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North Korea and China
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Outlaw smoking

Postby North Korea and China » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:15 pm

We should draft a piece of legislation to outlaw smoking and introduce the e-cigar(ette) to rid the world of smoking, getting rid of many ailments that pose problems for families
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Atheists Led by Chris
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Postby Atheists Led by Chris » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:40 pm

1: E-Cigs are worse than real cigs. Why do you think the FDA had banned them for so long. It wasn't until a judge said they couldn't ban them.
2: You need to state why you think they should be banned. Here is an example of how it should look like. (Also if you use the following list me as co-author.)

Outlaw Smoking
Category: Health
Strength: Mild
Author: North Korea and China
Co-Author: Atheists Led By Chris

NOTICES that cigarettes and other similar products causes numerous health problems.

ALSO NOTICES that some major health problems induced by these products cause lung cancer and asthma both serious diseases.

APPALLED at all the lives and money lost by these products.

ALSO APPALLED that they are targeting children for these products in some places.

NOTING some people smoke without knowing the risks that are involved.

ASSERTS that an ingredient in these products, Nicotine, is highly addictive and can make quitting almost impossible.

NOTICES that smokers aren't the only people affected, because second hand smoke can also cause diseases especially in young children.

BELIEVES that cigarettes and similar products do much more harm to the society than what is beneficial to the economy.

RESOLVES that cigarettes and similar products should be banned due to the health problems induced onto the user and people around them.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:46 pm

The honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg does not think that smoking should be entirely banned, but it would be worth considering whether to mandate health warnings in cigarette packages. However, I note that the issue of the right to smoke may be considered too small for international consideration.

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Postby Freeoplis » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:24 pm

This we feel is too extreme, a more moderate approach to the issue of protecting families would have more chance of success.
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Postby RussianSuffering » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:39 pm

Smoking is a drain on modern society. It killes more people and does more damage that any other drug (accept alcohol). If smoking is not to be removed totally, restrictions need to be made that concer adavertising as well as marketing and sponsering. As you might know, certain EX-british colonies such as Australlia and New-Zealand have indiginous populations that have exploited the drug, over used it and it is sucking away their wealth as well as their respect.
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Postby Quadrimmina » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:46 pm

The Republic of Quadrimmina deals with smoking by denying access to our national health system to anyone who purchases cigarettes without paying a considerable fee. We do not need such legislation.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:55 pm

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Quadrimmina wrote:The Republic of Quadrimmina deals with smoking by denying access to our national health system to anyone who purchases cigarettes without paying a considerable fee. We do not need such legislation.

That is another assertive option.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:09 pm

We have two points here; The first being that a total ban on smoking is something we shall never support in any form. Second, what does the poll have bugger all to do with banning smoking?
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:12 pm

No, absolutely not! While I do favour the ban of smoing in places where it can cause bigger problems, like public places, but it should not be banned outright.

OOC: You poll there is completely irrevelant to this.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:13 pm

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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:14 pm

RussianSuffering wrote:Smoking is a drain on modern society. It killes more people and does more damage that any other drug (accept alcohol). If smoking is not to be removed totally, restrictions need to be made that concer adavertising as well as marketing and sponsering. As you might know, certain EX-british colonies such as Australlia and New-Zealand have indiginous populations that have exploited the drug, over used it and it is sucking away their wealth as well as their respect.

Yes, but that'll drin the government's money and thus, the people's. A better idea is to encourage companies to make advertisements about damgers of smoking. Isn't that much better?
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Postby Meldaria » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:26 pm

Sungai Pusat wrote:No, absolutely not! While I do favour the ban of smoing in places where it can cause bigger problems, like public places, but it should not be banned outright.

OOC: You poll there is completely irrevelant to this.

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Postby Enn » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:34 pm

Meldaria wrote:
Sungai Pusat wrote:No, absolutely not! While I do favour the ban of smoing in places where it can cause bigger problems, like public places, but it should not be banned outright.

OOC: You poll there is completely irrevelant to this.

Tag unnecessary, this isn't necessarily an IC thread...

OOC: We're in the GA. It's assumed that posts are IC unless otherwise marked.
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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:50 am

From my cold, dead hands, you bastards.

Furthermore, I know I've been out on an extremely extended vacation, but I really don't remember a "Health" category. Has one been added? Also, if it does, I would say that a complete and utter ban without exception is more than just "mild". Especially with the insanely broad qualifier of "similar products".


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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:30 am

Banning smoking will not stop people smoking, it merely would push it into the back market like other illegal drugs, why not permit it and reap the taxes placed upon it, we would therefore oppose such a proposal on this basis.
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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:50 pm

Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

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Postby Quadrimmina » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:53 pm

Flibbleites wrote:Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

Bob Flibble
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Because, honored Ambassador Flibble, the honorable delegate from North Korea And China has proposed a resolution on it. A proposal I hope will soon be withdrawn.
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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:57 pm

Quadrimmina wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

Bob Flibble
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Because, honored Ambassador Flibble, the honorable delegate from North Korea And China has proposed a resolution on it. A proposal I hope will soon be withdrawn.

And why should it be determined on an international level? Surely there can't be a dense enough concentration of smokers anywhere to be able to cause it to be a problem internationally.

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Postby Quadrimmina » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:01 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Quadrimmina wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

Bob Flibble
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Because, honored Ambassador Flibble, the honorable delegate from North Korea And China has proposed a resolution on it. A proposal I hope will soon be withdrawn.

And why should it be determined on an international level? Surely there can't be a dense enough concentration of smokers anywhere to be able to cause it to be a problem internationally.

Bob Flibble
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I never said that sir. Nor did I ever say that I supported this resolution. I said it should be withdrawan.

You asked why it is being considered on an international level. Well, the reason is that theres a resolution up for debate. There is no other valid reason.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:30 pm

Quadrimmina wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

Bob Flibble
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Because, honored Ambassador Flibble, the honorable delegate from North Korea And China has proposed a resolution on it. A proposal I hope will soon be withdrawn.


By that logic, we could propose that all outhouse doors open from top hinges, and would that make it "international", just because somebody proposed it?
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Postby Quadrimmina » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:37 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Quadrimmina wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:Why is whether or not people are allowed to smoke being considered on an international level?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Because, honored Ambassador Flibble, the honorable delegate from North Korea And China has proposed a resolution on it. A proposal I hope will soon be withdrawn.


By that logic, we could propose that all outhouse doors open from top hinges, and would that make it "international", just because somebody proposed it?

It's an international issue because someone proposed it and started a debate. Our nation's position is that it's not something that the WA should decide, but that's not the same as saying that it is not an international issue. It is one as long as the resolution is there.
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Postby Bamabam » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:43 pm

if someone wants to smoke let them smoke,they are only hurting themselves

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:57 pm

I remember trying something like this, a long time ago. Of course, I took a much different approach, but it was still an unpopular idea nonetheless.
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