[DRAFT] Juvenile Sexual Tourism Act

[Quadrimmina]

THIS WORLD ASSEMBLY,

APPALLED by those who travel outside of the boundaries of their home nation to engage in sexual relations with minors in areas with a lower age of sexual majority than their own nation.

HOPING to ensure that minors are protected from such persons, who subvert the laws of their own nation with regard to sexual majority.

HEREBY CRIMINALIZES the act of a World Assembly member nation citizen from traveling to another nation with the specific intent to engage in sexual relations with any person who is not considered to be above the age of sexual majority in said citizen's home nation, even if they are above the age of sexual majority in the nation where such relations occurred.

URGES nations to enforce this article and to assign punishments accordingly for citizens that travel outside of their nation to perform such acts.

[Bergnovinaia]

Um... what?

That's all I have to say on the subject, good day to you sir/madam.

(OOC: I really think that A) this is probably already covered and/or B) Most nations already do this.)

[Absolvability]

This is an interesting thought, and I wouldn't doubt some might fancy the idea of having this proposal passed-- or at least to reach quorom for some serious debate. In its current condition though I don't see that happening. Good Ambassador, the proposal simply lacks meat. It seems more like an arguement than a proposal. May I suggest refining it to a more professional level? Perhaps the topic is 'disgusting' to you... but is that really the word you want to use for this audience?

While at the same time hoping to assist you in creating a better proposal I must say that I disagree with the stance you've taken on this issue. Personally, I do not feel that it is morally correct to have sexual relations with one not of age. However this is not an institution to discuss personal feelings. These are politics, and making this ruling deals with far more than just the 'age of consent,' as it were.

We will be telling nations who allow 13 year olds (for example,) to engage in sexual relationships with adults that they are perverted... that they are wrong... that they are immoral. Are they? Perhaps they have shorter lifespans. Perhaps they mature physically faster than we do. Or perhaps they have some religious reason. It is not for us to tamper in anothers culture just because someone else in a faraway land may 'take advantage' of it.

I urge you, Ambassador, to set aside your personal feelings and objectively consider this: If the parents are accepting, the 'victim' is ready, and the culture is allowing-- then is there really a victim? Is it really a crime? What we consider to be the age of sexual maturity has been developed by our evolving culture. It is subjective, and it is our own personal paradigm. Do not impose that paradigm on others. Do not belittle another nation's culture. And-- if you do choose to punish your own citizen, be aware of the message it sends the rest of the world.

It is your right to make this law in your own nation, Ambassador. Kindly think twice before making it global.

[Sionis Prioratus]

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OOC: I did not read - yet - what you wrote, just passing by to say that "delighted" is too modest a word to express how happy I am that you're back, notwithstanding the limited availability you might have. And stay alive, for God's sake!

[Quelesh]

The esteemed Ambassador Veloci is absolutely correct. Nations with an age of sexual consent lower than that in Quadrimmina, or with no minimum age, have set the age where they have for a reason. In their culture, individuals are judged ready for sexual relations at an earlier point than they are in yours.

In addition, ages of sexual consent among WA member states vary widely. It may be 25 in nation A and 12 in nation B. Do you really mean that a citizen of nation A who travels to nation B, and while there has consensual sex with a 24-year-old (twice the age of consent in nation B), should be charged with a criminal offense under the laws of nation A, and, more to the point, that this Assembly should mandate that nation A charge its citizen with a crime, even though this Assembly sees no need to prevent nation B from setting its age of consent at 12? (Keep in mind that nation A and nation B may have radically different lifespans, rates of physical and emotional maturation, societal expectations regarding sexuality, acceptance of children and youth into adult society, etc.)

If you do insist on pursuing this proposal, though, I would urge you to not mention a specific age. Nations in the WA (and in the entire world for that matter, since this proposal would affect the ability of member states' citizens to travel to non-member states and engage in acts that are legal in those non-member states) have wildly varying laws, cultures, maturation rates, and indeed even different species. This is why such resolutions as Restrictions on Child Labor, Sexual Privacy Act, Child Protection, etc., did not mention specific ages.

[Neutonica]

If you do insist on pursuing this proposal, though, I would urge you to not mention a specific age.

Not mentioning a specific age would make this resolution extremely difficult to pass, given the aforementioned differing ages of consent.

