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Postby Bergnovinaia » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:42 am

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Particle Accelerator Protocol

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RECOGNIZES the international community’s interest in the scientific knowledge potential gained through particle accelerators (PA’s);

DEFINES a particle accelerator as a device that accelerates electrically charged particles or sub-atomic particles to extremely fast speeds, usually for the purpose of inducing extremely high energy reactions or producing high levels of radiation;

NOTES that certain members of both the scientific and general community have speculation that these devices could potentially create black holes, the astronomical phenomenon known for having extremely destructive effects on all substances it comes into contact with;

REALIZES that this speculation, while not entirely false, is not probable since any black hole produced by the PA would be at such a microscopic level that it could do no damage to any substance;

ACKNOWLEDGES that the smashing of particles at speeds near the speed of light potentially has the ability to produce what is known as “anti-matter,” another astronomical phenomenon that is credited with destroying any other matter particles it comes into contact with;

CONCERNED that anti-matter, if it was to get into the wrong hands, could be extremely destructive on national and international scales;

HEREBY mandates the following:

1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.

2) Member nations must also take the following preventative measures to counter the potential in anti-matter terrorism:
a) National governments and private enterprises that use particle accelerators to produce anti-matter molecules must run thorough background checks on all employees and scientists that have potential access to anti-matter molecules produced and stored.
b) Nations and private enterprises have the right to determine who can and cannot work in the particle accelerator labs based on criminal records, qualifications, etc. but if anti-matter terrorism occurs because of an error in hiring, the nation that created the anti-matter will be held internationally responsible and may have to pay fines and retributions.
c) It is recommended that labs that produce anti-matter should use the highest security available to them to prevent anti-matter from be stolen and/or exploding inside the lab.
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:01 am

1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.
c) Devote a large portion of funding for particle accelerators to researching methods of destroying or containing black holes if and when one created in a particle collision stabilizes.


Sir, did you do the proper research on black holes? If you did not I would highly suggest that you consult your nearest astrophysicist and or the nearest scientific library on black holes as you cannot destroy black holes due to them consuming any form of energy that is radiated toward them.

<<OOC Note: Also if a Particle Accelerator actually managed to create a black hole it would EVAPORATE via Hawking radiation soon after formation, and due to it being created my two atomic nuceli, it would not have sufficient gravitational force to contain itself. It would also not harm anything or even devour anything due to the fact that the partyicle tube is held in a vacuum and is gigantic compared to the black hole. Also, if a SINGLE antiproton is formed then thjat particle would only reacte with A SINGLE PROTON and not really cause much damage, so you should do research on that too.>>
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:09 am

I find this draft quite hard to support because once a big black hole gets created we'd be in trouble. But personally I think the chance of a strangelet being artificiality created is very tiny to zero, which makes me think that in my opinion we may see no need for this draft, but in the end every eventuality needs to be addressed.

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:12 am

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.
c) Devote a large portion of funding for particle accelerators to researching methods of destroying or containing black holes if and when one created in a particle collision stabilizes.


Sir, did you do the proper research on black holes? If you did not I would highly suggest that you consult your nearest astrophysist and or the nearest scientific library on black holes as you cannot destroy black holes due to them consuming any form of energy that is radiated toward them.


So are you saying get rid of clause c...?
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:14 am

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.
c) Devote a large portion of funding for particle accelerators to researching methods of destroying or containing black holes if and when one created in a particle collision stabilizes.


Sir, did you do the proper research on black holes? If you did not I would highly suggest that you consult your nearest astrophysist and or the nearest scientific library on black holes as you cannot destroy black holes due to them consuming any form of energy that is radiated toward them.

<<OOC Note: Also if a Particle Accelerator actually managed to create a black hole it would EVAPORATE via Hawking radiation soon after formation, and due to it being created my two atomic nuceli, it would not have sufficient gravitational force to contain itself. It would also not harm anything or even devour anything due to the fact that the partyicle tube is held in a vacuum and is gigantic compared to the black hole..>>


OOC: But keep in mind, that is all speculation and your version could be correct, or the "OMG! Black hole stabalized!" version could be correct.

