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[WITHDRAWN] Incandescent Bulb Banning Act of 2010

Postby Minethings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:41 pm

Incandescent Bulb Banning Act of 2010

Category: Environmental | Strength: Significant | Proposed by: Minethings

Recognizing that incandescent bulbs waste energy, by using 90% of energy given for heat, instead of light.

Further Recognizing that alternatives use much less energy, and last much longer than incandescent bulbs.

Noting that incandescent bulbs unnecessarily waste energy, and money that can be saved through the use of energy efficient alternatives such as fluorescent bulbs.

Showing Concern for the number of incandescent bulbs sold each year.

Affirming that it is necessary, under the law, that incandescent bulbs be banned.

Hereby Establishing that:

a: Incandescent bulbs be banned from being produced, sold, or used.
b: Alternative, energy efficient, bulbs such as fluorescent bulbs be used in the place of incandescent bulbs.
c: Funding come directly from WA Member Nations.
d: The WA provide the technology for fluorescent bulbs to all nations without it.

Defines energy efficient alternatives as using less energy than incandescent bulbs, while producing the same amount of light.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:45 pm

I'm pretty sure this could be illegal for a variety of reasons... one, a RL reference. Two, depending on a nations tech status, they may not even have lights or they may have found a much better light source alternative.

Just my thoughts.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:46 pm

What if a Nation does not have fluorescent bulb technology in order to meet the necessary replacements?
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:49 pm

Even if not illegal, member states may complain of the fact that incandescent bulbs do not cause climate change in their nation, or that fluorescent bulbs are inferior to such. Some member states may be simply happy with what they've got. We think 100Ws should remain on sale for the household only.

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Postby Minethings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:54 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Even if not illegal, member states may complain of the fact that incandescent bulbs do not cause climate change in their nation, or that fluorescent bulbs are inferior to such. Some member states may be simply happy with what they've got. We think 100Ws should remain on sale for the household only.

It's not about climate change, it's about energy usage. Energy is wasted by using incandescent. and I do not see how fluorescent bulbs could be considered inferior.

Freeoplis wrote:What if a Nation does not have fluorescent bulb technology in order to meet the necessary replacements?

The technology could be provided. Do you think I should add something stating that?

Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm pretty sure this could be illegal for a variety of reasons... one, a RL reference. Two, depending on a nations tech status, they may not even have lights or they may have found a much better light source alternative.

Just my thoughts.

Technology for lights could be provided. Not a RL reference, most nations in this game use lights.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:57 pm

Minethings wrote:
Freeoplis wrote:What if a Nation does not have fluorescent bulb technology in order to meet the necessary replacements?

The technology could be provided. Do you think I should add something stating that?

Yeap that would be essential as practically Nations may not have the technology, either the technology is shared by other WA Nations or the bulbs are provided low cost to Nations.
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Postby Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:00 pm

We are afraid that this resolution sets a frightening precedent. If the WA is allowed to tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use, where will it end? This is a slippery slope to this kind of proposal:

The Red Pen Banning Act of Later in 2010

THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,

UNDERSTANDING that teachers using red pens to mark off students' papers is very hurtful to the students and is a waste of red, because of the high number of these pens that are used.

HOPING to eliminate such vile colored pens, which serve no other purpose than as previously stated.

HEREBY bans the manufacture, sale, and use of red pens.
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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:03 pm

Quadrimmina wrote:We are afraid that this resolution sets a frightening precedent. If the WA is allowed to tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use, where will it end?

We foresee . . . probably in a bottle of whiskey and a strip bar . . .. oh the endless bureaucracy :-)
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Quadrimmina wrote:We are afraid that this resolution sets a frightening precedent. If the WA is allowed to tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use, where will it end? This is a slippery slope to this kind of proposal:

The Red Pen Banning Act of Later in 2010

THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,

UNDERSTANDING that teachers using red pens to mark off students' papers is very hurtful to the students and is a waste of red, because of the high number of these pens that are used.