[Quelesh]

If you do insist on pursuing this proposal, though, I would urge you to not mention a specific age.

Not mentioning a specific age would make this resolution extremely difficult to pass, given the aforementioned differing ages of consent.

No specific mention of age is necessary, since the author seems to be trying to criminalize a person from a WA member state traveling to another nation (member state or not) and having sex with a person there who is younger than his home nation's age of consent, whatever that age of consent may be. The simple removal of "under the age of 18" would do it.

[Mousebumples]

I agree with my fellow ambassadors who have stated that this proposal is largely unnecessary. Different nations (and cultures) have differing ages of sexual consent for a reason. Additionally, I don't believe that using 18 (even if we were to make believe that all nations were populated with human people much like those that exist in Real Life) is the best idea. (OOC: Many states in the US, for example, have an age of sexual consent of 14 or 15 or 16.) Certainly, if sexual relations occur without consent, that is an issue that should be prosecuted. However, that is not at all what this proposal appears to be attempting to do.

Further, what if an individual travels from Nation A to Nation B? During their stay in Nation B< they decide to immigrate to Nation B. At what point when they no longer be considered a "traveler" but instead a resident of the new nation, with it's differing ages of sexual majority.

I'm afraid that this is an unnecessary proposal, as currently written.

Yours,
Ambassador Lizzy Hall
Leader of the Doctoral Monkey Feet of Mousebumples
WA Delegate for Monkey Island

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The Mind of Charlotte Ryberg feels that non-consensual sex is more of a serious issue, but unlike the opinions of some member states juvenile sex is banned in our country up to 17 years, which is the age of consent. The draft would start to run into a lot of problems because while some member states ban under-age sex, some don't.

[Quadrimmina]

I feel as though our resolution's intention is misconstrued. Pretend someone from Charlotte Ryberg (age of consent 17) goes to Quadrimmina (age of consent 14) to engage in sex acts with someone who is 15. This resolution would make it a crime in Charlotte Ryberg because although it's legal to do so, they subverted sex laws in Charlotte Ryberg.

And Quelesh's concern has been fixed, specific mention of age is removed.

Also, to Charlotte Ryberg, we feel as though most nations have sufficient protections concerning nonconsensual sex. However, we are willing to work with you to draft a proposal on that regard.

[Nullarni]

So let me get this straight, you are trying to make it illegal to go to another nation and do something perfectly legal there?

Ok, for a moment lets look past the ridiculousness of it and say this proposal gets passed, how would a nation enforce it? Would every nation have to send investigation teams to look into what each of their citizens are doing on foriegn soil?

I mean, you can't just ask the authorities in the other nation, because no one broke the law, according to the people of that nation, so it wouldn't be reported.

Or would you simply have every customs official ask every returning traveler, "Did you f--- anyone under the age of consent while you were gone?"

No, this is impossible to enforce. Plus, the idea of it is just silly.

Oh yeah, -5 points for the "its for the children" arguement.

[Freeoplis]

So under this legislation this Nation must prosecute and enforce this policy against anyone having sexual relations with someone but has come from another Nation which has a higher age of consent. Has the delegation considered how much time and resources this would take to enforce, not only do our police have to be concerned with enforcing our own National laws but they would have to take on and enforce every WA member's policy with regards the age of consent for sexual relations, this we feel is unworkable practically and therefore cannot support such a proposal.

[Quadrimmina]

So under this legislation this Nation must prosecute and enforce this policy against anyone having sexual relations with someone but has come from another Nation which has a higher age of consent. Has the delegation considered how much time and resources this would take to enforce, not only do our police have to be concerned with enforcing our own National laws but they would have to take on and enforce every WA member's policy with regards the age of consent for sexual relations, this we feel is unworkable practically and therefore cannot support such a proposal.

No. If a nation finds that someone goes to another nation to engage in sexual relations with someone for whom it'd be illegal to have sex with in their own nation, they are arrested and prosecuted in their home nation (with the higher consent) if that is ever found out.

[Of the Quendi]

How is the word "Minor" defined?

[Mariko Century]

While I think that this proposal would infringe upon the sovereignty of the nations affected, if it would spur nations to have higher standards in regards to protecting children from exploitation, then I would endorse such a proposal.