The goal of this was more actually to prevent anti-matter terrorism but I decided to throw in the black hole part.
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:16 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:
The Emmerian Unions wrote:
1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.
c) Devote a large portion of funding for particle accelerators to researching methods of destroying or containing black holes if and when one created in a particle collision stabilizes.


Sir, did you do the proper research on black holes? If you did not I would highly suggest that you consult your nearest astrophysicist and/or the nearest scientific library on black holes as you cannot destroy black holes due to them consuming any form of energy that is radiated toward them.


So are you saying get rid of clause c...?


Yeah, as the black holes would cease to exsist due to evaporation.


<<EDIT: IMPORTANT NOTE: I am in no way an astrophysicist or particle physicist in Real Life and therefore my comments should not be taken as Word of Science Master. I have just read up and done research on this stuff in my own spare time.>>
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Postby Neutonica » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:07 pm

"What is a black hole?" Dr Corrigan reclined to ask his assistant.
"I think it's some kind of space thing, sir," replied Thompson.
"Is that right?"
"Yes, sir. Unfortunately, we're too poor to be interested in space, sir. So, this act has no real meaning for us."
"Hmm. By the way, I thought all holes were black."
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Postby Nullarni » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:12 pm

Interesting. I suppose that a blackhole would be an international situation, so you could justify legislation to handle such a situation... The same would have to be said about antimatter being created and stolen... I currently have no opinion on the matter, but I assure you I will watch this carefully and see how it plays out.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:12 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:
The Emmerian Unions wrote:
1) All member nations that now or in the future have PA’s must take the following safety precautions to prevent large black holes from developing:
a) Ensure that if black holes develop during the collision of particles that the conditions in the lab where they were created are proper so the black hole vaporizes itself due to intense heat produced.
b) Monitor black holes produced during a particle smashing so if they aren’t instantly destroyed, they cannot simply leave the lab and be sucked towards the nearest and largest gravitational mass.
c) Devote a large portion of funding for particle accelerators to researching methods of destroying or containing black holes if and when one created in a particle collision stabilizes.


Sir, did you do the proper research on black holes? If you did not I would highly suggest that you consult your nearest astrophysicist and/or the nearest scientific library on black holes as you cannot destroy black holes due to them consuming any form of energy that is radiated toward them.


So are you saying get rid of clause c...?


Yeah, as the black holes would cease to exsist due to evaporation.


<<EDIT: IMPORTANT NOTE: I am in no way an astrophysicist or particle physicist in Real Life and therefore my comments should not be taken as Word of Science Master. I have just read up and done research on this stuff in my own spare time.>>


OOC: Ok... I'm not one either, but as you can probably tell, I did more research into the speculation side.
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:24 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:OOC: Ok... I'm not one either, but as you can probably tell, I did more research into the speculation side.


<<OOC: Speculation can be a very dangerous thing so it's generally wise to stay away from it as it can lead to very bad science.>>
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Postby Krioval » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:25 pm

This is an utter waste of time. I am unaware of any evidence of the creation of black holes, micro or otherwise, from accelerator research. Why should the Assembly worry about vanishingly small possibilities of black holes and the use of antimatter technology in warfare when nations are allowed to create and deploy nuclear weapons? Simple answer: we shouldn't. Besides, we'll do with our home planet as we wish.

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Postby Freeoplis » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:33 pm

We neither have the time or the patience to try and understand what this proposal is seeking to remedy, is this an actual issue across WA nations? we currently don't have in our possession the relevant technology to create the dangers this legislation seeks to protect against, it is therefore unnecessary and we cannot therefore lend our support.
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Postby Quadrimmina » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:34 pm

Our nation, being a pioneer of particle accelerator technology, does not support this draft in the slightest, we are sorry to say. It is part of national security policy to keep the possibility of creating a deadly black hole on the table as a means of negotiating with other nations.
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Postby Fedeledland » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:39 pm

This would extremely slow down our chemical and physical developments. I go against it.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:09 pm

Quadrimmina wrote:Our nation, being a pioneer of particle accelerator technology, does not support this draft in the slightest, we are sorry to say. It is part of national security policy to keep the possibility of creating a deadly black hole on the table as a means of negotiating with other nations.