HOPING to eliminate such vile colored pens, which serve no other purpose than as previously stated.

HEREBY bans the manufacture, sale, and use of red pens.

The proposal doesn't tell you what light bulb to use, it just tells you to use bulbs that are more energy efficient then incandescent bulbs.
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:28 pm

Minethings wrote:-snip-


Our reaction:

"What the fucking hell!?!?!"

Our statement:

We are IntFeds, but this is pathetic.

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Minethings wrote:The proposal doesn't tell you what light bulb to use, it just tells you to use bulbs that are more energy efficient then incandescent bulbs.


Should this piece of dreck ever see the light of the day, we shall switch from incandescent bulbs to lamps that burn whale and dolphin oil.

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Postby Quadrimmina » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:33 pm

Minethings wrote:
Quadrimmina wrote:We are afraid that this resolution sets a frightening precedent. If the WA is allowed to tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use, where will it end? This is a slippery slope to this kind of proposal:

The Red Pen Banning Act of Later in 2010

THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,

UNDERSTANDING that teachers using red pens to mark off students' papers is very hurtful to the students and is a waste of red, because of the high number of these pens that are used.

HOPING to eliminate such vile colored pens, which serve no other purpose than as previously stated.

HEREBY bans the manufacture, sale, and use of red pens.

The proposal doesn't tell you what light bulb to use, it just tells you to use bulbs that are more energy efficient then incandescent bulbs.


Understood, but it's a slippery slope. Maybe as part of more general legislation for more energy efficient changes. Try making a more omnibus package. Right now this is way too nitpicky. Does that make sense?
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Sionis Prioratus wrote:
Minethings wrote:The proposal doesn't tell you what light bulb to use, it just tells you to use bulbs that are more energy efficient then incandescent bulbs.


Should this piece of dreck ever see the light of the day, we shall switch from incandescent bulbs to lamps that burn whale and dolphin oil.

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Well do you have a suggestion to fix that, or do you believe this proposal just isn't going to work?
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Minethings wrote:or do you believe this proposal just isn't going to work?


This is the correct alternative, Your Excellency.

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Postby Freeoplis » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:42 pm

Minethings wrote:Well do you have a suggestion to fix that, or do you believe this proposal just isn't going to work?

This proposal we feel is too narrow, too specific, you need to address in our opinion the environmental issue head on and on a more wider basis for example deal with renewable energy usage, fossil fuel usage or even policy dealing with recycling, keep it general but target a major area of environmental policy, this may have more success.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:37 pm

Minethings wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Even if not illegal, member states may complain of the fact that incandescent bulbs do not cause climate change in their nation, or that fluorescent bulbs are inferior to such. Some member states may be simply happy with what they've got. We think 100Ws should remain on sale for the household only.

It's not about climate change, it's about energy usage. Energy is wasted by using incandescent. and I do not see how fluorescent bulbs could be considered inferior.

Nevertheless, the honoured ambassador from Charlotte Ryberg feels that such issue is too trivial to be considered at international level. Maybe with supra-regional organizations like the RL EU, but not at the international stage.

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:24 pm

Minethings wrote:It's not about climate change, it's about energy usage. Energy is wasted by using incandescent. and I do not see how fluorescent bulbs could be considered inferior.

I wonder how much additional energy will need to be used to clean up the mercury pollution in our air and water.

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Postby Nullarni » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:39 am

Ok. Having read through the thread I now understand you are not kidding, and are completely serious. I think that is a shame, because this would make a wonderful joke, and the punch line would be you submit it to see who would actually approve such a thing.

Anyway, here are my issues:

Why are you painting energy consumption as bad? This is the crux of your arguement, and I find it to be flawed. Electricity is a product that a factory (a power plant) makes and then sells to consumers. Its just like any other good that you find on the market.