[Nullarni]

How is the word "Minor" defined?

Someone under the age of consent, or "the age of sexual majority" in a nation.

[Freeoplis]

So under this legislation this Nation must prosecute and enforce this policy against anyone having sexual relations with someone but has come from another Nation which has a higher age of consent. Has the delegation considered how much time and resources this would take to enforce, not only do our police have to be concerned with enforcing our own National laws but they would have to take on and enforce every WA member's policy with regards the age of consent for sexual relations, this we feel is unworkable practically and therefore cannot support such a proposal.

No. If a nation finds that someone goes to another nation to engage in sexual relations with someone for whom it'd be illegal to have sex with in their own nation, they are arrested and prosecuted in their home nation (with the higher consent) if that is ever found out.

But how would that ever be found out? if it's just left to chance that someone admits to it to the police then the scope of this proposal actually making a difference will be very limited, on the other hand if Nation's have to communicate with each other and follow up on where people go, what for and what they did while they were away this would be more effective but as already mentioned the resources needed to co ordinate it would be overwhelming.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I feel as though our resolution's intention is misconstrued. Pretend someone from Charlotte Ryberg (age of consent 17) goes to Quadrimmina (age of consent 14) to engage in sex acts with someone who is 15. This resolution would make it a crime in Charlotte Ryberg because although it's legal to do so, they subverted sex laws in Charlotte Ryberg.

And Quelesh's concern has been fixed, specific mention of age is removed.

Also, to Charlotte Ryberg, we feel as though most nations have sufficient protections concerning nonconsensual sex. However, we are willing to work with you to draft a proposal on that regard.

We do not mind a resolution regarding nonconsensual sex, it's just that it is not just for the children.

[Nullarni]

While I think that this proposal would infringe upon the sovereignty of the nations affected,

It would.

...if it would spur nations to have higher standards in regards to protecting children from exploitation, then I would endorse such a proposal.

It wouldn't.

[Quadrimmina]

So under this legislation this Nation must prosecute and enforce this policy against anyone having sexual relations with someone but has come from another Nation which has a higher age of consent. Has the delegation considered how much time and resources this would take to enforce, not only do our police have to be concerned with enforcing our own National laws but they would have to take on and enforce every WA member's policy with regards the age of consent for sexual relations, this we feel is unworkable practically and therefore cannot support such a proposal.

No. If a nation finds that someone goes to another nation to engage in sexual relations with someone for whom it'd be illegal to have sex with in their own nation, they are arrested and prosecuted in their home nation (with the higher consent) if that is ever found out.

But how would that ever be found out? if it's just left to chance that someone admits to it to the police then the scope of this proposal actually making a difference will be very limited, on the other hand if Nation's have to communicate with each other and follow up on where people go, what for and what they did while they were away this would be more effective but as already mentioned the resources needed to co ordinate it would be overwhelming.

I understand your position. I will try to refocus this act to a more easily enforceable doctrination, such as performing illicit sexual acts. Thank you for your input.

[Quadrimmina]

How is the word "Minor" defined?

Every nation has their own definition of "minor" and "sexual majority".

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I feel as though our resolution's intention is misconstrued. Pretend someone from Charlotte Ryberg (age of consent 17) goes to Quadrimmina (age of consent 14) to engage in sex acts with someone who is 15. This resolution would make it a crime in Charlotte Ryberg because although it's legal to do so, they subverted sex laws in Charlotte Ryberg.

And Quelesh's concern has been fixed, specific mention of age is removed.

Also, to Charlotte Ryberg, we feel as though most nations have sufficient protections concerning nonconsensual sex. However, we are willing to work with you to draft a proposal on that regard.

I'd probably investigate on a all-out ban on rape, honoured ambassador. I think such an idea might be better since rape knows no age barrier and everyone is vulnerable.

[Bears Armed]

But how would that ever be found out?

OOC: when the idiots concerned post boasts about their actions, possibly with photos, on some NS-multiverse equivalent of 'Livejournal' or 'Facebook' or 'Myspace' or even 'Youtube'...

[Quadrimmina]

The same way the PROTECT Act in the USA in RL is enforced.

[Mikedor]

The age of consent has been set in the other nation, so you would be effectively overriding their control over their own country if you were to prosecute for acts committed there.