, speak, write, etc... in rhyme.
A: No. "Create' would not do any such thing. You are trying to LEGISLATE what "creativity" is. That is a non-starter. You cannot legislate creativity any more than you can legislate sheep to fly.


3.) Q: The only thing that will change in education is the language curriculum of students.
A: BINGO! Do Not presume to legislate the curricullum of every school in every WA nation using your own narrow and narrow-minded definition of what "creativity" is.
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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:08 pm

Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:11 pm

North Davku Company wrote:Alright what should be changed about this wonderful piece of legislation?


That the title be altered from

DRAFT - CREATE

to

WITHDRAWN - CREATE

and that this waste of time and energy be dropped immediatly
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Postby North Davku Company » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:20 pm

Sorry, can't do that yet

Creativity can easily be legislated and enforced. What is so difficult about it?

This proposal improves the creativity that already comes from man's minds. A truer creativity.

CREATE shall have the authority to determine what is art and what is not. CREATE will communicate to students what is acceptable creativity and force it in their minds. I know it sounds utopian, but I assure you it is absolutely feasible.
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