OOC: But creating a black hole in your nation would destroy your nation... :blink:
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:59 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:
Quadrimmina wrote:Our nation, being a pioneer of particle accelerator technology, does not support this draft in the slightest, we are sorry to say. It is part of national security policy to keep the possibility of creating a deadly black hole on the table as a means of negotiating with other nations.


OOC: But creating a black hole in your nation would destroy your nation... :blink:


<<OOC: Berg, that's what happens when you do speculation side and not actual science side. In order to have a black hole be of sufficent mass to acttually pose a problem it has to be at about 8 solar masses(in RL) and you can only get that by an 8 solar mass star going super nova, and the energy released there is FAR, FAR, FAR more then what can be produced in a particle accelerator.>>
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:29 am

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:
Quadrimmina wrote:Our nation, being a pioneer of particle accelerator technology, does not support this draft in the slightest, we are sorry to say. It is part of national security policy to keep the possibility of creating a deadly black hole on the table as a means of negotiating with other nations.


OOC: But creating a black hole in your nation would destroy your nation... :blink:


<<OOC: Berg, that's what happens when you do speculation side and not actual science side. In order to have a black hole be of sufficent mass to acttually pose a problem it has to be at about 8 solar masses(in RL) and you can only get that by an 8 solar mass star going super nova, and the energy released there is FAR, FAR, FAR more then what can be produced in a particle accelerator.>>


Well, I did do some research (I suppose) by watching the history channel last night and the people they interviewed said that for a black hole to do significant damage to the earth (like completely obliterate it but its pieces would still fall back in on each other), it would only have to weigh about the same as the earth (and based on the density of black holes, that means it would only have to be about 9 mm across, or about the size of a small marble).
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:34 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:Well, I did do some research (I suppose) by watching the history channel last night and the people they interviewed said that for a black hole to do significant damage to the earth (like completely obliterate it but its pieces would still fall back in on each other), it would only have to weigh about the same as the earth (and based on the density of black holes, that means it would only have to be about 9 mm across, or about the size of a small marble).


<<OOC: But you can't get a black hole that massive even if you use the heaviest element known that doesn't shift into something else after a few seconds.>>
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Can we also ban dividing by zero, due to the risk to reality that is inherent in that? ;)
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:Can we also ban dividing by zero, due to the risk to reality that is inherent in that? ;)

That would be silly, honoured ambassador. Apparently we divided by zero before, but now the calculator is still finding a solution had we not switched it off due to boredom in late 2009.

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Postby Axis Nova » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:36 pm

Particle accelerators don't work that way.

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Postby Novus Niciae » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:10 pm

The storage requirements for anti-matter are so difficult to fill that they would be beyond the reach of a terrorist organization.
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Postby West Newmanistan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:22 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Can we also ban dividing by zero, due to the risk to reality that is inherent in that? ;)


But isn't this what happened to Dancougar, though? We should be concerned!
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Postby Hirota » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:34 am

Bergnovinaia wrote:NOTES that certain members of both the scientific and general community have speculation that these devices could potentially create black holes, the astronomical phenomenon known for having extremely destructive effects on all substances it comes into contact with;
My government remains unconvinced that idle speculation, no...scaremongering is grounds for legislation.

CONCERNED that anti-matter, if it was to get into the wrong hands, could be extremely destructive on national and international scales;
Fair enough, but so is nuclear or biological materials - I can see the WA legislating on that (and we've tried in the past), but that's international security more than education and creativity IMO.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:11 am

Hirota wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:NOTES that certain members of both the scientific and general community have speculation that these devices could potentially create black holes, the astronomical phenomenon known for having extremely destructive effects on all substances it comes into contact with;
My government remains unconvinced that idle speculation, no...scaremongering is grounds for legislation.

CONCERNED that anti-matter, if it was to get into the wrong hands, could be extremely destructive on national and international scales;
Fair enough, but so is nuclear or biological materials - I can see the WA legislating on that (and we've tried in the past), but that's international security more than education and creativity IMO.


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