Why do you think that individals would save money? Electricity is a utility, and utilities are remarkable for not following the basic supply and demand laws. Normally, as demand decreases, the price decreases. When you deal with utilities there is an optimum demand point. If you increase demand from that point the price goes up, but if you decrease the demand past a certain point the price once again goes up. You see, powerplants make a certain amount of energy with very little variance. If demand in the immediate area goes down, the extra electricity is bled off further out in the grid to make up for other powerplant's short fall. They pretty much make the same money. Now, if demand over the entire grid is decreased significantly, the powerplant may not be able to sell off its surplus. It is not selling its power and it cannot decrease production, so the power company is working at a loss. It has to increase the price of electricity just to break even. As demand falls, it needs to charge more money to keep up with its losses. Many governments practice "decoupling" to prevent this, which basically means the disassociating of sales from profit. This keeps prices pretty stable throughout the year, but even this will have its breaking point. Basically, I am saying that massive efforts to cut down on energy consumption leads to much higher energy cost, therefore cutting consumption may lead to spending more money. (Wow, I didn't mean to be so long winded on that.)

Why do you think that the WA should mandate its citizens to do things to save energy and money? Banning these lightbulbs would be remarkably similar to mandating all citizens get gastric banding so they don't consume and spend too much money on food. Its simply not your place to say, especially on the international scale. Besides, most economically sensitive nations want to increase consumption to help fuel a robust economy.

What alternative technology is promising enough to replace these light bulbs? As others have noted there is nothing that you can replace them with that doesn't have equally a bad or worse consequences. (OOC: ...In MT societies.)

Why do you think that WA members need to be subject to all the slightest whims of an enviromental theocrat?
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:10 am

Minethings wrote:The proposal doesn't tell you what light bulb to use, it just tells you to use bulbs that are more energy efficient then incandescent bulbs.


If that's the case then why the HELL does it that this in it?<<Emphasis mine>>

Minethings wrote:Hereby Establishing that:

a: Incandescent bulbs be banned from being produced, sold, or used.


If this silly piece of craptastic drivel doesn't say what lightbulb to use, then why in the hell doees it say that the USE of incandesent bulbs is BANNED?! Therefore, since this thing says that incandesant bulbs are banned form use and that the only other bulbs that can be used are flouresent bulbs, this this says that only flouresent blubs are the only ones THAT can be USED. Please get yer damn facts straight before I set them straight for ya.
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We understand the delegation of Minethings yearning to get a proposal out there, but holy hell!

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Philimbesi wrote:We understand the delegation of Minethings yearning to get a proposal out there, but holy hell!

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Oh stop bullying the delegation of Minethings... They worked hard on the proposal. Too bad it's not one an international community would accept.

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Neutonica wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:We understand the delegation of Minethings yearning to get a proposal out there, but holy hell!

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Oh stop bullying the delegation of Minethings... They worked hard on the proposal. Too bad it's not one an international community would accept.


The delegation from Philimbesi is not bullying, but pointing out the foolishness of this proposal. There is no shame in pointing out the truth.
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Nullarni wrote:
Neutonica wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:We understand the delegation of Minethings yearning to get a proposal out there, but holy hell!

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Oh stop bullying the delegation of Minethings... They worked hard on the proposal. Too bad it's not one an international community would accept.


The delegation from Philimbesi is not bullying, but pointing out the foolishness of this proposal. There is no shame in pointing out the truth.


Indeed. This is a place for leadership, not victimhood. And there is no greater wisdom than to admit one's shortcomings, which is what we are trying to point out. One can always improve.

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Postby Minethings » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:09 pm

Neutonica wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:We understand the delegation of Minethings yearning to get a proposal out there, but holy hell!

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Oh stop bullying the delegation of Minethings... They worked hard on the proposal. Too bad it's not one an international community would accept.

The problem is that Philimbesi is right, and although i formerly thought this was a good idea, after reading the arguments stated here, I've realized its not as great as I thought it was before.

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Postby Bahgum » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:38 pm

Somehow this seems dull....maybe it's not a bright idea......

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